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My nation and I agree 100% with the fact that dictatorships should be removed from every nation of this planet. The Democratic Republic Of Studium recognize and acknowledge the great threat dictatorships may be if we try and oppose them but as a democratic country I feel it is our duty to but everything we have on the line to save those oppressed by evil dictators. In my seperate post concerning a new South Pacific UN delegate I tackle the issue of evil and propose a total eradication of it. If you endorse me, I may hopefully become the new South Pacific UN delegate and therefore will be able to have more of an impact on things that really matter. In the long term, together we may one day restore Earth to the peaceful, beautiful place it once was, and allow all to freely enjoy this planet without fear of oppression because of race, religion, creed, sex, beliefs from any dictator or dictatorship. Let us come together and win the war against evil.

In hope,
President Pitt
The Democratic Republic Of Studium

My nation and I agree 100% with the fact that dictatorships should be removed from every nation of this planet. The Democratic Republic Of Studium recognize and acknowledge the great threat dictatorships may be if we try and oppose them but as a democratic country I feel it is our duty to but everything we have on the line to save those oppressed by evil dictators. In my seperate post concerning a new South Pacific UN delegate I tackle the issue of evil and propose a total eradication of it. If you endorse me, I may hopefully become the new South Pacific UN delegate and therefore will be able to have more of an impact on things that really matter. In the long term, together we may one day restore Earth to the peaceful, beautiful place it once was, and allow all to freely enjoy this planet without fear of oppression because of race, religion, creed, sex, beliefs from any dictator or dictatorship. Let us come together and win the war against evil.

In hope,
President Pitt
The Democratic Republic Of Studium

hint hint, if you want to be delegate of the south pacific, a lot of people who you want to endorse you will be dictatorships, so ejecting them won't be too clever, just some advice

If you are telling people that they have no choice but to be democratic....aren't you being a dictator, yourself? Perhaps, rather than see something as evil and completely wrong, why don't you look at 1) Does that type of government work? 2) Why do you hate dictatorships, and 3) Yourself. Chances are you might want to rethink some things.

Why are dictatorships not bad? 1) A dictator is the most well-informed person in his country, therefore is it not logical that he be in charge of making all of the decisions? 2) Rather than waste time arguing, debating, and voting to give themselves raises, a dictator gets things done, because if you want something done right, do it yourself. 3) The people have shown that without strong leadership, someone to show them the way, they flounder, squabble amongst themselves, and the situation rapidly deteriorates into a Lord of the Flies situation. Dictators can be very strong leaders, and they can provide the guidance that people need.

So, perhaps you should either explain yourself, or remove the rose-tinted viewing glass from in front of you.

-Kusanagi Noakusei

Just encase you missed it.

My nation and I agree 100% with the fact that dictatorships should be removed from every nation of this planet.
My people don’t.

The Democratic Republic Of Studium recognize and acknowledge the great threat dictatorships may be if we try and oppose them but as a democratic country I feel it is our duty to but everything we have on the line to save those oppressed by evil dictators.
Evil is a relative term. I assume you mean those dictators that harm the people of their nation, not all dictators do that.

In my seperate post concerning a new South Pacific UN delegate I tackle the issue of evil and propose a total eradication of it.
I believe it is impossible to eradicate evil because while you may see dictators as evil, they may think the same of you. Evil is a relative term.

If you endorse me, I may hopefully become the new South Pacific UN delegate and therefore will be able to have more of an impact on things that really matter.
I don’t quite see how this is relevant, perhaps because I am not in the south pacific.

In the long term, together we may one day restore Earth to the peaceful, beautiful place it once was, Some UN nations don’t exist on earth.

and allow all to freely enjoy this planet without fear of oppression because of race, religion, creed, sex, beliefs from any dictator or dictatorship. Like in my nation for example.

Desdemona,
UN representative for The Black New World.



Desdemona,
UN representative for The Black New World.

Aren't we all dictatorships? After all, we all decide on issues wthout consulting any elected body. There is no judiciary to say whether our actions are legal. If someone decides on an issue, that decision is the law and there is no debate. Why should it matter whether people have the right to vote, if I'm the only one who makes decisions in my country, and I know that no matter what I do, I cannot be thrown out of office.

Funny my little friend. You want to rid the world of all Dictatorships, yet you place your focus on evil dictatorships.

My nation has lasted this long as a Dictatorship and I have not had any problems, therefore, I do not see what is the problem. Technically, my entire region is like a large Dictatorship, with me as the leader.

It is not bad at all. I just think you really need to think things out a little more. Dictatorships are probable, if run the correct way.

The last vestiges of our government are melting away and we are only years from being a truely anarchist. We deplore dictatorships.

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Democracy is a threat to international stability. Too often are the workings of government hindered by bureaucratic red tape.

In some instances, the nation could be invaded and you have to wait until all the votes of the people say, yes, getting invaded is a bad thing. By that time, it may be too late.

What a dictatorship provides is immediate response to any threat.

We don't have any government red tape because we don't have any government. Voluntary action is important here and if we are invaded, someone could easily volunteer to defend us. If they don't, there's a good reason for it, most likely that we would lose anyway.

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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.
The state only exists to serve itself.
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic
of attractive women.

Your proposal is sickening! Don't you see how you have succumbed to hipocrisy?!? By implementing a pseudo-fascist law such as the one you have proposed, you are diminishing world leader's freedom of choice! Aside from this, you are under the assumption that all marxist dictatorships are evil, a bit presumptuous don't you think? It is my business, and my business alone how I chose to rule my country. As long as genocide is not being commited, I don't see how it is your problem.

They are all evil. There's a good reason that the Q!áãsò name for Satan and Stalin is the same, Їòõtsìmi.

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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.
The state only exists to serve itself.
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic
of attractive women.

My good man. You obviously don't know the power of dictatorships these days. You believe that dictatorships oppress all. Yes they to, to an extent. Many oppress the small things such as religion and the such. I would like to oppress the lower class from my other subject topic I started some time ago. Dictatorships, in fact, are quite powerful. Why? Here's why:
1. Giving an educated person power and combined with his or her ideas, he or she will be able to position the government to work at maximum efficency.
2. Oppressing the lower class will produce more products and moeny, thus, having a better economy.
3. Look at Hitler. People did not like him. Why? He became too powerful, too fast. Also about killing 6.5 million Jews. That's was his fatal mistake, but he needed an idea to get support from the lower class. (On a lighter note no conserning the game, mass killing like that is totally wrong.)
4. Power is good for with power comes money.

You want to return the Earth to a peaceful state right? Then, the smart people must rid of all those without an education. THose people who become smart become the leader of a dictatorship and will use its power wisely because dictatorships are hard to rule.

Peace comes at a cost. Beauty comes at a cost. Might as well be the cost of those nations that have no government and those nations that allow everyone to run around free with no law or rules for them to abide to.

The state and social classes are both wrong. Your argument falls flat.

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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.
The state only exists to serve itself.
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic
of attractive women.

We strongly agree with Studium! Dictatorships should be completely removed from the World or at the very least the UN. They completly contridict the purpose of the UN, a Democratic joining of nations. Why should countrys that do not even support Democracy and rule with an iron fist be allowed in such a Democratic gathering of Nations?

What about Constitutional Monarchies? My new nation needs a strong government to maintain order and for defense from hostile nations looking for weak nations to pounce on. Or even spread propoganda to get weak governments overthrown. Our economy and industry is flourishing for a nation our size. Our corporations need defense from left-wingers who would vote to end most of our economic freedom. I would not agree to joining the United Nations if I had to adopt strange democratic ideas.

I dare you.

Fuck that, I double dare you.

Hehehe, I get confused easily, I was typing my response while doing homework.

Why don't you come and try to remove me from power big mouth?
I will crush you like one of my subjects. :twisted:

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Why don't you come and try to remove me from power big mouth?
I will crush you like one of my subjects. :twisted:

Shall we team up and invade him? :twisted:

(I had a nice little chart here but it didn't show up right when I posted it, but it basically compared you to Hitler)

So you are no better than Hitler. He at least had proof, albeit falsified science, but proof nonetheless. You have a groundless arguement against dictatorships, narrowed down to pro-democracy emotive drivel. Get me one piece of evidence that 100% (hell I'll give you 90%) of dictatorships are "evil". Also, define evil. My dictatorship strongly enforces Roman Catholic morals with a high percentage of believers. How can I be evil? Except in the eyes of a zealot of some other faith, convinced that we are all heretical blasphemers. My people's only oppresion comes from illegalization of voting and a horrible tax burden. I have a secure system. The people have freedom of expression, religion (somewhat). They have security because of a well funded police system, and I keep the rich from becoming too rich. Tell me, what is so evil about my government? Is it because I don't allow voting? What then would happen if my dynasty lives on for several generations, producing a people who have never known democracy, as is the situation in the parts of the Middle East freed from oppressive regimes by the U.S.? If they do not know they could choose how their government is run, is it wrong for them to not want it changed?

Roman Catholics like you are people that give Roman Catholics like me a bad name. :evil:

The state and social classes are both wrong. Your argument falls flat.
Why are they wrong?

If you have to ask that, you're not as smart as you think you are.

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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.
The state only exists to serve itself.
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic
of attractive women.

If you have to ask that, you're not as smart as you think you are.
Probably not, so why don’t you enlighten me?

Desdemona,
UN representative for The Black New World.

Simply put, why should someone have 10 million dollars and do nothing to earn it. They just inherit it.

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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.
The state only exists to serve itself.
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic
of attractive women.

Simply put, why should someone have 10 million dollars and do nothing to earn it. They just inherit it.

