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Please approve of this propsal. Please help me gain support in doing so, by telling other delegates to approve of it.
Here it is word for word: It is titled: Protect he Unborn.

Science has proven that a cell is living, therefore when two cells come together to form another cell, than that cell is also living.
So therefore, abortions are hereby illegal. The only time a female may have an abortion is when she is either raped, or the development of the embryo would cause the female to die.
If a female has an illegal abortion, than the female hereby maybe terminated for destroying another one's life.

I think that abortions should be allowed BUT only before the first 25 weeks of pregnancy. So i'm with it if that is how it will be.

First of all, a female is the one who must carry the child within them for nine months, possibly less. Regardless, it is imperative that it is the woman's choice whether or not they should wish to carry this child with them or not.

Second, yes, the cells are living, but it is not considered alive unless it takes it's first breath of air on it's own.

Third, no one has the right to tell a woman she must have a child.

Moreover, does it make the situation right if you end the life of another person, for not giving birth to their child? It is an absurd idea, not to be rude, but it is not probable at all, for it strikes one too many contraversial subject.....abortion, and the death penalty, even woman's rights.

Isn't living and alive the exact same thing. It is not right to kill a living thing. So for the person who siad it is not alive because it does not breath. But than should kill everybody on life support because they cannot breath on there own. How about people who need oxygen tanks in order to live. Shame on you.

How whould you like it if you were aborted? The baby is alive and it too has the same rights as those born. If anything id say that the only time a mother should abort a child if when she might die giving birth. And even if abortions are still legal, then perhaps its time to give the father a choice as well, the baby is 50% of him as well, so therefore both parents should agree to the abortion. I'm tired of the sick and twisted people who abort their children just because they dont have a little responsibility for their own actions. You screw up, you face the consequences of your actions. Im tired of this new age of children not doing what needs to be done, which is caring about others, not just themselves.

Abortion is murder, and giving only the mother the rights to decide an abortion is unfair representation. Would you like it if your mother aborted your sister? Your brother? Or you? what if your wife aborted your child? Abortion is the easy, lazy way out for slackers.

I hesitate to call anyone pro-life.

More along the lines of pro-birth.

So we force people to have children, banning abortion...then what? We will have to step in and help those not suitable and/or not ready to parent a child, along with those who are not able to.

Likewise, our already full orphanages will simply become more crowded, all in the name of pro-birth.

There are many more issues that must be solved before we can even begin considering the idea of a global, universal, non-medical ban on abortion.

Catholic Europe is fully against abortions. We believe that abortion is murder and that to commit an abortion is an evil sin indeed.

I hesitate to call anyone pro-life.

More along the lines of pro-birth.

So we force people to have children, banning abortion...then what? We will have to step in and help those not suitable and/or not ready to parent a child, along with those who are not able to.

Likewise, our already full orphanages will simply become more crowded, all in the name of pro-birth.

There are many more issues that must be solved before we can even begin considering the idea of a global, universal, non-medical ban on abortion.

We do not need to educate people on how to parent. That to me would be the most wasted government spent money. If you need to help people parent, than leave it up to the private companies out there to do so. This would not increase taxes at all or government spending, but would still help thoes in need.

if all cells are a live then would killing a bug people murder. SAVE THE FLIES!!!!!

but back on topic I do belive it is a woman choice

I am talking about cells which in time become human, this is not about bugs or other animals. We do not have laws which hinder your ability to kill animals and in this propsal no where does it say that you cannot kill animals. I refer an animal to anything which is not a human.

I am talking about cells which in time become human, this is not about bugs or other animals. We do not have laws which hinder your ability to kill animals and in this propsal no where does it say that you cannot kill animals. I refer an animal to anything which is not a human.

I hesitate to call anyone pro-life.

More along the lines of pro-birth.

So we force people to have children, banning abortion...then what? We will have to step in and help those not suitable and/or not ready to parent a child, along with those who are not able to.

Likewise, our already full orphanages will simply become more crowded, all in the name of pro-birth.

There are many more issues that must be solved before we can even begin considering the idea of a global, universal, non-medical ban on abortion.

We do not need to educate people on how to parent. That to me would be the most wasted government spent money. If you need to help people parent, than leave it up to the private companies out there to do so. This would not increase taxes at all or government spending, but would still help thoes in need.

That wasn't my point. I wasn't talking about education. I was talking about building up an infrastructure to support those that are truly being forced into having children so that there are others available to take care of the child when the time comes.

