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exactly my point. why have a bill that gives hippos awareness on christmas? (check your calender)

we need to focus on more important topics. let me give you some examples. world peace, health care, human rights.

that is why i would like to propose a bill to stop such time-wasters.

also, if you support my cause, please vote yes on the poll.

thanks,
zorro

what i can't believe is that the Hippo awareness topic even got approved for debate. what is the UN coming to when topics such as this is what is considered for debate? :evil:

the requirments to propose, and get a propsal approved, should be increased!

Zorroland, your proposed bill frankly offends me. There have been many, many UN resolutions. How many of them have been concerned with 'frivolous' matters? (And for the record, I consider the Hippo bill an essential bit of leglislation, but I accept some people may consider it slightly light hearted.) And out of all the resolutions that have been passed, only this one has been truly and gloriously pointless. But yet, because of one bill, you are proposing this draconian piece of legislation? I agree that focusing on more important topics is a good idea - WHAT DO YOU THINK THE UN HAS BEEN DOING IN EVERY SINGLE OTHER RESOLUTION EVER?

As I understand it, the entire point of the Hippo bill is to deal with attitudes like the one expressed in this thread. Remember folks, the NationStates UN only affects the people who are a part of this website. And, while there are certainly pressing matters in the real world, delaying them a bit to have a little fun won't cause any damage in the NationStates universe.

This is a game, so have some fun with it. If you can't sit back and laugh at a hippo joke every now and again, then perhaps you're taking thispretend government thing a bit too seriously.

Zorroland, I sure hope you're not saying that hippos are not big because brother they are huge!!

I agree with the delegate from Zorroland. This Hippo Bill is an outrageous waste of the U.N.'s time. Who approved this ridiculous proposal in the first place?

UN Ambassador Ivon Millente

I am quite happy that this new proposal will be making history, the first proposal to be rejected.

I am quite happy that this new proposal will be making history, the first proposal to be rejected.

Not the first by a long shot, but I, too, am glad to see it going.

exactly my point. why have a bill that gives hippos awareness on christmas? (check your calender)

we need to focus on more important topics. let me give you some examples. world peace, health care, human rights.

that is why i would like to propose a bill to stop such time-wasters.

also, if you support my cause, please vote yes on the poll.

thanks,
zorro

It is insulting that you would set up a list of the most imprtant liberal events, and kil off any proposal that doesn't make your top 10. Hippos are imprtant. The other issues are not up to vote. Why fracture the liberal move for freedom of life and happiness by whining "this isn't this or that, it could be that or this."

Instead, you should push that we honor the life of the hippo AND we push for "world peace, health care, human rights." It is not a waste of time to vote in favor of this socially postive proposal. It is a waste of time not to vote for it because it isn't the socially postive proposal that you submitted.


Please, for the sake of the proposal up for vote, vote in favor of this proposal, as well as the ones you mentioned. Otherwise you waste time doing nothing, instead of what you could.

I am quite happy that this new proposal will be making history, the first proposal to be rejected.

Not the first by a long shot, but I, too, am glad to see it going.

I meant the first viewable one in the history :P

One thing that has been proven is how few people actually read. This has ben shown through the more then half-dozen threads against this bill. I mean, why post on someone's else thread (i.e. have a discussion) when you can simply tell others your opinion? The other thing is that this is really not about Hippos, but about all wildlife.

A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry.


Category: Environmental Industry Affected: All Businesses Proposed by: The Orion Nebula

Anything else in that proposal is a waste of electrons. I vote down this resolution as a waste of our time. Sorry The Orion Nebula.

If it really were meant as a serious resolution contra pollution and pro environment, wildlife, 't could have been worked out in another way, in my very very humble opinion. Resolutions which are proposed in this way will be looked upon as a joke and therefore will be voted 'against' by Yours Truely.

The fifteen seconds that you "wasted" reading this bill and voting on it were at least tripled by the time wasted in starting a forum thread to whine. The bill may be silly, but it is important. The process of bringing this bill to the whole UN underscored the problems in the NationStates system, by which mods use undue influence to shape the game in the fashion they desire. The outcome of this vote is actually fairly inconsequential, but the fact that it was brought to vote at all is a step towards greater freedom to use the institutions of the game freely.