That assumes that all dictators are born into power, this in not necessarily true.

Dictators actually do work. They look after the country for the people and they should be rewarded for doing their job.

As for people who are not in power but where born into money, why should we punish them for something they have no control over? One of there ancestors worked hard for that money and position so his descendants would have something.

Desdemona,
UN representative,
The Back New World

The solution to that unearned wealth isn't to confiscate it. It's to move to a new system. Dictators take away freedom. Don't you value your freedom to support an unpopular government? You'd lose that in a dictatorship.

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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.
The state only exists to serve itself.
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic
of attractive women.

This kind of talk will instigate a coup d'etat, then you will have even more unnecessary blood shed in the name of politics.

Simply put, why should someone have 10 million dollars and do nothing to earn it. They just inherit it.

That assumes that all dictators are born into power, this in not necessarily true.

Dictators actually do work. They look after the country for the people and they should be rewarded for doing their job.
Excactly!!! What? You thought those death warrants just sign themselves?

They kick people around and treat them like dirt. They have been known to execute millions without a trial and in a brutal fasion.

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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.
The state only exists to serve itself.
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic
of attractive women.

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Hmmmmm, interesting, but allow me to shed another light on this. First, I wish to state that the Commonwealth of the Pure Existence is indeed, a dictatorship in the most literal sense. Political freedoms do not exist. However, I am working towards improvement of everyone's civil freedom. With that said, allow me to make a few notes.

1. Dictatorships are not inherantly evil. Corrupt leaders make them that way. While I remove certain dissenters and condemn them to incineration, the vast majority of society is protected and agrees with me on policy. They do so truly and honestly without rule by fear. All of us understand the need for unity, and our society lives peacefully. We all work together to better our nation in every way.

2. Why are democracies better? In a democracy, corruption is allowed to run unchecked. It's more about who can get into what place of power to promote their own personal agenda. They make empty promises to lure the populace into voting for them. Why should these people who generally do not care about the people, who care not for bettering society, be the ones who attain power?

3. Many voters don't truly understand the process and elect their leaders without really knowing what the leaders will do. What's worse is those who brainlessly vote along party lines regardless of what the candidate stands for. Is this what you mean by promoting democracy?

4. In my nation, there is little to fear. Crime is non existant for the most part, we are clean, well organized, and unified in our goals. What about you?

Yours,
Maestro Proteus
Progenitor and Caretaker of the Commonwealth of the Pure Existence

Dictatorships have little difference than so called democracies. The only notable difference, is that violent dictatorships suppress the masses through violence. Democracies suppress the masses by controlling thought, by limiting information. And besides this, there are such manifestations as benevolent and wise dictators. Sometimes the people need a leader, and that is when the leader comes to decide what will happen. Some men understand what the people need, and give it to them. On the matter of supposed brutality, a dictatorship or a so called "free nation" often commit similar atrocities. Henry Kissinger or Ariel Sharon are just as great of mass murderers as Saddam Hussein or Suharto. Harry Truman admired Josef Stalin, the examples are many. This hypocrisy and singling out of rulers that blatantly dictate happenings, instead of the ones that secretly dictate happenings, is absurd, unfounded, and hypocritical.

A certain user here has suggested that the United States has freed Middle Easterners from oppressive regimes. This is completely false. One can cite plenty of examples in the Middle East alone:

Saddam Hussein was long an ally of the U.S. And so was the Ba'ath Party itself. The U.S. encouraged the Ba'ath to seize power in Iraq, and it did. The Ba'ath subsequently executed all opposition, among them the Communist Party, much to the delight of the U.S. In fact, the reason the Ba'ath of Iraq and Syria fell out, was because the Ba'ath wanted a Pro-West policy. And Saddam himself was given U.S. support, although not because the U.S. actually liked him. They did in many ways undermine him, while supporting his mass atrocities. This action helped cause maximum damage against the population. One of the notable methods used to achieve this, was demonstrated in the Iran/Iraq War. This can be summed up in the words of Henry Kissinger: "I hope they kill each other" The conflict started with the Iranian revolution, and the removal of the Shah, who we will discuss more about. Ayatollah Khomeini openly defied the U.S., and encouraged Shiites in Iraq to rebel against Saddam Hussein. The U.S. saw this as having great potential, and so "President Carter gave the Iraqi's a green light to launch the war against Iran through Fahd." This is quoting released documents on the matter from Ronald Reagan's first Secretary of State, Alexander Haig. ( http://www.consortiumnews.com/2003/haig-docs.html ) And indeed, on August 5, 1980, Saddam Hussein was invited to Saudi Arabia, and spoke to Fahd. And on September 22 of that same year, Saddam invaded Iran. The U.S. pledged support to Iraq, and its companies sold all sorts of weapons to Iraq, including chemical weapons. These facts are incredibly uncontroversial, one can read about them in sources such as the Washington Post.( http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&node=&contentId=A52241-2002Dec29¬Found=true ) Saddam was known for using chemical weapons quite often. But of course, the U.S.' policy wasn't so one-sided. They began secretly giving weapons to Iran in 1983. Henry Kissinger's words in the making. And by the end of this war, over a million people were dead. Iraq had suffered considerable devastation, with its military in large ruins, its economy crippled, and it having large debts. Rebellions in Iraq occured afterwards. They were quickly and violently suppressed. But a very significant event happened in 1988. Saddam Hussein gassed Kurds at Halabja. This was considered a horrendous crime around the world, and the U.N. tried to implement resolutions that condemned these atrocities. But the resolutions were never passed, because the U.S. and Britain vetoed them. And the flow of weapons to Iraq continued after this crime. And the flow continued until Saddam made a mistake. He invaded Kuwait. This was not without permission from his buddies in the White House though. Saddam consulted Bush's administration on the matter of attacking Kuwait. He was informed by the State Department that they had "no special defense or security commitments to Kuwait." Furthermore, U.S. Ambassador April Glaspie told Saddam that "we have no opinion on the Arab-Arab conflicts, like your border disagreement with Kuwait." And so Saddam invaded Kuwait, and had relative control over it. But a strange thing happened. The U.S. condemned this invasion. This must have worried Saddam, so he told the U.S. he would be willing to withdraw from Kuwait if Iraq was given consideration in the Israeli/Palestinian conflict and dealing with the problems of Weapons of Mass Destruction. The U.S. didn't like this, or even the idea of negotiation of any kind, and refused. Kuwait and Iraq both came under attack from the U.S., killing 200,000 in the process, and driving Iraqi forces out of Kuwait. Saddam Hussein was a vicious dictator, he killed thousands of people, so perhaps the U.S. could now liberate the people of Iraq? Not quite. Following this attack, the U.S. pressured the U.N. to implement sanctions against Iraq. And the U.S. on its own, began launching weekly bombings of Iraq, which continue today. According to U.N. estimates, the sanctions cost the lives of 500,000 children. Saddam Hussein was also prevented from providing the people of Iraq with a decent healthcare, shelter, and education.(Which he had previously done.) That 500,000 figure is only based on the effects the sanctions had on supplies for births. This figure does not count the deaths from starvation by the loss of money from Iraq, the people killed in the bombing campaigns, the people that died from not having shelter or healthcare which they previously had, or the babies with birth defects from the chemical weapons used in Desert Storm. And now, after this mass slaughter of Iraqi's, the U.S. has invaded Iraq, supposedly to liberate it. This of course only increased the deaths of people in Iraq.

The Shah of Iran was mentioned earlier. He was a strong ally of the U.S. Well, he wasn't exactly well liked by Iranians, his oil shipments were not nationalized, and helped the British, and not the people of Iran. This changed dramatically, the democratically elected Prime Minister of Iran, Mohammad Mossadeq nationalized the oil industry. And the Shah, who didn't agree with these policies, ended up fleeing from Iran. Mohammand Mossadegh was not a dictator, or a mass murderer. He was loved by the people, and his policies were meant to benefit them. The U.S. saw a potential advantage to this, and they quickly overthrew him, while driving secular and democratic movements out of the country, torturing some of them. The Shah was invited back into Iran, and the oil was no longer nationalized. But the private benefits were longer British, but changed to benefits for the U.S. oil companies. And so the brutal rule of the Shah continued until 1979. The same man, was overthrown in that year, and the Islamic fundamentalist Ayatollah Khomeini ruled Iran. He nationalized the oil industry, but unlike Mossadegh, he was brutal and was not secular or democratic. And so one brutal ruler was replaced by another, all because the U.S. overthrew Mossadegh.

These are just two examples. But one could go on. Israel has long driven Palestinians from their homes, murdered and tortured many of them, while also illegally annexing territories, while devastating the inhabitants of them.

Or Turkey, in 1984 the Turkish military launched a massive campaign against the Kurdish population, which killed tens of thousands, destroyed over 3,500 towns and villages, and left others in prisons, where they were tortured. 1984 also just so happened to be the year U.S. aid to Turkey went up, making it the leading recipient of U.S. aid, outside of the seperate category.(Which is Israel and Egypt) The U.S. aid continued at this height until 1999. The Clinton administration gave about 80% of the arms used against the Kurds. And it went up as atrocities increased, peaking in 1997. In 1997, U.S. aid to Turkey was higher than in the entire 1950-1953 period.