It has nothing to do with education.

but you said is was murder to have a abortion cause you are killing a living cell. When you said it did not having anything to with it. Some people say is has nothing to do with murder when kill a embryo. So I was making a point that you can't just call it murder because it is killing a cell.

The Holy Republic of Kasaru strongly opposes taking away the woman's right of choice-doing so would is every bit as vile as murder in the eyes of our nation's people. Besides, consider this: If abortions are banned, then illegal abortion clinics will spring up, and without any regulation to them, there would be dire consiquences all around.

Science has proven that a cell is living, therefore when two cells come together to form another cell, than that cell is also living.
So therefore, abortions are hereby illegal.
Under this logic, it would also be illegal to treat cancer, as the cancerous cells are living, and treating the cancer would kill the cancerous cells.

If a female has an illegal abortion, than the female hereby may be terminated for destroying another one's life.
If it is wrong to kill a clump of developing cells, then is it any more right to kill a grown, matured, human being? Ponder that for awhile.

We of Chumba, think that it is the persons personal right to choose for them selves whether or not they choose to have an abortion or not.

So what happens if your parents decided to kill you before you were born. Would you like it? Just because somebody makes a mistake, does not mean we should help them.

The only time a female may have an abortion is when she is either raped, or the development of the embryo would cause the female to die.
If a female has an illegal abortion, than the female hereby maybe terminated for destroying another one's life.

How do you prove beyond a reasonable doubt that a fetus is the product of a rape before the point when abortion is no longer an option? You can't. Therefore the people of Galdon3 are in full support of a woman's right to choose.

So what happens if your parents decided to kill you before you were born. Would you like it?

Got to love these "If you were aborted, I betcha you'd change your tune" geniuses. :roll: (No, I wouldn't "like it" because there wouldn't be a me to "like it" or to "dislike it", ya idjits.)

When my mother was pregnant with me, her doctor told her that she wasn't likely to survive the birth. She decided to go ahead anyway; as a result of that choice, she has numerous medical complications today. She also has me.

Is she glad that she chose as she did? Quite so.

Am I glad to be alive? Indeed.

Do I think that she had a right to choose whether or not to go ahead with her pregnancy? Absolutely.

Abortions can be done at any tri-semster, trust I am a full time Medicial Doctor, you are pretty stupid when you argue with no facts to support your statements. Plus if anything, shouldn't the man who helped create the fetus also get a say on abortion, because biology has proven that it is half of the male.

Abortions can be done at any tri-semster, trust I am a full time Medicial Doctor, you are pretty stupid when you argue with no facts to support your statements. Plus if anything, shouldn't the man who helped create the fetus also get a say on abortion, because biology has proven that it is half of the male.

why should the man have a say. Is he caring the babing and his womb NO does he give birth to it NO So it should be the woman choice only.

Abortions can be done at any tri-semster, trust I am a full time Medicial Doctor, you are pretty stupid when you argue with no facts to support your statements. Plus if anything, shouldn't the man who helped create the fetus also get a say on abortion, because biology has proven that it is half of the male.

Forgive me. I never meant to imply that abortions can't be performed at any trimester, I was saying that there should be a point when abortions will no longer be administered save for extreme cases.

Oh, and if you are going to complain about me not using facts to support my statements, I'm sure I can dig up some of your posts where you used no fact.

Abortions can be done at any tri-semster, trust I am a full time Medicial Doctor

I'd be pretty reluctant to trust a 'doctor' who doesn't know the term "trimester".

Give me some slack, just because I have a typo dose not mean you should blow up at me. And for Galdon3, no is complaining that I have not used facts in my posts. Plus since I am a doctor I can simply cite myself. Thank you for your stupidy.

Give me some slack, just because I have a typo dose not mean you should blow up at me. And for Galdon3, no is complaining that I have not used facts in my posts. Plus since I am a doctor I can simply cite myself. Thank you for your stupidy.

If you wish to call me stupid, prove it, Doctor. And people who cite themselves are almost never listened to. Even Einstein and Newton based their ideas off of the works of others.

Why should I even try to ask you a question to prove you stupid. You will just look up the answer on-line and then tell me the answer. What do you think I am stupid? You are must likely a janitor.

Why should I even try to ask you a question to prove you stupid. You will just look up the answer on-line and then tell me the answer. What do you think I am stupid? You are must likely a janitor.

Interesting how you seem to have chosen this as your insult for the day. Do you have something against janitors? Janitors can be quite smart, you know.


EDIT: I should stop typing so quickly; it causes too many typos.

