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Check out the new proposal by the Sultan of Scaraba: It'sa called "Sterilize Uglies". Basically it lays out a system for the mandatory sterilization of ugly people, so they can't have more ugly children. I encourage feedback, but none of that stuff about replacing "uglies" with "jews", because ugly people AREN'T people.

Uh huh, and what happens if we immediately say you are ugly?

"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder"

Beauty is in the eye of local beauty-centric focus groups, determining the reproductive futures of uggos like you, sucka!

You must love your little dream world.

You have no idea...ahhhh...

"silly rabbit, tricks are for kids"

Trix, man! TRIX! Alright, anyone besides the O.C. have anything to say about Uggo Sterilizating?

Why not just kill people instead while you're at it?

Maybe for my next proposal. Also, don't say "instead" and "while you're at it" about the same subject. It makes no sense.

Maybe for my next proposal. Also, don't say "instead" and "while you're at it" about the same subject. It makes no sense.

It makes perfect sense. You want to discriminate people on some random, arbitrary characteristic then sterilize them.

While you are calling everyone ugly, while don't you just kill everyone instead?

Look, man. I was pointing out a grammatical error, so you could learn from your mistake when I said it makes no sense. BUT! There is a great reason why I shouldn't try to kill the uggos. Sometimes they're funny. Like Sam Kineson. But the point of the sterilization would be to create a nation of beauties, so everyone could strut around naked with no disgusting vomiting going on in the streets. It isn't ugly people's fault they're ugly. But it is their responsibility not to pass down their defect to another generation. Remember those deaf women who wanted to have a deaf kid? That was sick wasn't it? So is uggo reproduction. Just say no to Uggos!

Oh your great and high and mightyness, perhaps I offended you by not using a comma.

All I'm saying is you need a firmer grasp of the English language if you want anyone to respect your arguments.

Okay, specifically, what is wrong with the statement, if you have SUCH a command of language?

Why not just kill people instead while you're at it?

If I was killing people instead of sterilizing them, then I couldn't be "at it", assuming it means sterilizing. You should have chosen to say either "Why not just kill people instead" or "Why not just kill people while you're at it". Understand?

This has been an English PSA from the Grammar Bureau of Scaraba.

Why not just kill people instead while you're at it?

If I was killing people instead of sterilizing them, then I couldn't be "at it", assuming it means sterilizing. You should have chosen to say either "Why not just kill people instead" or "Why not just kill people while you're at it". Understand?

This has been an English PSA from the Grammar Bureau of Scaraba.

Some sadistic people enjoy causing suffering during, before, or after killing things. I guess some people just don't get it.

You can't say both instead and while you're at it! The sentence doesn't make sense! Somebody help me out!

While the proposal is... meh... and grammar points are usually... meh... Scaraba is right.

"Instead" could be rephrased as "as an alternative."
"While you're at it" could be rephrased as "as well."
So the original statement, rephrased like that, would have been "Why not just kill people as an alternative as well?" I hope that makes some sense?

Or, if you prefer, one of those terms is exclusive, and the other is inclusive. They aren't compatible.

Anyway, I concur completely with OP's point. This proposal doesn't have a chance of getting my support.

Thanks, Santin. I had hoped to draft a resolution banning ugly people from sex of all kinds, as the thought disgusts me. Sterilization was a mere compromise. Anyways, hopefully the rest of the world agrees with me on this issue. Only time will tell.

... you sound like those people in that one movie depicting how the nazis decided what to do with the nongermans... should we just sterilize them? should we just throw them elsewhere? what about the ones who are not that ugly? what about their parents, they might make more ugly children?

in the end, well, you know what happened... :P hopefully -.-

... really though, sometimes a physically unattractive person and another physically unattractive person give birth to a physically attractive person.

But, considering a broader definition of ugly, would people of an ugly soul, outlook, thoughts, moral system, or whatever be sterilized as well?