The case is similar in Afghanistan, when a nationalist government was formed, there became a sudden need for U.S. intervention. And so in 1979, the CIA began training a large number of Islamic radicals, who were also largely drug dealers, from Saudi Arabia, Egypt, and other places, brough into Afghanistan. The point of this was to lure the Soviet Union into Afghanistan, as Jimmy Carter's National Security Advisor Zbigniew Brzezinski quite proudly proclaims.( http://www.counterpunch.org/brzezinski.html ) Reagan compared these men to the founding fathers. One of the actions during the war with Russia from these radicals, was the blowing up of a school in Russia. The Russians were driven out, and some of the radicals overthrew the government of Afghanistan, forming the Taliban. Others who were with Osama bin Laden, carried out operations in Bosnia, Chechnya, China, Kashmir, the U.S., and other places. One of their famous acts was the assassination of Sadat of Egypt. Speaking of the Taliban, from 2000-2001 the U.S. had given them $245,000,000. After September 11, they became enemies, and one of the first acts of the U.S. after the hijacking, was to demand from Pakistan "the elimination of truck convoys that provide much of the food and other supplies to Afghanistan's civilian population." This is quoting the New York Times. ( http://cndyorks.gn.apc.org/news/articles/pakistan.htm ) After trying to implement mass starvation on the population of Afghanistan, they invaded it, using all sorts of indiscriminate methods such as carpet bombings and the usage of daisy cutters. They installed the Karzai regime, and women still had not been granted equal rights. In fact, the treatment of women became worse. There were large amounts of rapes happening in Afghanistan since the overthrow of the Taliban. ( http://web.amnesty.org/library/eng-afg/index ) This is because the Taliban had quite brutally punished rapists, while the new regime could not control the population. The Karzai regime was also unable to control thieves, who were now roaming the land unpunished, killing journalists and others. And Afghanistan is still in chaos, completely uncontrollable for the regime.

One could continue giving examples, such as the U.S.' support of brutal regimes like Saudi Arabia and Pakistan, its terrorism against Libya and Sudan, but it is quite clear that the U.S. has done the opposite of upholding freedom and democracy in the Middle East.

It is clear that 'democracies' are just as brutal as dictatorships.

this probably belongs in general and i'm sure my response probably does. at any rate...

dictatorships (and absolute monarchies, i'm not sure what if anything is the difference, other then dictatorships generaly denying that they are) CAN actualy be more free then democracies. as history has amply deomonstrated this is not very explative explative likely, but at least in principal they can.
most people would rather pretend to be free then alow each other reall freedoms they themselves do not see eye to eye with.
history has also tended to demonstrate that as well.
still the redeaming quality of democracy is that it gives you something you can do about the freedoms you don't have. this is a security blanket i would not throw out with the bath water for all the tea in china.
at least until something better comes along
and dictatorship by any name ain't no way that something

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All states are evil, but dictatorships are the most evil. All states are inherently evil as they form inherently evil social classes. In Letila, people do things voluntarily and do things because they make sense, not because of death threats.

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The state only exists to serve itself.
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic
of attractive women.

All states are evil, but dictatorships are the most evil. All states are inherently evil as they form inherently evil social classes. In Letila, people do things voluntarily and do things because they make sense, not because of death threats.

So if all states are evil, does that mean that Letila is an evil state?

Letila isn't a state. It's a federation of anarchist communes.

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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.
The state only exists to serve itself.
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic
of attractive women.

The Commonwealth of WARhamster is not a member of the United Nations but strogly disagrees with your statement, Dictatorships are very effective at getting results for econimic , health, education and military results for a country. aslo were in the middle of a goverment over-throw at the moment so i... i mean the rebels will er....agree. to this....once they..er....gain.....legal.....er entry to the er...country...yes..yes....ok :twisted:

At last, a proposal to end the discrimination this thread's originator supports!

The all-new "Political Nonintervention" proposal!
Do you and you alone know what's best for your people?
Want to run your country the way you see fit?
Tired of whiny democracies breathing down your neck?
Sick of trotting out the tanks every three months just to run down the international protestors calling you names like "fascist pig"?
Then support the new UN proposal, "Political Nonintervention"! It gives you the freedom to eliminate freedoms!

Remember, Regional Delegates, that's "Political Nonintervention". Ask for it by name. :D
A quality product of the Sensible Evil Empire. All rights extinguished.

My nation and I agree 100% with the fact that dictatorships should be removed from every nation of this planet. The Democratic Republic Of Studium recognize and acknowledge the great threat dictatorships may be if we try and oppose them but as a democratic country I feel it is our duty to but everything we have on the line to save those oppressed by evil dictators. In my seperate post concerning a new South Pacific UN delegate I tackle the issue of evil and propose a total eradication of it. If you endorse me, I may hopefully become the new South Pacific UN delegate and therefore will be able to have more of an impact on things that really matter. In the long term, together we may one day restore Earth to the peaceful, beautiful place it once was, and allow all to freely enjoy this planet without fear of oppression because of race, religion, creed, sex, beliefs from any dictator or dictatorship. Let us come together and win the war against evil.

In hope,
President Pitt
The Democratic Republic Of Studium

Oh sure, why not throw out Communists too?

Hell, lets get rid of everyone that isnt a Capitolizt Democracy while we're at it. That'll be realistic.

You have to accept the fact that nations have various forms of government, and live with it.

Government Shmovernment :P

Dictators take away freedom. Don't you value your freedom to support an unpopular government? You'd lose that in a dictatorship.
Not necessarily, our people are free to support us or not as they see fit.We always like to know the oppinions of our people and we greatly appreciate constructive criticism; after all we are working for them.

Desdemona,
UN representative,
The Back New World

In the long term, together we may one day restore Earth to the peaceful, beautiful place it once was, and allow all to freely enjoy this planet without fear of oppression because of race, religion, creed, sex, beliefs from any dictator or dictatorship. Let us come together and win the war against evil.

Erm... if you want to return this planet to a peaceful state with no oppression then you ought to not oppress the dictators and declare war on them... otherwise you are doing exactly what you claim you are fighting. It scares me to think what would happen if some people actually became politicians...

I laugh heartedly at your proposition, and also at the fool leader, Letila.

The superiority of a powerful state over your Anarchisitc, primitive and stagant country aside, do you, and your people of cavemen think you can stand against the might of all totalitarian states, let alone one?

I doubt your wretched excuse for civilians could stand against our passionate, eager people!

If anything, we should liberate your people, and set them on the path of evolution!

~ UN Ambassador for Terrastralis and her people, Nicholas Ballare.

While I do agree that dictatorships can be dangerous (I'm being a hypocrite here, je sais) I hardly see a need to abolish them unless they become a threat to you. For example, myself; my nation is classified as Father Knows Best (I do protest, it should be Mother Knows Best) and am therefore a dictator. This is only because I'm applying what I believe are morally decent laws. (That and I also didn't realize how extreme the results of some issues can be). However, I would like to point out one thing; if people don't like the way I run my country, they can leave. Yet, the population seems to be on a rise. Funny. Now, since I am new, decisions have not been made available that would change my country's political standing. I did not and do not intend on being a dictator. However, if that is what I am classified simply because I think differently of how I should run my country (yes, MY country) then so be it. My people can do whatever they want for as long as it is within the scopes of decendy and law. So, would you punish my nation for attempting to do what we think is best?

Empress Jerneja
Empire of Yukata

Dictatorships are for people who want to have
1. A booming economy
2. gigantic military
3. Either a monopoly or oligopoly on certain goods in the world, (to an extent).

Dictatorships bring power. Yes, power is evil, if used incorrectly. Yes, dictatorships are evil because they oppress most of the time, but think of the positive sides.
1. Money
1. Power (because with money comes power and with power comes money)
2. Military superiority

Hey Dark Cow, you forgot, dictatorships (competent ones) bring stability. What is more stable than a country run by a single person who is backed by the entire military? He can decide what is best, he has the power to enforce that, and a huge crowd of people with guns aren't to be disagreed with by the work force. As for Letila, who cares what he says? Seeing as Letila (the country) is basically anarchist, I'm surprised he has a spokesperson, and my assumption is the 'spokesperson' is just a random person who walked in to the wrong building, while looking for a bathroom. A region, divided such as that, could never stand up against an organized and well-trained military. Think of the Spartans versus the Persians. 300 Spartans, 20,000+ Persians (my numbers probably are wrong, but you get the picture...that history channel special was awhile ago, in my defense). Unorganized masses stand no chance at fighting a cohesive military unit. The same thing is generally true in debates, too. A bunch of random arguments, like someone saying states and classes are bad, thus your argument falls flat, is useless against a well-thought out statement, and should be disregarded as such.

My good man. You obviously don't know the power of dictatorships these days. You believe that dictatorships oppress all. Yes they to, to an extent. Many oppress the small things such as religion and the such. I would like to oppress the lower class from my other subject topic I started some time ago. Dictatorships, in fact, are quite powerful. Why? Here's why:
1. Giving an educated person power and combined with his or her ideas, he or she will be able to position the government to work at maximum efficency.

How do you ensure that he is capable or even if he is, how he will not be corrupted a la Robespierre?

2. Oppressing the lower class will produce more products and moeny, thus, having a better economy.

LoL. That is the most laughable statement I've ever heard. Dictatorships are some of the weakest economies on Earth. The ONLY dictatorship with a statistically significant economy is China, and that country is making steps to democracy. There is not a SINGLE country with a per capita income above $12,000 that isn't a democracy. The reason's simple, money leads to liberty and vice versa.

3. Look at Hitler. People did not like him. Why? He became too powerful, too fast. Also about killing 6.5 million Jews. That's was his fatal mistake, but he needed an idea to get support from the lower class. (On a lighter note no conserning the game, mass killing like that is totally wrong.)

The fact that he was evil might have had something to do with it too.