FIFOKAL supports what its name impliens Featuses In Favor Of Keeping Abortion Legal. carlemnaria supports FIFOKAL.
abortions are seldom performed in our land however as not only does the herb limporlaf grow wild in the forest uplands of our domestic watersupplies, releasing the enzime porlviv into our domestic water supplies and lowering human firtility accross the board (and we strongly encourage other nations to plant it), but all children upon reaching the age of puberty are given periodic injections of another strong antifertility agent except during the two year intereducational sabatical known as pujzush. upon graduation from upper school permenant spay and neuter is available at no cost. thus it is extremely rare that an unplaned pregnancy occurs.

ru486 is of course available over the counter at all health clinics as are norplant injectors (including the everpopular male norplant called deball) and iud's. (though for the latter the assistance and advise of skilled physicians is strongly recomended)

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Must likely if you are a janitor than you never went to college to futher your education. Therefore I am smarter than them. :idea:

Must likely if you are a janitor than you never went to college to futher your education. Therefore I am smarter than them. :idea:

Get over yourself, please. Can we get back to the real issue now?

What are you afaid of Galdon3. Oh wait, you are losing the argument. But I will grant your wish to get back on topic. :roll:

If you're going to get back on topic then do it! Refute the last argument that was made in favor of abortion.

Abortions can be done at any tri-semster, trust I am a full time Medicial Doctor, you are pretty stupid when you argue with no facts to support your statements. Plus if anything, shouldn't the man who helped create the fetus also get a say on abortion, because biology has proven that it is half of the male.

Wow, the big doctor man knows enough biology to teach us kiddies that a fetus has a combination of the parents' genetic material! Would have never guessed that one myself. :roll: You're providing us with the biggest pro-abortion argument anyone could ask for, just shush.

Why should I even try to ask you a question to prove you stupid. You will just look up the answer on-line and then tell me the answer. What do you think I am stupid? You are must likely a janitor.

Okay, "doctor", what is Taycardia?

Why should I even try to ask you a question to prove you stupid. You will just look up the answer on-line and then tell me the answer. What do you think I am stupid? You are must likely a janitor.

Okay, "doctor", what is Taycardia?

Duh, Taycardia is what you get when you sleep with raccoons! Isn't it? Um... ::slowly edges away whistling::

if abortion is murder then what is war, hunger and curable deieses. Why kill people and definatly alive people over war. Why deprive people of food creating a painful death which often kills babies of malnutioned mothers. A malaria tablet to cure malaria is 12 cents, we can aford that.
If you call everything murder then the above is murder. And many are to inocent children especially malaria, and in slow painful ways.

Give me some slack, just because I have a typo dose not mean you should blow up at me. And for Galdon3, no is complaining that I have not used facts in my posts. Plus since I am a doctor I can simply cite myself. Thank you for your stupidy.

Have you ever actually attended college? Then you'll know that you can't cite yourself in works...

"Abortion is wrong..." Because I agree with myself... (be kinda freaky otherwise huh?)

Global Market, I seriously doubt the legitimacy of our "Doctor" friend. So far his arguments have consisted of "You're stupid, you must be a janitor." Any doctor who hopes to get out of a malpractice suit should be able to formulate arguments better than that.

And, back on topic, my question about how you plan to take a DNA sample from an undeveloped fetus has yet to be answered.

if abortion is murder then what is war, hunger and curable deieses. Why kill people and definatly alive people over war. Why deprive people of food creating a painful death which often kills babies of malnutioned mothers. A malaria tablet to cure malaria is 12 cents, we can aford that.
If you call everything murder then the above is murder. And many are to inocent children especially malaria, and in slow painful ways.

No, there is no cure for malaria.

You're thinking of diarreha. The cure for that is basically sugar water with a bit of sodium (like Gatorade). Though you can call it "Oral Rehydration Salts" if you want to sound sophisticated.

Global Market, I seriously doubt the legitimacy of our "Doctor" friend. So far his arguments have consisted of "You're stupid, you must be a janitor." Any doctor who hopes to get out of a malpractice suit should be able to formulate arguments better than that.

Speaking of which, I'm a lawyer! No, not really, but I watch The Practice :lol:. And I could probably feign legal competency better than Nucular can feign medical competency, but that's not saying much :lol:.