It is insulting that you would set up a list of the most imprtant liberal events, and kil off any proposal that doesn't make your top 10. Hippos are imprtant. The other issues are not up to vote. Why fracture the liberal move for freedom of life and happiness by whining "this isn't this or that, it could be that or this."

Instead, you should push that we honor the life of the hippo AND we push for "world peace, health care, human rights." It is not a waste of time to vote in favor of this socially postive proposal. It is a waste of time not to vote for it because it isn't the socially postive proposal that you submitted.


Please, for the sake of the proposal up for vote, vote in favor of this proposal, as well as the ones you mentioned. Otherwise you waste time doing nothing, instead of what you could.

No. Sorry, no. If this were about hippos, I would probably vote yes, if I had taxes to spare; but I don't, and it isn't.

The hippo resolution is specifically designed to hurt business, raise taxes, and create confusion -- notice the sneaky phrases like the inclusion of "other creatures" -- does that include crop-killing fungi, or HIV? And ultimately, will it decrease our civil liberties if we force people to give up the celebration of a well-known religious holiday every few years in favour of a state holiday? Ultimately, will that cost so much that our environments will slide anyway?

Vote no. There are many ways our tax dollars can be used to help both business and nature, and this isn't one of them.

Dendrys....do you seriously consider HIV to be a creature? And I figured that "creatures" implied animals or mammals, and not plants. If this proposal is purely to hurt businesses....how does having an average income tax of 100% *not* hurt businesses? You talk of raising taxes, but even I have lower income tax, and I'm a tyrant. Perhaps you should rethink a few things, or be a little more self-concious. If you have a 100% income tax rate, and you are saying you haven't got enough money, then something is wrong, from my viewpoint.

well, after reading through this thread, I have decided that a hell of a lot of people need to get a sense of humour.

This bill has nothing to do with politics in truth. It is just someone who is actually up for a laugh and realises that Nationstates is just a game with no real-life consequences at all.

Those of you who are protesting about this bill being about raising taxes, have a look at the telegram my Delegate was sent by The Orion Nebula when the bill was being voted in as the new proposal:

Please consider the "HIPPOS ARE BIG" proposal currently on the floor of the UN. I think you will agree that it is worthy of your endorsement. Should you endorse the proposal, you can count on my support for your future endeavors. Thanks for your time, and always remember that hippos enjoy stuffing themselves with oatmeal. That is why they are so big and spend so much time in the bathroom.

now, if that is not the words of a person who is able to look at life and laugh, I don't know what is.

I repeat: get a sense of humour, the lot of you

I agree full heartedly with Zorroland. We are allowed one proposal a week and what is it wasted on? HIPPOS! Of all the things in the WORLD to waste a proposal on.....we are the UN, are concern must be on human well-being, dismantling armies, tying to keep George Bush from killing us all, not debating the largeness of Hippos. I say we make sure such dumbfoundry is never done again! Zorroland, you have my vote in ANNHILATING the ability of anyone to make such a stupid proposal in place of ones that have importance! :evil: Oh, and if The Orion Nebula is listening in, WHAT WERE YOU THINKING MAN!?! WHAT WERE YOU THINKING!?!?!

What's the problem with a little bit of fun? I do agree however, that the hippo resolution is quite stupid.

Oh, and if The Orion Nebula is listening in, WHAT WERE YOU THINKING MAN!?! WHAT WERE YOU THINKING!?!?!

Huge happy hippos hop happily for the holidays. Hedgehogs hide, hidden in hideyholes.

As a matter of fact I just today posted a proposal concerning Serious Proposals.

As a matter of fact I just today posted a proposition concerning Serious Proposals.

As a matter of fact I just today posted a proposition concerning Serious Proposals.

We are allowed one proposal a week and what is it wasted on? HIPPOS!

For the roughly nine zillionth time, this is a bogus argument. There are no other proposals that have reached quorum, so if you didn't have old hippos to kick around, the only thing you'd have to talk about is the lack of proposals to talk about.