4. Power is good for with power comes money.

And, with the exception of China, every dictatorship on Earth is pathetic. North Korea, the strongest dictatorship other than China militarily, earns more revenue through counterfeiting money than industry.

You want to return the Earth to a peaceful state right? Then, the smart people must rid of all those without an education. THose people who become smart become the leader of a dictatorship and will use its power wisely because dictatorships are hard to rule.

Tyranny is not an acceptable price for peace. Just like killing everyone who isn't white is an unacceptable price for ending racism.

Peace comes at a cost. Beauty comes at a cost. Might as well be the cost of those nations that have no government and those nations that allow everyone to run around free with no law or rules for them to abide to.

The rule of law is antithetical to dictatorships. A country ruled by law (i.e. there is a viable judiciary and the government is NOT above the law) cannot, by definition be a dictatorship, where the government rules arbitrarily. The best government is a government of laws... where no one is above the law and the law exists to protect the rights of hte individual. No country has achieved that, but the ones that come close are also the ones that are doing the best right now.

Still, I want to laugh at:
2. Oppressing the lower class will produce more products and moeny, thus, having a better economy.China is the only dictatorship with a GDP bigger than GM' yearly sales.

Hey Dark Cow, you forgot, dictatorships (competent ones) bring stability. What is more stable than a country run by a single person who is backed by the entire military? He can decide what is best, he has the power to enforce that, and a huge crowd of people with guns aren't to be disagreed with by the work force. As for Letila, who cares what he says? Seeing as Letila (the country) is basically anarchist, I'm surprised he has a spokesperson, and my assumption is the 'spokesperson' is just a random person who walked in to the wrong building, while looking for a bathroom. A region, divided such as that, could never stand up against an organized and well-trained military. Think of the Spartans versus the Persians. 300 Spartans, 20,000+ Persians (my numbers probably are wrong, but you get the picture...that history channel special was awhile ago, in my defense). Unorganized masses stand no chance at fighting a cohesive military unit. The same thing is generally true in debates, too. A bunch of random arguments, like someone saying states and classes are bad, thus your argument falls flat, is useless against a well-thought out statement, and should be disregarded as such.

Both Persia and Sparta were dictatorships dude.

But then after the Persian Wars, Sparta (dictatorship) fought a long and costly war with Athens (started out as a democracy, then fell into despotism after a coup in 410 BC and another coup in 404 BC). Sparta defeated Athens, and installed a dictatorship (the reign of the Thirty Tyrants). The dictatorship lasted for eleven months before it was overthrown in 403 BC. By the 380s BC, Athens was once again in control of a second, though less imperialistic, sea league.

Afterwards, Sparta was set on the road to collapse. Thebes and Corinth, both democracies, had sided with Sparta in order to fight the new imperialistic Athens during the Peloponnesian Wars, but eventually they realized that Athens was an evil imperialistic democracy, whereas Sparta was an evil imperialistic dictatorship. They ended their alliances with Sparta and Sparta was unable to restore them because they didn't have any economy because they were ruled by the militarty.

Thebes, which had sided with Persia in the Persian Wars and was razed to the ground twice, managed to annihilate a Spartan army at Leuctra in 371 BC and invaded Sparta itself. The Theban Army under Epaminondas, who said memorably, "Nature has made no man a slave," then invaded Messenia, on which Sparta relied. The Thebans freed the helots and established a new democracy in Messenia, and by the end of 370 BC, Sparta's former slaves were stronger than Sparta itself.

Only the fact that the Targyus River was swollen and Epaminondas later died in battle saved Sparta from being totally overrun.

I laugh heartedly at your proposition, and also at the fool leader, Letila.

The superiority of a powerful state over your Anarchisitc, primitive and stagant country aside, do you, and your people of cavemen think you can stand against the might of all totalitarian states, let alone one?

I doubt your wretched excuse for civilians could stand against our passionate, eager people!

If anything, we should liberate your people, and set them on the path of evolution!

~ UN Ambassador for Terrastralis and her people, Nicholas Ballare.

You're the old-fashioned one, good sir. All the world's strongest countries are free countries nowadays. China (and arguably Saudi Arabia) are the only totalitarian countries that people still take seriously.

I laugh heartedly at your proposition, and also at the fool leader, Letila.

The superiority of a powerful state over your Anarchisitc, primitive and stagant country aside, do you, and your people of cavemen think you can stand against the might of all totalitarian states, let alone one?

I doubt your wretched excuse for civilians could stand against our passionate, eager people!

If anything, we should liberate your people, and set them on the path of evolution!

Uh, anarchism is more advanced than dictatorships, unless you consider most hunter gatherer societies anarchist, in which case, it's the oldest.

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"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
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I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.

I laugh heartedly at your proposition, and also at the fool leader, Letila.

The superiority of a powerful state over your Anarchisitc, primitive and stagant country aside, do you, and your people of cavemen think you can stand against the might of all totalitarian states, let alone one?

I doubt your wretched excuse for civilians could stand against our passionate, eager people!

If anything, we should liberate your people, and set them on the path of evolution!

Uh, anarchism is more advanced than dictatorships, unless you consider most hunter gatherer societies anarchist, in which case, it's the oldest.

The progress of all society has been with a tendency towards laws and individualism.

Oldest
Anarchy - No laws (duh), collective authority
Dictatorship - Government is above the law, state authority
Republic - The law is the highest authority, individual authority

The progress of all society has been with a tendency towards laws and individualism.

Though laws restrict individualism. The fashion trends championed by capitalism do, too.

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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.-The state only exists to serve itself.
"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.

The progress of all society has been with a tendency towards laws and individualism.

Though laws restrict individualism. The fashion trends championed by capitalism do, too.

Laws, when used properly, do not restrict individualism. Legitimate laws are laws that expand individualism, through protecting the right of individuals not to be defrauded, robbed, raped, murdered, etc. by other individuals. They also protect the right of individuals not to be rounded up and sent to Auschwitz by the government.

In a society without laws, an individual is forever subject to the whims of his collective and to nature itself, hence true individualism logically cannot exist without laws that protect the rights of the individual.

As for capitalist fashion trends, what can I say? We've gotta propagate the species :lol:.

Hey Global Market, ooc i was referring to the belief that Letila's citizens (or the random assortment of people in that general area) are like the Persians...unorganized, with no [competent] leadership. The Spartans would be the countries (namely me and whoever else I was supporting at the time, I forget) who would invade. The point I was trying to make is that quality is greater than quantity, thus a lot of anarchists milling around would be no match for a trained, organized army.

As for anarchy being "more advanced" than dictatorships....how exactly is anarchy more advanced than _anything_ ? The way I see things, anarchy is the basest of existences, with no one ruling and everyone just doing whatever they want. A dictatorship has strong leadership, and someone in charge of everyone else.

And about this GNP junk, hey, we're not comparing reality to nationstates, are we? Come on now, NationStates seems (to me) to be all about idealism. We're trying to roleplay dictators that aren't just all about getting money and killing everyone off (hopefully) and other people roleplay anarchists, democrats, corrupt people, etc. It's kinda hard to say "Uh uh! Dictatorships are bad because China is poor!" since this really isn't real life, and we can only compare our nations' economies.

Hey Global Market, ooc i was referring to the belief that Letila's citizens (or the random assortment of people in that general area) are like the Persians...unorganized, with no [competent] leadership. The Spartans would be the countries (namely me and whoever else I was supporting at the time, I forget) who would invade. The point I was trying to make is that quality is greater than quantity, thus a lot of anarchists milling around would be no match for a trained, organized army.

Sparta won a defensive war. 10,000 Spartan and other Peloponnesian mercenaries invaded Persia in 403 BC and got their asses kicked at the Battle of Cunaxa, though they did manage to get out of there in relatively good order, not under a single leader, but under ad hoc democratic councils where the soldiers voted on what to do.

The Greek democratic tradition has never been so powerful but on the battlefield... the Athenian army at Marathon, which killed 6000 Persians at the cost of 192 Athenian deaths, was commanded by ten generals, each of whom were supreme commander for only one day.

The collectivism of Sparta turned out to be no match for the individualism of Athens. Today, we remember Athens, not Sparta. Because Athens was a city of money and a city of science. Money and science always win out over sheer military force after a while.

Even during the Persian Wars, Sparta's defeat at Thermoplaye (the 300 Spartans were all killed along with 1,000 of their allied Thespians, Thebans, etc. and their leader Leonidas was crucified, though they did kill some 20,000 Persians) was only an inspiring moment. At was Athens's strategic withdrawal at Artemisium that same month that truly won the Persian Wars, as it led to the Persian fleet's attack on Salamis Bay and we all know how that turned out.

Dictatorship is sometimes only way to rule nation. Sometimes dictatorship nations have more freedom then democratic nations. I like more dictatorship of Cuba then democracy of USA. At least less people died in the name of Cuban dictatorship. :twisted:

Dictatorship is sometimes only way to rule nation. Sometimes dictatorship nations have more freedom then democratic nations. I like more dictatorship of Cuba then democracy of USA. At least less people died in the name of Cuban dictatorship. :twisted:

That's because Cuba's a smaller country.

I can't believe people are actually arguing for dictatorships.

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"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.

Why can you not believe it? Rather than a nation comprised of a bunch of people doing whatever they want, (which could be one person bullying everyone else in his village, if one exists), why not have one person who is the most well-informed person make all the decisions?

you will never remove all dictactorships.. it is simply impossible.

The Dark Realm of Nevermoore would like to express its extreme displeasure over this recent proposal. Any attempts to control this sovereign nation's government will result in war. The people support this government and will fight for it until they breathe no more. Any invasion will turn into a bloodbath.

