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I implore you, nations of the world, do not forget the terrible happenings of our world within the past few years. worldwide terrorism is on the rise; the only proven way to divulge information from these despicable terrorists is torture. don't roll back the clock on this one people, the fate of the free world may rest in the failure of this amendment! remember people, holding hands and singing kumbaya will not stop these monsters. they only respond to swift punishment.

Why is torture the only method usable?

Why should we act like they do with our prisoners just because we want information? The nation of Citronnia does not tolerate terrorism, but we do not condone sinking to their level.

Personally, I think your views are biased.

I didn't vote to allow torture just because of terrorists. I think that if people were tortured more often for crimes, there would be less crime. Would YOU steal if you knew you were going to have jumper cables attached to your nipples and then the other end of those cables attached to a car battery?


If you said yes, you have a disgusting, disgusting, intriguing, distugusting sex life.

What a twisted right wing poll this is...Dammed no matter what you say.. Typical conservitive white wing trash..

if you were for terroism why the hell would you want to ban torture. If i was a terrorist i would love to be able to torture people. so basically you're saying that torturing people stops terrorism. wow, congrats, you are official idiot for the day. How old are you... 13?

Rep. Ray Stoeser
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oh yea, i forgot to say, you were done before you even posted for having a name like that.

Rep. Ray Stoeser
The Creme de la Creme land of Cremerica
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Alaska...Yeah, we're bigger than Texas

Personally I don't care what happens with the UN, but I do still find it interesting to browse the current resolutions and such. Now with that being said... I think certain methods of torture are ok depending on the circumstances but certainly not methods of permanent damage (physical or psychological) or anything not curable by psychiatrists and a good dose of medication maybe certain psychological methods of torture ok but not physical.

By the way everyone who's doing the name-calling, that is no way to prove a point it just makes you look worse than the other person. A better way of proving points is to convence people with evidence and supporting facts of the topic at hand. Would you listen to some one calling you a idiot?

if you were for terroism why the hell would you want to ban torture. If i was a terrorist i would love to be able to torture people. so basically you're saying that torturing people stops terrorism. wow, congrats, you are official idiot for the day. How old are you... 13?

Rep. Ray Stoeser
The Creme de la Creme land of Cremerica
http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/cremerica.jpg
Alaska...Yeah, we're bigger than Texas

Wow, thats deep. Oh, wait, I meant stupid. Terrorists don't obey UN resolutions. Come on, put a little thought into your posts.

No, actually i am not 13. I am a college student majoring in political science. now that thats out of the way, torturing people is clearly more of a deterent than "relativism", the notion that every culture is essentially good. why try to gain an understanding of their culture? that will not prevent terrorism people; these monsters only respond to the same punishments that they attempt to afflict on the civilized world. Flower power WILL NOT work in a situation like this. liberal ideologues like you are nearly as bad the terrorists themselves when you do not support appropriate punishments or deterrents from terrorism.

"What a twisted right wing poll this is...Dammed no matter what you say.. Typical conservitive white wing trash.."

And you Jaru, are a typical tree hugging hippie Liberal with no interest in bettering your country. Interrogations must stay as they help us protect our countries from the terrorists across the world!

Ever find yourself going to enter an argument, and then realizing you hate both sides?

Just the fact that the proposal is so vague means that it is a blanket law for any liberal psycho to use every time something their media produces as completely and utterly horrifying. Then the mindless and brainwashed citizens will all throw their weight behind their newly uninformed opinion and it will become a major issue for that country, or in this case, the U.N. I voted no just for the fact that is does not even define what torture is, or what is considered to be cruel and unusual punishment. Some politition can decide that patting someone on the back is cruel.

Dict. Alexander Arinelen

Ever find yourself going to enter an argument, and then realizing you hate both sides?

Welcome to my world....right now, I even hate myself. But mostly everyone else.

Now, onto something else, I love how people fling words like "liberal" and "conservative" around like they're insults.

Ban torture? No global harm is being committed here no mass deforestations, no innocents are being killed. So, Why? Why over step the boundaries of Nation's right to sovereignty? This seems a little too much. Ban nukes, ban bio weapons, and ban ocean dumping but don't ban something because it doesn't fit your ideal logical agenda. If it hurts no other nations or the environment than leave it alone. The people of those nations will rebel if they deem the torturing unfair.

Torture may get you information, it may not. What is to keep the terrorist from telling lies? What if all he knows are the lies his commanders told him? Then what do you gain by allowing torture?

Also, what is to say that a nation can torture not only terrorists but also petty criminals and thieves? Where is the line drawn on who can get tortured and who cannot?

The condemnation of terrorism is usually a used as a "Red Herring" to deflect a dispassionate investigation of the issues involved. Torture is very often a question of perspective; if one nation denies freedom to a weak nation and steals its resources it is terrorising and torturing the weak nation. If the weak nation uses devout patriots to inflict sufficient damage to dissuade the stronger that can hardly be considered terrorism instead should be regarded in the same light as Jesus' and Mohammeds quest to bring enlightenment to the world.

the main issue is not to get information, its to deter crime. would you commit a crime knowing that if caught, your knees would be smashed with hammers and your nails removed? the "progressive" ideas that minimum jail sentences deter terrorism is flat our wrong. as was stated before, the only way to stop these monsters is to punish them with something they can relate to- torture.
Everyone, especially UN delegates, if you voted to pass this resolution PLEASE reconsider you vote. There is still time to shoot this travesty down before it gets enacted.

So, if we torture terrorists, other prospective terrorists will be disuaded from joining a terror group? Somehow, that doesnt make sense. These people are willing to DIE for their god, so what will torture do? Also, stooping to their level would just bring more hate against the nation torturing.

they are willing to die a swift and relatively painless death. i doubt if many of these "religious" jihadists would be willing to subject themselves to torture for an extended period of time. By the way, you must understand that an overwhelming majority of these terrorists are only following charismatic leaders because they are too uninformed to form their own opinions or to differentiate right from wrong.

the main issue is not to get information, its to deter crime. would you commit a crime knowing that if caught, your knees would be smashed with hammers and your nails removed? the "progressive" ideas that minimum jail sentences deter terrorism is flat our wrong. as was stated before, the only way to stop these monsters is to punish them with something they can relate to- torture.

Morally speaking, you're fighting terror with terror. All that does is spawn more terror and, eventually, war. Sure, you may come out on top in the end, but do you really want to be responsible for the deaths of a few million people?

You don't study history much, do you? Tactics like those you advocate have very rarely been effective deterrents against terrorism -- in many cases they have actually worsened the situation. In recent history, terrorist recruiters have been living easy since the United States began its aggressive war on terrorism, and don't even get me started on the results of Israels anti-terror policy; we're fanning the flames. Torture and extremist measures won't deter terrorism, they will encourage it.

Suicide bombers don't much care about their knees.

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By the way, you must understand that an overwhelming majority of these terrorists are only following charismatic leaders because they are too uninformed to form their own opinions or to differentiate right from wrong.

So you're going to kill and torture people for crimes that, by your own admission, they do not and cannot understand?

i am not arguing the point from a moral perspective. my perspective is entirely pragmatic. but even if it was from a moral perspective, wouldn't it be better to torture one guilty individual than to have 20 (or more) innocent individuals murdered?

If you're speaking from a pragmatic standpoint, you probably shouldn't argue against my moral points and ignore my secular ones.

the only proven way to divulge information from these despicable terrorists is torture

Where is this proof of which you speak?

And while we're at it, how do you defend that torture is the ONLY proven method of extracting information?