I believe the woman haws no choice regardless of the circumstances (except if she and the baby will in birth, then and only then can she have an abortion). I do not believe that people should take children's lives ever (the breath of air thing on living or not is done in China. You want to know what they do to abort babies over there? I'll tell you. When the baby's head comes out of the mother they stab it in the head and afterwords they sell the body parts on the worlds body part/organ market, Overhere they kill the children by sucking the baby out in vacuum-like tube-thing a painful experience for the child....that being said...) Even if the mother was a victim of rape she should still give birth and then put the child up for adoption. and on the topic of the infastructure thing the problem with that is people would not have the abortions if they'd use birth control pills and condoms... a.k.a. safe sex (I think thats wrong too sex should only be done inside marriage).And please no call me names as i've seen done in the past posts

if abortion is murder then what is war, hunger and curable deieses. Why kill people and definatly alive people over war. Why deprive people of food creating a painful death which often kills babies of malnutioned mothers. A malaria tablet to cure malaria is 12 cents, we can aford that.
If you call everything murder then the above is murder. And many are to inocent children especially malaria, and in slow painful ways.

No, there is no cure for malaria.

You're thinking of diarreha. The cure for that is basically sugar water with a bit of sodium (like Gatorade). Though you can call it "Oral Rehydration Salts" if you want to sound sophisticated.

Diarrhea, malaria, it's all the SAME! They just want you to think there's a difference so you'll buy their basketball shoes made in Pakistan for a 1600% profit. You're all fools to not have seen it! Now, where's my toad hat?

Don't worry, Cleverusers, I only throw insults at people who have proven they deserve it. However, I am more than willing to attempt to poke holes in your argument. Firstly, the abortion we are talking about is not one where we stab a baby in the head as it's coming out. That's just barbaric. Secondly, can you prove that "sucking the baby out in vacuum-like tube-thing" is in fact painful for the embryo?

if abortion is murder then what is war, hunger and curable deieses. Why kill people and definatly alive people over war. Why deprive people of food creating a painful death which often kills babies of malnutioned mothers. A malaria tablet to cure malaria is 12 cents, we can aford that.
If you call everything murder then the above is murder. And many are to inocent children especially malaria, and in slow painful ways.

No, there is no cure for malaria.

You're thinking of diarreha. The cure for that is basically sugar water with a bit of sodium (like Gatorade). Though you can call it "Oral Rehydration Salts" if you want to sound sophisticated.
I believe there is, but the rest of my argument serves just as well. Please tell me that hunger is curable.

if abortion is murder then what is war, hunger and curable deieses. Why kill people and definatly alive people over war. Why deprive people of food creating a painful death which often kills babies of malnutioned mothers. A malaria tablet to cure malaria is 12 cents, we can aford that.
If you call everything murder then the above is murder. And many are to inocent children especially malaria, and in slow painful ways.

No, there is no cure for malaria.

You're thinking of diarreha. The cure for that is basically sugar water with a bit of sodium (like Gatorade). Though you can call it "Oral Rehydration Salts" if you want to sound sophisticated.

Diarrhea, malaria, it's all the SAME! They just want you to think there's a difference so you'll buy their basketball shoes made in Pakistan for a 1600% profit. You're all fools to not have seen it! Now, where's my toad hat?

No it's not. Diarreha affects the average person eight or nine times in a year and has a basically 0% fatality rate in nations with a per capita GDP above $2,500. Malaria, on the other hand... we'll I was born in East Asia and my upper arm is scarred for life with a tumor-like growth that comes from the shot all the infants in East Asia get for Malaria because that can actually kill you.

if abortion is murder then what is war, hunger and curable deieses. Why kill people and definatly alive people over war. Why deprive people of food creating a painful death which often kills babies of malnutioned mothers. A malaria tablet to cure malaria is 12 cents, we can aford that.
If you call everything murder then the above is murder. And many are to inocent children especially malaria, and in slow painful ways.

No, there is no cure for malaria.

You're thinking of diarreha. The cure for that is basically sugar water with a bit of sodium (like Gatorade). Though you can call it "Oral Rehydration Salts" if you want to sound sophisticated.
I believe there is, but the rest of my argument serves just as well. Please tell me that hunger is curable.

Well, there are certain metabolic disorders that can lead you to starve to death even if you eat all the food in the world (really, really advanced Diabetes does this and some other things), just like how a fish will suffocate and die of oxygen deprivation outside of water after a while even though it is surrounded by the oxygen-rich air.

But Dr. Nucular probably knows more about this than me with my lowly high school biology class :lol:

No it's not. Diarreha affects the average person eight or nine times in a year and has a basically 0% fatality rate in nations with a per capita GDP above $2,500. Malaria, on the other hand... we'll I was born in East Asia and my upper arm is scarred for life with a tumor-like growth that comes from the shot all the infants in East Asia get for Malaria because that can actually kill you.


The shoe companies got another one. :?