Nevermoore's Ambassador to the United Nations:
Emelia Hearting

There is an important distinction that needs to be made perfectly clear. There are political systems, and economic systems. The US is a Republican Democracy, and also a capitalist country. The former Soviet Union was also a Republican Democracy, but it was communist. Much of modern Europe consists of Republican Democracies, but they are Socialist, or mostly socalist.

Capitalism allows private ownership of the means of production. Communism does not. Socialist countries have some private ownership, with heavy government regulations.

I am the dictator of Goryville, but the economy is capitalist. I keep out of private markets, and let the markets determine the price of goods. I also allow my citizens many civil rights. There are democracies that are not as free as Goryville.

Historically speaking some of the best rulers have been dictators, sadly Filel Castro is not one of them.

...Historically speaking some of the best rulers have been dictators, sadly Filel Castro is not one of them.

So have the worst. And what dictators do you consider "good" rulers?

True, there have been some very bad dictators. Some have made things better. Most Chilaeans I know like Pinochet. He saved Chile from the communists according to them. England has had some very good kings and queens.

Dictators have absolute power, and power corrupts is an old adage.

There have been some very bad democatically elected leaders as well.

Clinton, Carter, Marcos, Hitler, and Musilini(sp?) weren't too good, just to name a few.

Sorry for the Democrat baiting. I could include Nixon and Ford in that list as well.

Sorry for the Democrat baiting. I could include Nixon and Ford in that list as well.

I know I’ve said this before but just to condense my argument down in to neat well ordered points.

A dictator may be corrupt but an elected leader may also be corrupt.
A dictator doesn’t necessarily go around killing people, it depends on dictators.
All countries are different and therefore need different types of governments.
Not all dictators want to create an extremely large military/ be extremely rich.
Some dictators work for the good of the people.
And about this GNP junk, hey, we're not comparing reality to nationstates, are we?... It's kinda hard to say "Uh uh! Dictatorships are bad because China is poor!" since this really isn't real life, and we can only compare our nations' economies. Exactly.


Desdemona,
UN representative,
The Back New World

Insulting Fidel. And Allende. I'm outraged. I'd wage war if the People's Republic of Loretteville-Nord had an army. I'd live in Cuba way before I'd even think of setting foot on US territory if democracy was the only criterium. It's not, and I still prefer Cuba.

The question is how do you define a dictatorship? My nation has great democratic rights but no freedom to do business. Capitalists might say I'm a dictator in this case and want my head, but they are tyrans to me, allowing an almighty plutocratic elite to exert a right of life or death over the empoverished working class! That is definately not democratic, even if people can vote for whoever they want. After all only the rich can campaign, so only them have candidates so capitalism kinda nullify democracy.
If some are slaves none is free. There's no liberty with an empty stomach. Dictatorship of the proletariat is the only true democracy.

P.S.: Frankly Goryville, what you said was utterly disgusting. Change from democratic communism to capitalistic fascism is NOT for the better.

Suporters of oppression always imagine themselves the oppressors.

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"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.

I have and never will support any cruel dictatorships (unlike the United States in real life, sorry, just had to include that, I love my home country). But I also believe in the right for people to choose their own government, and sometimes people do choose to have dictatorships.

I hate to use this example :roll: ; but even Hitler came to power through popular vote, and Germany very much supported his dictatorship. I am sure there have been benevolent dictatorships that have come about as a result of choice by the people as well. Though none come to mind off the top of my head right now. :?

As a country ruled by democracy and the people, I will not approve such a proposal and will vote against it if it reaches the floor. I of course will not resign from the UN if it passes as it will have no effect on me.

Though I advise all other dictatorship nations to resign the day before if it looks like it is going to pass and perhaps join 2-3 days after the resolution has been implemented.

Good luck to all of you, be you a democracy, a dictatorship, or anything else in between or outside.

Confederacy of the Isles UN Delegate
Hung Tony

People are too willing to sacrifice freedom for security, even phony security.

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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.-The state only exists to serve itself.
"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.

I'd live in Cuba way before I'd even think of setting foot on US territory if democracy was the only criterium. It's not, and I still prefer Cuba.

It's statements like that that totally discredit everything you say.

Cuba has more political prisoners per capita than any other country in the world. Not very free, if you ask me.

I'd live in Cuba way before I'd even think of setting foot on US territory if democracy was the only criterium. It's not, and I still prefer Cuba.

It's statements like that that totally discredit everything you say.

Cuba has more political prisoners per capita than any other country in the world. Not very free, if you ask me.

I'd like to know your sources. Cuba hates to invest in jails, it doesn't use prisoners as slave labour as the US does you see(why is the US the only country with more than 1% prisoners - I don't think yankees are more violent than other peoples) so it's uselessly costly. There is police abuse but dissidents are more often than not released the same day. Just like in Canada and probably the US too. And for what I said about living there, I'm serious, I'm getting my next summer job in Havana(well, trying to) to see if I can get used to a country with poor plumbering.
Frankly, I know many Cubans, and Canadians and French who live in Cuba, and it hardly looks like the US propaganda sais, you'll need to document a bit, but if that's going to be a long argument I think we should argue privately, that's a bit off-topic.

I'd live in Cuba way before I'd even think of setting foot on US territory if democracy was the only criterium. It's not, and I still prefer Cuba.

It's statements like that that totally discredit everything you say.

Cuba has more political prisoners per capita than any other country in the world. Not very free, if you ask me.

I'd like to know your sources. Cuba hates to invest in jails, it doesn't use prisoners as slave labour as the US does you see(why is the US the only country with more than 1% prisoners - I don't think yankees are more violent than other peoples) so it's uselessly costly. There is police abuse but dissidents are more often than not released the same day. Just like in Canada and probably the US too. And for what I said about living there, I'm serious, I'm getting my next summer job in Havana(well, trying to) to see if I can get used to a country with poor plumbering.
Frankly, I know many Cubans, and Canadians and French who live in Cuba, and it hardly looks like the US propaganda sais, you'll need to document a bit, but if that's going to be a long argument I think we should argue privately, that's a bit off-topic.

My source is the Americas Watch, a Latin American human rights watch.

America has more than 1% of its people in jails because of our insane war on drugs (70% of American prisoners are in jail on drug-related charges). I believe drugs should be legal.

1%! That's excessive! The war on drugs isn't all that effective. Not surprising.

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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.-The state only exists to serve itself.
"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.

Most Chilaeans I know like Pinochet. He saved Chile from the communists according to them.

He knocked down the democratic goverment of Allende and then installed a regime of State terror... yeah he was great

First of all...what kind of world would it be without any Dictatorships...I think it would suck balls the size of Texas!!! My nation is not ne ruled by a single man...but someday i might change that if it is in my interest. If there were no dictatorships then ppl would be walkin all over eachother and it would be madness. In any case...we dont need rules if ever nation would just FREE THE WEED! If everyone was high at the same time, then peace and bliss would enlighten us all.

1%! That's excessive! The war on drugs isn't all that effective. Not surprising.

Complete and total failure... my point exactly.

Drugs fight back with greater ferocity than any French Resistance or Boer Militia...

1%! That's excessive! The war on drugs isn't all that effective. Not surprising.

Complete and total failure... my point exactly.

Drugs fight back with greater ferocity than any French Resistance or Boer Militia...

Why don't you come and try to remove me from power big mouth?
I will crush you like one of my subjects. :twisted:

Shall we team up and invade him? :twisted:

Sounds like fun; I'll consider it once I get my little hot-headed colony under country.

Firstly, the UN should be focused on maintaining the peace. This resolution, regardless if dictatorships are bad or not, goes against the very meaning of this organization.

But on dictatorships: Everything ends up being a dictatorship.

Democracy: Vote to become a dictatorship. It only has to happen once. Besides, you rarely see a true democracy nowadays. It's way too inefficient for large societies.

Republic: Look at Rome. Or you can look at the USA for that matter...

Anarchy: This is the easiest one to become a dictatorship. There's nothing stopping a well-armed militia from taking the entire country.

That said, there are different forms of government control. You could have a group of people who VOTE IN the PATRIOT Act, for crying out loud.

"Dictatorships can be brutal, corrupt, and genocidal."

Then make resolutions that go after the brutal, corrupt, and genocidal dictatorships, and leave the fair constitutional monarchies alone. By the way, part of the reason that dictatorships suck IRL is because they were propped up by imperial nations in order to suck the industrial life out of the country and feed the capitalists. (I'm a capitalist country, and I'm admitting this. I can tell the truth because I can't be voted out.)

In the end, I see it as me running the country or business running the country. I like myself.

My good man. You obviously don't know the power of dictatorships these days. You believe that dictatorships oppress all. Yes they to, to an extent. Many oppress the small things such as religion and the such. I would like to oppress the lower class from my other subject topic I started some time ago. Dictatorships, in fact, are quite powerful. Why? Here's why:
1. Giving an educated person power and combined with his or her ideas, he or she will be able to position the government to work at maximum efficency.

How do you ensure that he is capable or even if he is, how he will not be corrupted a la Robespierre?

Robespierre kept everything in order, it was the person after him that ruined everything. Eventually, Louis XIV of France came to power and excerized power over the people. Although he lost a lot of wars, he was able to keep the noblity under control. How to know if someone is capable or not? Well, it depends on the dictator. Take Hitler, he was elected as dictator because a lot of people supported him. That's one way to become a dictator. Of course, sounds like democracy. He was elected is the point. And then he alone will elect the next one.