I'm really only interested in physical appearance. Those with ugly souls sometimes have really big gazongas, and I wouldn't mind getting with them. Also, if their souls are just too dark, vigilante justice will take care of it.

why dont you just use the sterilization money to fund cosmetic surgery or something of that sort -.- what, they could still give birth? :P

limiting the gene pool can lead to extremely dangerous results -.- and extremist vanity can kill you -.-

The problem with funding cosmetic surgery is that the ugly genes are still brewing in their reproductive regions. Only sterilization will wipe out the uggos for good.

... what if theyre not completely ugly and have really nice parts like the coolest eye color, the best nose or something .. also would you sterilize the parents of ugly people even if theyre not ugly themselves? coz some good looking couples do get rather unattractive babies -.-

and who's supposed to decide who's ugly and who is not?

although i am not opposed to making everyone somewhere cute and pretty and nice looking -.- i just dont think any human rights should be disregarded in the process -.-

Why not just use a Bene Gesserit type of breeding program intended on creating the ultimately attractive human being? I'm certain some of the 'uggos', as you put them, have the occasional characteristic that grants them merit above the 'beauties'.

As outlined in the proposal, small local councils devoted to beauty would decide. And they'd be very lenient to strict depending on the nation.

what if you visited a nation wherein your face is apparently classified ugly and they zapped you in your sleep ^.^ thatd be a bit ironic :D

I'm not familiar with Bene Gesserit. But the uggos would only be the extreme ugly (no redeeming qualities). If they got some fly features, then they'd probably be allowed to keep on spunkin' (at least in Scaraba).

There will always be flaws in the system (foriegn immigrants that may not meet regional beauty standards sexing up the populace), but for the most part there won't be a prolific uggo population. And no, you can't be sterilized in your sleep. Dick-lomatic immunity. Word.

Your philosophy astounds me.
The Bene Gesserit did a mix of genetic manipulation and prediction through breeding programs. i.e. a long line of albinos was programmed to interbreed with a long line of, oh, say, red heads with sharp features. They would continue the breeding lines until the ultimate design came along. Then they'd use that as a staple figure in other breeding programs, in order to make the, per se, perfect being.

Keep in mind, I've ingested a few substances that aren't exactly legal, so my philosophy might be a little beyond those with less expanded consciousness. The "ideal" human being isn't what we're shooting for here. Just a complete obliteration of uggos. Uma Thurman and Janine Garafolo (spelling?) are both pretty in vastly different ways. But neither are uggos. I'm not trying to create an army of beautiful clones. I'm trying to make the world easier on the eyes.

So...you're saying you'd sterilize Dom DeLuise while keeping George Clooney up and running?

Have you seen the stuff that he does lately? Cartoon voices, cameos, and panelist, that's his resume for the last ten years. Nobody would want to have sex with him anyways. And if they did, nobody would want his kid! Sterilize! As for Georgie, he's a pretty man. He's not a terrible actor. He should be allowed to spread his seed willy nilly.

Have you ever read "Et on tuera tous les affreux" by Boris Vian ? Not sure of the English title - or whether it has been translated at all.

Brief summary : a mad scientist is attempting to breed a species of beautiful humans. I am not disclosing how it turns out. Interesting and moralistic - really worth the read IMHO.

You shouldn't really sterlize the ugly people. But keep them from infecting the beauty population. I mean, no beautiful person should have to do heavy labor and the like. Or something disgusting like shoveling shit or something that has the chance to mar their beauty. I mean, who cares if some fat broad with really bad teeth gets a huge scar across the face, not like it really changes the overall image. But if someone who got the scar used to be beautiful and now is ugly because of it, it was something that could have been avoided of an ugly person had been working that job.

The sterilization of Ugos?