No it's not. Diarreha affects the average person eight or nine times in a year and has a basically 0% fatality rate in nations with a per capita GDP above $2,500. Malaria, on the other hand... we'll I was born in East Asia and my upper arm is scarred for life with a tumor-like growth that comes from the shot all the infants in East Asia get for Malaria because that can actually kill you.


The shoe companies got another one. :?

lol :lol:

what is this discussion about anyway? :?

what is this discussion about anyway? :?

what is this discussion about anyway? :?

Something about a combination crematorium/BBQ grill. Hey, that's a great idea! Thanks Zervok, I think I'ma make that into a franchise!

what is this discussion about anyway? :?

Something about doctors and shoe companies.

what is this discussion about anyway? :?

Something about a combination crematorium/BBQ grill. Hey, that's a great idea! Thanks Zervok, I think I'ma make that into a franchise!
no problem I say that in every discusion. OH whats it going to be called, I want to come.

what is this discussion about anyway? :?

Something about a combination crematorium/BBQ grill. Hey, that's a great idea! Thanks Zervok, I think I'ma make that into a franchise!

The Crematory :).

what is this discussion about anyway? :?

Something about doctors and shoe companies.
Dr. Scholls, perhaps... ::scratches chin::

what is this discussion about anyway? :?

Something about doctors and shoe companies.
Dr. Scholls, perhaps... ::scratches chin::
lol :lol:

what is this discussion about anyway? :?

Something about a combination crematorium/BBQ grill. Hey, that's a great idea! Thanks Zervok, I think I'ma make that into a franchise!
no problem I say that in every discusion. OH whats it going to be called, I want to come.

Uncle Skullzz's BBQ and Funeral Home. It's great for getting fresh cooked uncles, or for when you want to pay your last respects to that rack of beef ribs.

dont like ribs, but still like the idea

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dont like ribs, but still like the idea

:shock: Sounds like a severe case of diarrhea. Might wanna ask The Global Market about that, he got a shot for it or sumptin...

dont like ribs, but still like the idea

:shock: Sounds like a severe case of diarrhea. Might wanna ask The Global Market about that, he got a shot for it or sumptin...
no i just ate too much :)

dont like ribs, but still like the idea

:shock: Sounds like a severe case of diarrhea. Might wanna ask The Global Market about that, he got a shot for it or sumptin...
no i just ate too much :)

All you can eat neighbors at Uncle Skullzz's! :wink:

I believe the woman haws no choice regardless of the circumstances (except if she and the baby will in birth, then and only then can she have an abortion). I do not believe that people should take children's lives ever (the breath of air thing on living or not is done in China. You want to know what they do to abort babies over there? I'll tell you. When the baby's head comes out of the mother they stab it in the head and afterwords they sell the body parts on the worlds body part/organ market, Overhere they kill the children by sucking the baby out in vacuum-like tube-thing a painful experience for the child....that being said...) Even if the mother was a victim of rape she should still give birth and then put the child up for adoption. and on the topic of the infastructure thing the problem with that is people would not have the abortions if they'd use birth control pills and condoms... a.k.a. safe sex (I think thats wrong too sex should only be done inside marriage).And please no call me names as i've seen done in the past posts

This why we need to make abortions illegal. Would the Global Market get off the topic of what you ate. How many of you men out there would like to have a say, if the baby is going to be aborted

This why we need to make abortions illegal. Would the Global Market get off the topic of what you ate. How many of you men out there would like to have a say, if the baby is going to be aborted

Welcome to Uncle Skullzz's BBQ Crematorium, are you ready to order?

This why we need to make abortions illegal. Would the Global Market get off the topic of what you ate. How many of you men out there would like to have a say, if the baby is going to be aborted

Welcome to Uncle Skullzz's BBQ Crematorium, are you ready to order?

You are sick and I hope your brains get sucked out and sold.

You are sick and I hope your brains get sucked out and sold.

No, I'm fine. The Global Market is the one with... what was it he had.... Polio? Wait no, thats the one with the horses and mallets... OH! Malaria, that's the one. Silly me, how could I forget that he got the runs? :lol:

If the baby is going to be born with an empty cavity in its skull or something, abortion is morally justified. But under no other circumstances.

If the baby is going to be born with an empty cavity in its skull or something, abortion is morally justified. But under no other circumstances.

Are you trying to insinuate something about me? Because I don't find it one bit funny! :? OK, maybe I do find it one bit funny... but that's the ONLY bit!

If the baby is going to be born with an empty cavity in its skull or something, abortion is morally justified. But under no other circumstances.

I second that.