2. Oppressing the lower class will produce more products and moeny, thus, having a better economy.

LoL. That is the most laughable statement I've ever heard. Dictatorships are some of the weakest economies on Earth. The ONLY dictatorship with a statistically significant economy is China, and that country is making steps to democracy. There is not a SINGLE country with a per capita income above $12,000 that isn't a democracy. The reason's simple, money leads to liberty and vice versa.

Maybe I didn't elborate on my point. By oppression the lower class, you are able to have a greater work force. How do you oppress the lower class? With the military. A strong military. Dictatorships have strong militaries. Look at Hitler. Napoleon. Louis XIV who practiced absolutism. With a larger labor force, you will have a greater output. You'll be trading with other nations at a cheaper cost because you will be producing them in greater amounts.

3. Look at Hitler. People did not like him. Why? He became too powerful, too fast. Also about killing 6.5 million Jews. That's was his fatal mistake, but he needed an idea to get support from the lower class. (On a lighter note no conserning the game, mass killing like that is totally wrong.)

The fact that he was evil might have had something to do with it too.

Dictatorships bring power. I think we both agree on that.

4. Power is good for with power comes money.

And, with the exception of China, every dictatorship on Earth is pathetic. North Korea, the strongest dictatorship other than China militarily, earns more revenue through counterfeiting money than industry.

To have a strong dictatorship, you need to have a population. Nort Korea does not have a population. How can you oppress people when you have no power?

You want to return the Earth to a peaceful state right? Then, the smart people must rid of all those without an education. THose people who become smart become the leader of a dictatorship and will use its power wisely because dictatorships are hard to rule.

Tyranny is not an acceptable price for peace. Just like killing everyone who isn't white is an unacceptable price for ending racism.

Racism? I never talked about racism. This is a matter of opinion. Survival of the fittest. Let the stupid die and the smart people rise.

Peace comes at a cost. Beauty comes at a cost. Might as well be the cost of those nations that have no government and those nations that allow everyone to run around free with no law or rules for them to abide to.

The rule of law is antithetical to dictatorships. A country ruled by law (i.e. there is a viable judiciary and the government is NOT above the law) cannot, by definition be a dictatorship, where the government rules arbitrarily. The best government is a government of laws... where no one is above the law and the law exists to protect the rights of hte individual. No country has achieved that, but the ones that come close are also the ones that are doing the best right now.

A dictatorships does have laws. The dictator himself. Maybe I don't understand the statement. Please clarify. Dictatorships can have laws. The dicator chooses what he or she wants. He or she chooses who is above the law and who is below the law. Thus, a dictatorship is a unfair government. So? Nothing wrong with that. Life's unfair.

Still, I want to laugh at:
2. Oppressing the lower class will produce more products and moeny, thus, having a better economy.China is the only dictatorship with a GDP bigger than GM' yearly sales.

Because China has no technology. If the world gave Germany a chance to grow, then its economy would proabably be bigger than the U.S.A.'s. Different dicatatorships have different ideas. I want a dictatoship that promotes technology and businesses. You oppress the lower class for labor. You have the upper class to research. You get a new idea. You have the lower class build it. How can you laugh at that?

oops, I wrote everything in the white. I don't know anything about technology:P

Just want to learn something from all of this...

Because China has no technology. If the world gave Germany a chance to grow, then its economy would proabably be bigger than the U.S.A.'s. Different dicatatorships have different ideas. I want a dictatoship that promotes technology and businesses. You oppress the lower class for labor. You have the upper class to research. You get a new idea. You have the lower class build it. How can you laugh at that?

oops, I wrote everything in the white. I don't know anything about technology:P

1) China is the world's largest market for cell phones and the number of Chinese people using the Internet doubles every eighteen months, the highest growth rate in the world.
2) Well, duh, that's because Germany's GDP would be the entire world's GDP. If we let Germany grow on the precondition that they didn't invade anyone, though, they'd be screwed now, wouldn't they?
3) Yeah, or economics for that matter.

My good man. You obviously don't know the power of dictatorships these days. You believe that dictatorships oppress all. Yes they to, to an extent. Many oppress the small things such as religion and the such. I would like to oppress the lower class from my other subject topic I started some time ago. Dictatorships, in fact, are quite powerful. Why? Here's why:
1. Giving an educated person power and combined with his or her ideas, he or she will be able to position the government to work at maximum efficency.

How do you ensure that he is capable or even if he is, how he will not be corrupted a la Robespierre?


Democracy is the worst of the best systems. I wouldn't be suprised if the best system is a good dictator ship, and the worst system is a bad dictator ship. And yes......you don't know :P.


2. Oppressing the lower class will produce more products and moeny, thus, having a better economy.

LoL. That is the most laughable statement I've ever heard. Dictatorships are some of the weakest economies on Earth. The ONLY dictatorship with a statistically significant economy is China, and that country is making steps to democracy. There is not a SINGLE country with a per capita income above $12,000 that isn't a democracy. The reason's simple, money leads to liberty and vice versa.



It could be very well argued that the vica versa part is not correct. Money leads to liberty. Liberty does not have to lead to money.

3. Look at Hitler. People did not like him. Why? He became too powerful, too fast. Also about killing 6.5 million Jews. That's was his fatal mistake, but he needed an idea to get support from the lower class. (On a lighter note no conserning the game, mass killing like that is totally wrong.)

The fact that he was evil might have had something to do with it too.


I will not take it up for hitler, but don't try me....I could. Basically calling something evil is about the most unenlightend thing you can do....therefore done by almost every human being :P. It means you create focus and save energy doubting yourself at the price of not thinking or understand or learning. Not entirely unusefull, but not something that I respect in somebody in politics who's job is to think, understand his friends and foes and trying to do the most advantuage actions. Killing 6,5 milion Jews. They hardly new during the war. And certainly not the holocaust. Why nobody liked him....because he didn'twin ..whohahah :P. (after the war that is) Sorry, but it is the sad truth in this world. No, his fatal mistake was just bad diplomacy and war tactics. Like attacking multiple opponents which are each economically stronger than you. There is bravery and there is...... especially when you think that he never practically didn't plan beyond polen :P.

We love to believe there is goodness and justice in the world. And even if we don't we say it a lot because other people want to hear it. But let me do you the favor of waking you up ;).


4. Power is good for with power comes money.

And, with the exception of China, every dictatorship on Earth is pathetic. North Korea, the strongest dictatorship other than China militarily, earns more revenue through counterfeiting money than industry.



I would prefere to say money is good, because money gives you power. Using a real world example of this particular small time in history might not be the source of ultimate knowledge. So thank god, america happens to be a democracy. Thereby proving that all other systems don't work. I do remember somebody saying also once something like, any civilization above the bronse age that would have descovert america would have reached super power. It is kinda an advantage to find a huge, resourcefull rich, practically undefended continent. And europe, the old one on the world....well we where very good kings once. They build us up, not the democracies. Infact becoming a democracy/republic has basically done not much good for the french.


You want to return the Earth to a peaceful state right? Then, the smart people must rid of all those without an education. THose people who become smart become the leader of a dictatorship and will use its power wisely because dictatorships are hard to rule.

Tyranny is not an acceptable price for peace. Just like killing everyone who isn't white is an unacceptable price for ending racism.


Smart persons end up filling there own pockets and fighting each other. Creating a noble class does not make peace. On the other hand, freedom is overrated. And tyranny wouldn't be tyranny if people wouldn't try to resist and revolt all the time :P.


Peace comes at a cost. Beauty comes at a cost. Might as well be the cost of those nations that have no government and those nations that allow everyone to run around free with no law or rules for them to abide to.

The rule of law is antithetical to dictatorships. A country ruled by law (i.e. there is a viable judiciary and the government is NOT above the law) cannot, by definition be a dictatorship, where the government rules arbitrarily. The best government is a government of laws... where no one is above the law and the law exists to protect the rights of hte individual. No country has achieved that, but the ones that come close are also the ones that are doing the best right now.


Yep a dictator ship, or sometimes called despote is actually characterized by the fact that there are no real laws. But only the wims and desires, or the wise decions, of the dictator.

Nobody has achieved that. And thank god. That would be hell. Law fixed in stone excuted by the cold iron heartless hand of justice, brrrr. Oh no wait. Some people came close. The law of the koran is pretty much above everybody. You see, the original writer is dead, and they seem to adore him to much to dare make any changes :P.


Still, I want to laugh at:
2. Oppressing the lower class will produce more products and moeny, thus, having a better economy.China is the only dictatorship with a GDP bigger than GM' yearly sales.

Actually he is not THAT crazy. Oppressing the lower class does mean you have to spend less resources to make them happy and entertain them and bla bla. Slave labour is very efficient system of working......uhm except one little detail. The slaves tend to not like it :-S. Which results that the money you safe from paying them, basically goes to a police force to supress them. Oh how much you have gained :P.

But this was not the message I wanted to respond too :-S. Ah well feels like a waste to delete it.

My good man. You obviously don't know the power of dictatorships these days. You believe that dictatorships oppress all. Yes they to, to an extent. Many oppress the small things such as religion and the such. I would like to oppress the lower class from my other subject topic I started some time ago. Dictatorships, in fact, are quite powerful. Why? Here's why:
1. Giving an educated person power and combined with his or her ideas, he or she will be able to position the government to work at maximum efficency.

How do you ensure that he is capable or even if he is, how he will not be corrupted a la Robespierre?

Robespierre kept everything in order, it was the person after him that ruined everything. Eventually, Louis XIV of France came to power and excerized power over the people. Although he lost a lot of wars, he was able to keep the noblity under control. How to know if someone is capable or not? Well, it depends on the dictator. Take Hitler, he was elected as dictator because a lot of people supported him. That's one way to become a dictator. Of course, sounds like democracy. He was elected is the point. And then he alone will elect the next one.