Apperantly Micheal Kelso from That 70's Show has grown up and started reading Mein Kampf

You know, there will always be some uglies around. Even after sterilizing most of them, a kid could pop out of a beautiful couple and grow up to be ugly as sin. THOSE kids would grow to be the manual labor types, provided they ain't geniuses (or Subgeniuses). And also, wouldn't it be hot to see someone like Claudia Schiffer shoveling coal?

"Beauty's Only Skin Deep"- The Temptations

And here's some food for thought from Jimmy Soul:

If You Wanna Be Happy
Jimmy Soul

If you wanna be happy
For the rest of your life,
Never make a pretty woman your wife,
So from my personal point of view,
Get an ugly girl to marry you.

A pretty woman makes her husband look small
And very often causes his downfall.
As soon as he marries her , she starts
To do the things that will break his heart.
But if you make an ugly woman your wife,
You'll be happy for the rest of your life,
An ugly woman cooks her meals on time,
She'll always give you peace of mind.

Don't let your friends say
You have no taste,
Go ahead and marry anyway,
Though her face is ugly,
Her eyes don't match,
Take it from me she's a better catch.

"Say man."
Hey baby.
"Saw your wife the other day."
Yeah?
"Yeah, she's ugly!"
Yeah, she's ugly but she sure can cook.
"Yeah?. Okay."

(Repeat first verse)

What about people with ugly personalities?

To reiterate, this resolution is purely SUPERFICIAL. Only Beautiful people will be able to have kids. Ugly personalities are dependent on one's environment. There's no way to genetically wipe that out. BUT! Ugly faces sure can.

Bumping uglies is a slang term for sex.

Check out the new proposal by the Sultan of Scaraba: It'sa called "Sterilize Uglies". Basically it lays out a system for the mandatory sterilization of ugly people, so they can't have more ugly children. I encourage feedback, but none of that stuff about replacing "uglies" with "jews", because ugly people AREN'T people.

Albert Einstein was ugly. So was Shakespeare (think I spelled that right). For that matter, so was Ghandi, Winston Churchill, and John Cleese. (Funny that I list John Cleese up there with Ghandi and Shakespear) 8)

Generally speaking, ugly people don't have kids anyway, unless there's some other good quality to them, such as humor, or a useful talent, or a brilliant intellect.

And what if you were born good-looking, but had some kind of freak accident (like getting hit with a shovel), and were maimed? You still have the genes for looking good, but you're ugly now.

Besides, I can think of plenty of pretty people who shouldn't reproduce, cause they're dumb as a brick.

I know a ton of uglies that have passed down their hideosity to their offspring. Also, Al wasn't that ugly...I certainly dug his 'do. And, as I've said a million times; I would rather have sex with a beautiful idiot than an ugly genius. But you raise an interesting point with the disfigurement issue. I believe that, since everyone is judged for beauty at a young age, disfigurements wouldn't be an issue. But in any case, the point of the resolution is to wipe out ugly genes. If the maimed can find someone to boink, then by all means, let them fertilize.

John Cleese isn't ugly!

John Cleese is an attractive man. However, Ganjamala would never sterilize anyone. And keeping people from creating a child is the most heinous act of civil rights taking away I've ever heard of!

Ganjamala: While you are probably too stoned to even comprehend this message, keeping uglies from procreating is the only way to get a good level of hotness in this world. Also, ugly people can adopt if they want...It's not like they have no options!

well, hon, you must be very ugly indeed to propose such a resolution

There used to be a lot of very lovely cats on the farm that the titular head of SaintBlandina grew up on. They would frolic and play and were vastly more attractive than any purebred show cat. Then they started having sex with their cousins and it got ugly. Quite seriously ugly. The inbred cats had no discretion for who they had sex with and pretty soon all the cats had distemper and started to die in droves. Because they were inbred.

Do you see where I'm headed with this?