Also you must consider that hippos can drive race cars. Since they are such strict environmentalists, these cars run on pure hydrogen fuel and the tires are built entirely out of hippo poop.

Paul Newman is a hippo.

i will have to consider my position in the UN if any more such stupid bills are to be debated. :shock:
I can understand that endangered animals are a serious issue but the HIPPO BILL
come on, sort it out. :evil:

I propose a bill that allows bills to viewed before the debate stage and then voted on, so only sensible ones make it into the debate in the main UN area.

I also agree that the hippo bill is a waist of time. thats what i get when i read the resolution suggestion>>:tantrum:

[ooc: I had originally written a very thorough, fully IC post explaining my opposition to the resolution on technical grounds. I oppose it on other grounds OOCly, but Lord Evif doesn't know that :P. When I was about two words away from completion, I inadvertantly hit "Refresh" and my post was lost. I may retype it later in its entirety, but here's an overview.]

There are four operative clauses in this resolution. I oppose the first, strongly support the second, am in technical disagreement with the third, and don't really care about the fourth, as it is non-binding. I find myself in technical disagreement with this resolution, and have voted accordingly. However, I do support the principles behind the resolution and commend the observer from The Orion Nebula for attempting to bring the important topic of environmental conservation to this body's attention. Furthermore, if this resolution was not the pending business, there would be no resolution at vote - not a more substative one.

Lord Evif, Goobergunchian UN Ambassador
Founder of the DU Region

I (my UN puppet) read the resolution thoroughly, noted it, gave a tiny chuckle, and voted NO. Just because a resolution is *slightly* humorous does not mean it must be voted into action.

and yes, I do have a sense of humor :P

I propose a bill that allows bills to viewed before the debate stage and then voted on, so only sensible ones make it into the debate in the main UN area.

What did I just say?
Look at the first bill on page 19. It isn't the most well done proposition ever but it works.

Dendrys....do you seriously consider HIV to be a creature? And I figured that "creatures" implied animals or mammals, and not plants. If this proposal is purely to hurt businesses....how does having an average income tax of 100% *not* hurt businesses? You talk of raising taxes, but even I have lower income tax, and I'm a tyrant. Perhaps you should rethink a few things, or be a little more self-concious. If you have a 100% income tax rate, and you are saying you haven't got enough money, then something is wrong, from my viewpoint.

1. It doesn't matter what I consider to be a creature. The resolution does not make clear what constitutes a creature.

2. I have 100% income tax because I was a UN member for six months. My other nation had a tax rate of 28% when I made the same decisions on issues in both nations. Now I've resigned and have made a puppet nation so that Dendrys doesn't have to pay for madness like Hippo Day.

The rest of you: this would be funny if it weren’t also designed (look at the subtitle!) to hurt business. If you want to submit a resolution more like,

WHEREAS, a shark is like a cucumber in every way except colour; and

WHEREAS, when Robinson Crusoe saw the sharks coming, he stated “Here come the sharks”; and

WHEREAS, Friday was colourblind;

THEREFORE, when Friday saw the sharks coming, he said “Here come the cucumbers.”

...then fine, that’s genuinely pointless. It doesn’t promise to do things to Dendrys that Dendrys doesn’t want done.

I would love to see a resolution whereby initiators of failed resolutions are executed for wasting the UN's time. I think that would make people put a little more effort into deciding whether or not trying to launch an "Outlaw Fossil Fuels" campaign would be the best plan.

This proposal beats it hands down. A resolution to tighten OR relax gun control? WTF? Isn't there some UN proposal slush pile that these can be outright dumped over to?

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Can my kid take a gun to skool
A resolution to tighten or relax gun control laws.


Category: Gun Control Decision: Relax Proposed by: Shaggy 2 dope
Description: I think its about time that children could take guns to school aslong as they are walking back from school by them selves just incase of certain odd ball men.

Approvals: 10 (The Moley Mug, Pictor Ignotus, Anxiety and stress, Shaggy 2 dope, Freshmanism, ACM, Benlandia, Tsyu Tsaere, Grand Master Kafka, Konefal)

Status: Lacking Support (requires 124 more approvals)

Voting Ends: Tue Dec 16 2003

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