I thought napoleon cleaned the mess up after robespierre.
That is what I mean, freedom is over rated. Give people freedom and they choice to give it up. And looking around on the world I don't think we have changed that much.


2. Oppressing the lower class will produce more products and moeny, thus, having a better economy.

LoL. That is the most laughable statement I've ever heard. Dictatorships are some of the weakest economies on Earth. The ONLY dictatorship with a statistically significant economy is China, and that country is making steps to democracy. There is not a SINGLE country with a per capita income above $12,000 that isn't a democracy. The reason's simple, money leads to liberty and vice versa.

Maybe I didn't elborate on my point. By oppression the lower class, you are able to have a greater work force. How do you oppress the lower class? With the military. A strong military. Dictatorships have strong militaries. Look at Hitler. Napoleon. Louis XIV who practiced absolutism. With a larger labor force, you will have a greater output. You'll be trading with other nations at a cheaper cost because you will be producing them in greater amounts.
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I guess you just proved my point for me. You don't mind while your supporting your millitary, I am putting you economically at the side line ;). Actually I give you a hint. You don't want to pay the people excessive luxeries. You don't want to pay a police to supress them. So wat you want is to people to volutairly bow to your will. And it is there that proper indoctrination comes the picture. Very succesfully done for a long time in europe. The catolic church was a master in it. That was there job for which they get so much on there head now :P. Would be funny if you hated the catolic church. The answer would right under your nose. Blind hatred made you not see it.
Afcourse the modern indoctrinators probably few they are the first.

About those large armies of hitler and napoleon. That was a form of manipulation of the minds of the people as well. You see, they made the people believe that there where enemies out there. And that in the common good they had to unite and fight. Facism is actually on to something, we just need to find a way of using this without plunging the country into costly wars. Or maybe we should just remove russia from the map. Napoleon is more or less excused. He had not much history to learn from. But hitler, making exact the same mistake, being more or less defeated exactly the same way. Even while stating himself, this is exactly not how to do it and should be avoid at all cost. Funny guy, not particular bright though :P.

Oh about the larger labour force. The people in a country are the people in a country. That doesn't grow. All you can say is that they work harder, for less cost and more united for one goal. Dictators don't pop people out of the ground. In other systems those people do other things that have other uses, which just are not under control of the government.

3. Look at Hitler. People did not like him. Why? He became too powerful, too fast. Also about killing 6.5 million Jews. That's was his fatal mistake, but he needed an idea to get support from the lower class. (On a lighter note no conserning the game, mass killing like that is totally wrong.)

The fact that he was evil might have had something to do with it too.

Dictatorships bring power. I think we both agree on that.


Actually tell you a little secret. I love dicators. They are the most easy to defeat. You see they have a constant pressure from internal that wants them gone. An enemy might just make use of that, if he plays his cards out right. It is that indoctrination that makes it more difficult sadly enough. But if he uses police, who yea. One dictator for breakfast, one for lunch, and two for a good suppor. :P.

4. Power is good for with power comes money.

And, with the exception of China, every dictatorship on Earth is pathetic. North Korea, the strongest dictatorship other than China militarily, earns more revenue through counterfeiting money than industry.

To have a strong dictatorship, you need to have a population. Nort Korea does not have a population. How can you oppress people when you have no power?

You want to return the Earth to a peaceful state right? Then, the smart people must rid of all those without an education. THose people who become smart become the leader of a dictatorship and will use its power wisely because dictatorships are hard to rule.

Tyranny is not an acceptable price for peace. Just like killing everyone who isn't white is an unacceptable price for ending racism.

Racism? I never talked about racism. This is a matter of opinion. Survival of the fittest. Let the stupid die and the smart people rise.[/quote]

I think there is a quote error here. That is why I took the wrong message.

Surival of the fittest. God you are such a fool. You have no idea where you talking about. I am a follower of survival of the fittest but the general interpretation of social darwinism is a complete screw up.

But lets start simple. If the stupid die, and the smart people rise.....who is going to do all the labour ;). Other than that if the stupid people get into a rumble with the smart people, the stupid will win, stupid or not.....there are just more of them :P. And they are taller too :D (movie speed). A rather painfull observation I was forced to make in this world.

Peace comes at a cost. Beauty comes at a cost. Might as well be the cost of those nations that have no government and those nations that allow everyone to run around free with no law or rules for them to abide to.

The rule of law is antithetical to dictatorships. A country ruled by law (i.e. there is a viable judiciary and the government is NOT above the law) cannot, by definition be a dictatorship, where the government rules arbitrarily. The best government is a government of laws... where no one is above the law and the law exists to protect the rights of hte individual. No country has achieved that, but the ones that come close are also the ones that are doing the best right now.

A dictatorships does have laws. The dictator himself. Maybe I don't understand the statement. Please clarify. Dictatorships can have laws. The dicator chooses what he or she wants. He or she chooses who is above the law and who is below the law. Thus, a dictatorship is a unfair government. So? Nothing wrong with that. Life's unfair.

No that is not law. Law is what is written down. At least that is the modern concept of law. The other is something like martial law. Might makes right. The thing is they abandoned it, because it didn't work very well. It created unstable situations. Lack of consistency weakend the system. You must also see, if might makes right, that means anybody that has momentarily might, is right. Which is trouble for a human dictor. For one thing, they have to sleep once in a while :P. By making laws kings where possible that could rule because people would follow the law without having to use force for any action you wanted from someone. Your dictatorship is sadly enough an anarchy, where at that moment one is the biggest guy on the block. But nobody remains the biggest guy for ever, and everybody has a weak moment sometimes.


Still, I want to laugh at:
[quote=Dark Cow]2. Oppressing the lower class will produce more products and moeny, thus, having a better economy.China is the only dictatorship with a GDP bigger than GM' yearly sales.

Because China has no technology. If the world gave Germany a chance to grow, then its economy would proabably be bigger than the U.S.A.'s. Different dicatatorships have different ideas. I want a dictatoship that promotes technology and businesses. You oppress the lower class for labor. You have the upper class to research. You get a new idea. You have the lower class build it. How can you laugh at that?

oops, I wrote everything in the white. I don't know anything about technology:P

Face it, america is the biggest guy on the block. But if we don't want to use right is might. Can we than also drop the part just because they are the biggest guy means they must be right. America can change into any thing it wants.....it will still be the biggest guy on the block. (at the moment)

Funny enough stalin was never used. Hated dispised and loathed, he did manage to do what Dark Cow worships. Turning a backward nation into a nation capable of resisting germany. Maybe not the biggest guy, but quite impressive. And his dictator ship played a good part of that.

Gosh I hate these quotes. Not only does it look ugly. It is also a hell to put them on the right places :P. Oh bugger.....well you guys get it.

YIKES! What about Nations who become Dictatorships because of cheesy issues?

What good is prosperity if you can't enjoy it?

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What good is prosperity if you can't enjoy it?

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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.-The state only exists to serve itself.
"Oppose excessive military spending, yet believe in excessive spending on junk food and plastic surgery to make all your women look like LARDASSES!"-Sino, when I criticized excessive military spending.
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I'm male. Note the pic of attractive women.

It is not about good for people. We are not trying to make anybody happy. We just want to be stronger than the rest and invade :P.
uhm....that we is not actually we, that is some people who like dictatorships.

I'd just like to add my 2 cents.

This propsal should not be passed. It is based on a one-sided, prejudice point of view on dictorships. Not all dictorship governments end up being like the nazis, which I can tell, is what he (the one who started this propsal) based his judgment of dictorship on.

My government is one of dictorship, yet we are far from evil. My government ecourages equal rights. We allow them to express their belifs freely. We do not oppress anyone. Protests are fully legal, as long as they remain peacefull. The only thing we "force" on our citizens is military camp for teens. This is an accepted part of life in our country, few teens have expressed extreme dislike for the program. It instills teamwork, physical fitness, citizenship, sportsmenship, amoung other things.

Anyway, those are my thoughts as Prime Minister of the Armed Republic of Redhawks.

And anyone who disagrees will get shot :P

You are right, dictator ships don't have to turn into nightmares. The only thing is can easily happen. But as we have learned from heiler, is that a democracy can be just as susceptable to it ;).

No I am alright in you trying to be a good dictator. Might thrust you more than those reducilous citizins I have have. I would take power, if I would not consider it to much work. And in this democracy they nicely disagree with each other, so I can calmly remain in power as sort of constituitional monarchy :P.

Dictatorships exists in the world for a reason. Which is not just because somebody got away with it. We might redicule those fancy theories of them why it is oh so good, because there are holes in them. But that doesn't mean a dictatorship at the right time might be very usefull. And those funny theories actually have a correct basis. Autorithy leads to strength. The key to being a succesfull dictator is however, you are only in power because the people let you. If they choice to revolt all at once you are a goner. Therefore you power is not absolute. You still have someone (someones) you have to be responsable to. But as long as you are doing a good job, I think you can have a successfull dynasty.

I'd just like to add my 2 cents.

This propsal should not be passed. It is based on a one-sided, prejudice point of view on dictorships. Not all dictorship governments end up being like the nazis, which I can tell, is what he (the one who started this propsal) based his judgment of dictorship on.

My government is one of dictorship, yet we are far from evil. My government ecourages equal rights. We allow them to express their belifs freely. We do not oppress anyone. Protests are fully legal, as long as they remain peacefull. The only thing we "force" on our citizens is military camp for teens. This is an accepted part of life in our country, few teens have expressed extreme dislike for the program. It instills teamwork, physical fitness, citizenship, sportsmenship, amoung other things.