The population of beautiful people is vastly small compared to the population of normal and ugly people. If you sterilize everyone but the beautiful people, you will eventually end up with disabled people. To be horribly politically incorrect, you will have a country populated with redneck hill-folk. Or you'll end with a situation similar to the one experienced by the royal families in Europe: genetic diseases, such as hemophilia and (I think) porphyria. At any rate, undesirable qualities will bred in with the "hotness." Linky: http://www.hemophilia.org/bdi/bdi_history.htm

Besides this, this proposal is in direct violation of the UN's Universal Bill of Rights. (Linky: http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=UN_past_resolutions Search for "Universal Bill of Rights") It's been around for a while, and there is no precedent for breaking it. As a member of the UN, you are bound to respect all rules and regulations passed by the UN. In real life, should a country pass a measure like this and actually implement it, it would be grounds for their ejection from the UN.

In a related tone, you're kinda weird.

Grand Duchess d'Blandine

I see a few problems with this.

1) You get the occasional ugly duckling who doesn't bloom until their twenties. Likewise, pretty people can become ugly when they get older, and I'm talking about natural causes, not just freak accidents. When do you start sterilizing people?

2) In the age of plastic surgery, no one has to be ugly. Have you considered just making plastic surgery mandatory?

3) Ugly people can have pretty kids. Is not having ugly people worth not allowing the most beautiful person ever to be born?

4) What about fat people? They could be pretty if they shed pounds.

Ah, well. I'm sure your proposal addresses all these issues.

What a phenominial waste of time. No one is going to vote for this crap. Well, I did click it. Might as well add my 2 cents. ;)

Who decides who is ugly?
What about the ugly people who turn out good looking later in life?
Are you ugly? I bet ya are.
Who the hell is going to pay for this sterilization? You? I sure as hell am not going to.

Here is a better idea. Ban stupid proposals. This one wont even make it on the board. So far all I have seen is grammar arguements when valid points were raised and obsession with looks. There are other things out there. How about we sterilize stupid people?

My whole reason for playing this game (and yes it is a game) was to make the world a funnier place. People are getting so offended over this proposal, flaming me, calling me ugly (why would I sterilize myself?), that I'm just going to drop it. Don't vote for it if you don't want...But seriously. Lighten up.

why should we get rid of 'ugly' people? they are just as nice and 'beautiful' people. who is ugly? if there are no ugle people, there can be no beautiful people, as there is no contrast.

*ugly

LoreSinger feels that those who speak such ugliness should themselves be sterilized. Consider most babies are ugly at birth (trust me I've had three - and it takes days to work out those wrinkles). Also I'm not "into" plastic Ken and Barbies whose beautiful facades only hold up at a distance -- once you know them, suddenly all the ugly comes out.

Let's treat people as people and quit being superficial.

Maybe because it pisses people off when they are trying to semi-seriously RP and some superficial <insert four lettered word here> comes along and very rudely suggests to sterilize people. I am sure the people out there that are sensitive to their appearance really loved that one. There are forums for that. It is called the Nations States forum. Read the descriptions and go check them out.

You are like the cheerleader at school who got pissed because someone called her on picking on someone. "Like, oh my God, it was just a joke. You need to lighten up!"

Ok, the proposal is mildly funny, until you try to think back on your childhood. Everybody was ugly at some point in their childhood.

Unless, of course, you're still a child, which would explain why you wouldn't remember it.

It's during that time that the ugly people develop wonderful PERSONALITIES so that people want to be around them, ignoring their ugliness (like the popular fat girl in high school who was friends with EVERYBODY) It is also during the childhood stage that all those few-and-far-between children who never had an ugly stage were supposed to develop a personality but didn't, because they DIDN'T HAVE TO. People wanted to be around them anyway (They were the head cheerleaders who were mean but got away with it because nobody was brave enough to stand up to them).

One of the former Emperors of Sadellenar attempted to enact something similar a very long time ago. The uglies didn't like it. The Emperor didn't like it when the uglies flayed him alive and made him eat his skin.

Keep in mind. There are a lot more uglies than pretties out there.