Anyway, those are my thoughts as Prime Minister of the Armed Republic of Redhawks.

I have met va lot of proposals at nation states that are not based on a one sided few on a situation ;).

And anyone who disagrees will get shot :P

You are right, dictator ships don't have to turn into nightmares. The only thing is can easily happen. But as we have learned from heiler, is that a democracy can be just as susceptable to it ;).

No I am alright in you trying to be a good dictator. Might thrust you more than those reducilous citizins I have have. I would take power, if I would not consider it to much work. And in this democracy they nicely disagree with each other, so I can calmly remain in power as sort of constituitional monarchy :P.

Dictatorships exists in the world for a reason. Which is not just because somebody got away with it. We might redicule those fancy theories of them why it is oh so good, because there are holes in them. But that doesn't mean a dictatorship at the right time might be very usefull. And those funny theories actually have a correct basis. Autorithy leads to strength. The key to being a succesfull dictator is however, you are only in power because the people let you. If they choice to revolt all at once you are a goner. Therefore you power is not absolute. You still have someone (someones) you have to be responsable to. But as long as you are doing a good job, I think you can have a successfull dynasty.

As successful as it could be, it's still inherently more oppressive and unjust than democracy. Democracies, if given a viable judiciary and founded on the principle of the rule of law--something that Weimar Germany did not have--they are almost immune against dictatorship.

But I would like to remind you just how important the Rule of Law is:

"Since the general civilization of mankind, rights are more often violated by slow and steady encroachment of those in power rather than by sudden and violent usurpation."
--James Madison

The only way to ensure freedom is to ensure that the government is never placed above the law (the Constitution in America's case). Everything Congress does must be scrutinized, and everything the President does (personally I believe in eliminating the executive branch altogether, as it is really only useful in wartime) [Also, I mean regarding politics. I don't care what intern he's screwing] must be scrutinized much, much stricter.

Dictatorships don't just keep themselves in power through police force or religion, the strongest tool to keep people under control is hate.
How are right-wing governments elected and worst re-elected? Easy!
You're unemployed? It's the union worker's fault!
You're overtaxed? It's the unemployed people's fault!
It's the immigrant's fault! It's the pot smoker's fault! It's the liberal's! The minimum wage worker's! The student's! That kid who painted a graffiti! The French! The black guy who isn't in prison! That other one who is in prison! The fag! The tenant's union!
Without mentioning my dog who ate my homework.
Anyway the point is, find one government who doesn't keep itself in power by blaming the weak (or the enemy, sometimes) for everything bad that happens and that it is responsible for, and you'll have found a democracy. I'm afraid that doesn't exist yet.

Dictatorships don't just keep themselves in power through police force or religion, the strongest tool to keep people under control is hate.
How are right-wing governments elected and worst re-elected? Easy!
You're unemployed? It's the union worker's fault!
You're overtaxed? It's the unemployed people's fault!
It's the immigrant's fault! It's the pot smoker's fault! It's the liberal's! The minimum wage worker's! The student's! That kid who painted a graffiti! The French! The black guy who isn't in prison! That other one who is in prison! The fag! The tenant's union!
Without mentioning my dog who ate my homework.
Anyway the point is, find one government who doesn't keep itself in power by blaming the weak (or the enemy, sometimes) for everything bad that happens and that it is responsible for, and you'll have found a democracy. I'm afraid that doesn't exist yet.

Dictatorships don't just keep themselves in power through police force or religion, the strongest tool to keep people under control is hate.
How are right-wing governments elected and worst re-elected? Easy!
You're unemployed? It's the union worker's fault!
You're overtaxed? It's the unemployed people's fault!
It's the immigrant's fault! It's the pot smoker's fault! It's the liberal's! The minimum wage worker's! The student's! That kid who painted a graffiti! The French! The black guy who isn't in prison! That other one who is in prison! The fag! The tenant's union!
Without mentioning my dog who ate my homework.
Anyway the point is, find one government who doesn't keep itself in power by blaming the weak (or the enemy, sometimes) for everything bad that happens and that it is responsible for, and you'll have found a democracy. I'm afraid that doesn't exist yet.

Actually the strong are more often scapegoated than the weak. Like in Weimar Germany, the Jews controlled a disproportionately high amount of money. So Hitler blamed the Jews even though they were probably the strongest ethnic minority. No one would've believed him if he blamed some really weak group like Luandans.

Similiarily the Chinese take the most heat in many Southeast Asian countries because they, as an ethnic minority, control the economy.

Dictatorships don't just keep themselves in power through police force or religion, the strongest tool to keep people under control is hate.
How are right-wing governments elected and worst re-elected? Easy!
You're unemployed? It's the union worker's fault!
You're overtaxed? It's the unemployed people's fault!
It's the immigrant's fault! It's the pot smoker's fault! It's the liberal's! The minimum wage worker's! The student's! That kid who painted a graffiti! The French! The black guy who isn't in prison! That other one who is in prison! The fag! The tenant's union!
Without mentioning my dog who ate my homework.
Anyway the point is, find one government who doesn't keep itself in power by blaming the weak (or the enemy, sometimes) for everything bad that happens and that it is responsible for, and you'll have found a democracy. I'm afraid that doesn't exist yet.

Actually the strong are more often scapegoated than the weak. Like in Weimar Germany, the Jews controlled a disproportionately high amount of money. So Hitler blamed the Jews even though they were probably the strongest ethnic minority. No one would've believed him if he blamed some really weak group like Luandans.

Similiarily the Chinese take the most heat in many Southeast Asian countries because they, as an ethnic minority, control the economy.

Dictatorships don't just keep themselves in power through police force or religion, the strongest tool to keep people under control is hate.
How are right-wing governments elected and worst re-elected? Easy!
You're unemployed? It's the union worker's fault!
You're overtaxed? It's the unemployed people's fault!
It's the immigrant's fault! It's the pot smoker's fault! It's the liberal's! The minimum wage worker's! The student's! That kid who painted a graffiti! The French! The black guy who isn't in prison! That other one who is in prison! The fag! The tenant's union!
Without mentioning my dog who ate my homework.
Anyway the point is, find one government who doesn't keep itself in power by blaming the weak (or the enemy, sometimes) for everything bad that happens and that it is responsible for, and you'll have found a democracy. I'm afraid that doesn't exist yet.

Actually the strong are more often scapegoated than the weak. Like in Weimar Germany, the Jews controlled a disproportionately high amount of money. So Hitler blamed the Jews even though they were probably the strongest ethnic minority. No one would've believed him if he blamed some really weak group like Luandans.

Similiarily the Chinese take the most heat in many Southeast Asian countries because they, as an ethnic minority, control the economy.

Actually you got a point with those jew. But......I actually took to took the time to watch the movie"the ethernal jew" and you notice something very funyy.They are actually misguided communists in disguise. It was not the jew part they hated. It was there capatalistic methodes they hated. It was more like a ranting against capatalists, except that they considered the jews to be the only capatalists. :P

My advice to the dictators. Don't scream to loud that you are a dictator. Though very honests and open (very admirable and good for humanity) it is just that it is an unpopular statement. Instead say that you support a cause that everybody believes in, and say you do whatever it takes to make it happen. You will find that everybody who screams I am against dictatorships will support you and make you a dictator. Most people in there heart, even when they scream very hard "no I am against", would follow or start a dictatorship very easily. In my experience this one of the reasons a lot of people eventually say the dictatorship is the best system. They know people in there hearts support them.

Put a group of likeminded people in one room and they will start to suppress the minority opinion. But the whole trick is that you make that majority believe they are not acting like a dictatorship.

About democracy. It is still a worthless system. As long as you work with positive votes, a dictatorship of the majority 50% is very easy to happen. And since the turn up is 100% even a smaller group can form a dictatorship of the majority.

And if you question this, go ask the people that support banning capitalism or communism and ask them if they are pro a dictatorship or not ;). :twisted:

My nation and I agree 100% with the fact that dictatorships should be removed from every nation of this planet. The Democratic Republic Of Studium recognize and acknowledge the great threat dictatorships may be if we try and oppose them but as a democratic country I feel it is our duty to but everything we have on the line to save those oppressed by evil dictators. In my seperate post concerning a new South Pacific UN delegate I tackle the issue of evil and propose a total eradication of it. If you endorse me, I may hopefully become the new South Pacific UN delegate and therefore will be able to have more of an impact on things that really matter. In the long term, together we may one day restore Earth to the peaceful, beautiful place it once was, and allow all to freely enjoy this planet without fear of oppression because of race, religion, creed, sex, beliefs from any dictator or dictatorship. Let us come together and win the war against evil.

In hope,
President Pitt
The Democratic Republic Of Studium

Rare though it is that I express myself in this respected forum (as I have never seen any real need to do so), the United Nations, I feel that many things need to be expressed about the nature of an autocratic rule. The Confederacy has no opression based on race, religion, creed (often the same as the former, but moving swiftly on) sex, or the nebulously termed 'beliefs.' No one is opressed here unfairly, and I would advocate the advantages of benevolent autocracy any day of the week. Unfortunately, most people are easily corrupted by power, which I find to be a great shame, and something which reflects badly on those who share a similar form of govenment.

- Princeps Senatus Karl Kopinski, Executive of the C'tan Confederacy.

I think it is possible to go back to 1550 and stop the french revolution from happening.

With the right explaining I think it is possible to curp "power makes corrupt" a little bit.