Check out the new proposal by the Sultan of Scaraba: It'sa called "Sterilize Uglies". Basically it lays out a system for the mandatory sterilization of ugly people, so they can't have more ugly children. I encourage feedback, but none of that stuff about replacing "uglies" with "jews", because ugly people AREN'T people.

Well.. who decides what is ugly and beautiful ?

I'm not interested in trying to get this resolution going anymore, but for all the people who post in the UN forum: Please, please, PLEASE! Read the proposal before you ask stupid questions!

I'm not interested in trying to get this resolution going anymore, but for all the people who post in the UN forum: Please, please, PLEASE! Read the proposal before you ask stupid questions!

pwned by the UN. :)

What pap.

I didn't understand either of those two references.

This thread is another testament to the stupidity of the human race. Scaraba, in an effort to bring a little brightness into this war-torn world, started a little joke. Then some whiny little feminazi-types started complaining about wah wah wah. Get over it. NationStates is a game. If Scaraba wants to snip some virtual tubes and spread this enlightened practice to the less-civilized nations of the world, then I think we should all thank him, and give him large sums of cash, preferably in wad form.

Hmm, well I guess there are some inherent proboems with the plan or sterilization of so called "ugly" people. First and foremost being, that (and to be cliche) "beauty is in the eye of the beholder." What might be ugle to one, woudln't be to the next. If you looked at every human being in the universe, I bet you could find someone who thought he or she was reasonably good looking.

Edit: typo :?

Edit2: mis-tpyed "typo" :? :?

This thread is another testament to the stupidity of the human race. Scaraba, in an effort to bring a little brightness into this war-torn world, started a little joke. Then some whiny little feminazi-types started complaining about wah wah wah. Get over it. NationStates is a game. If Scaraba wants to snip some virtual tubes and spread this enlightened practice to the less-civilized nations of the world, then I think we should all thank him, and give him large sums of cash, preferably in wad form.

Ironically, you're going "wah wah wah" over people going "wah wah wah" over a joke.

Yeah. So quit your bitching over our bitching. Go turn Limbaugh back on. You are stealing his quotes.

This thread is another testament to the stupidity of the human race. Scaraba, in an effort to bring a little brightness into this war-torn world, started a little joke. Then some whiny little feminazi-types started complaining about wah wah wah. Get over it. NationStates is a game. If Scaraba wants to snip some virtual tubes and spread this enlightened practice to the less-civilized nations of the world, then I think we should all thank him, and give him large sums of cash, preferably in wad form.

Life is merely a game and we are all but pawns.

Fool! Your proposal reaks of ignorance and inconsistency! First of all, Eugenics shouldn't be applied to "ugly" people, it should (if used at all) be applied to foolish/idiotic people. By sterilizing ugly people regardless of intellect you could accidentally kill an Albert Einstein, or an Aristotle, (who could be the children of the "ugly person)and lose one of the greatest minds the world has ever seen. If you live in a world where there are no "ugly" people than the surviving "beautiful" people are going to become insecure and label even more people ugly, etc. ad infinitum. This will go on until everyone is dead due to underpopulation.

Due to sexual selection, ugly people keep themselves out of the genepool.

Besides, every country has different ideas of attractiveness. It would be counterproductive for Letila to sterilize narrow-hipped women and another country to sterilize wide-hipped women because they have different standards of beauty.

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Kûk‡xenisi n!ok‡x'osi xno-k‡xek‡emi.
The state only exists to serve itself.
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
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I'm male. Note the pic
of attractive women.

You might as well just spay or neuter you children if they're not attractive. Whats the point of having offspring exept to carry on the family name and the family traits? C'mon, if your son was ugly, would you cut off his balls? I don't think so, and if you have some sort of procedure to get rid of the genes classified as "uglies", you'll be getting rid of the purpose of the word family. :roll:

im ugly, i like my semen, its all opinion anyway, not cool.