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It is for every woman to decide the fate of her unborn (not alive, dependent on her) child. If her or its future life is being threatened by its existence, she should have the right to abort it.quote]

I agree with this idea wholeheartedly. I have many times said that I favor any resolution that will ban abortion except in the case of where the mother's life is threatened. This is the only case where abortion need be an option. When people have sex, they go into that knowing that there are risks. If there is no health risk to the mother, abortion is simply another way of the world saying that people don't have to take responsibility for their own actions.

And as to some post way back in the list, I absolutely love the argument that the man should have no say about whether the wife should have an abortion or not. It seems very contradictary to say that the man has no part in anything dealing with the baby until the baby is born and then it finally becomes the father's responsibility as well. Either the father should be in on the process from day one (the baby is after all half made up from him) or he should not be forced to be involved at all.

There is also another situation that you must include as a reason to allow an abortion. That is rape; it happens, and if the woman gets pregnant it is no fault of her own and if she so desires the baby may be aborted.

I'll agree with that...so there are only two exceptions

I think this abortioon act should be just liek the one Pres. Bush signed about a month ago, that a woman can have an abortion as long as it hasnt been over 25 weeks of her pregnancy.

i believe that abortion is 99% of the time wrong. There are only two cases in which I believe an abortion should be allowed:

1) If the baby is going to die shortly after birth.
2) If both the mother and baby are going to die.

I would also allow rape victims, who have become pregnant as a result of the rape, to choose whether or not they want to have an abortion.

Apart from those 3 cases, abortion would be banned and if an abortion took place Catholic Europe would class it as murder and thus punish accordingly.

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Who are any of you to decide what a woman does with her body. I am personally against abortion, but I would never support legislation to ban abortion, even with your little "exceptions" added. It's not my place, nor is it any of yours, and its especially not the government's to a woman what she can and can't do with her body. If I a child is unwanted why bring it in to the world. If it's unwanted it will probably be unloved and emotioanlly neglected and grow up to be all screwed up. Most of the time, I find pro-lifers are usually religous nuts who can't separate faith from government.

And, to me, I believe that is not a womans place to decide whether a person lives or not.

We will never agree on this because of the fundamental differences between us. We should therefore just agree to disagree.

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i believe that abortion is 99% of the time wrong. There are only two cases in which I believe an abortion should be allowed:

1) If the baby is going to die shortly after birth.
2) If both the mother and baby are going to die.

I would also allow rape victims, who have become pregnant as a result of the rape, to choose whether or not they want to have an abortion.

Apart from those 3 cases, abortion would be banned and if an abortion took place Catholic Europe would class it as murder and thus punish accordingly.

have you every read Casti Connubii writen by pope pius the XI he severly states that the church NEVER allows abortion even if the mothers life is in danger. Killing is killing nothing changes that.

i believe that abortion is 99% of the time wrong. There are only two cases in which I believe an abortion should be allowed:

1) If the baby is going to die shortly after birth.
2) If both the mother and baby are going to die.

I would also allow rape victims, who have become pregnant as a result of the rape, to choose whether or not they want to have an abortion.

Apart from those 3 cases, abortion would be banned and if an abortion took place Catholic Europe would class it as murder and thus punish accordingly.

Question: how do you prove that the baby was concieved throuhg rape? I really don't see any way to. Therefore, the only logical solution I can see is to simply allow abortions up to a certain point in the pregnancy, and only allow abortions after that point in the case of your cases 1 and 2.

i believe that abortion is 99% of the time wrong. There are only two cases in which I believe an abortion should be allowed:

1) If the baby is going to die shortly after birth.
2) If both the mother and baby are going to die.

I would also allow rape victims, who have become pregnant as a result of the rape, to choose whether or not they want to have an abortion.

Apart from those 3 cases, abortion would be banned and if an abortion took place Catholic Europe would class it as murder and thus punish accordingly.

Question: how do you prove that the baby was concieved throuhg rape? I really don't see any way to. Therefore, the only logical solution I can see is to simply allow abortions up to a certain point in the pregnancy, and only allow abortions after that point in the case of your cases 1 and 2.

very easily check the babies dna. also if the woman never had sex before she was raped. and if the dna doesnt fit any of the possible father's dna than you know it was the rapist's. but that still doesnt justify murder!

I believe that by the time you could take a DNA test of a fetus it would be past the point where you could abort it. However, as there are too many differing views on this issue, I believe that the UN should leave it for each individual nation to decide.

I agree that this shouldn't be a UN issue, since it is so closely linked to religion. Different religions have different views on when in pregnancy the embryo/fetus is developed enough to be given the right to life.
And for those of us who aren't that religious...
You wouldn't consider an egg a human right? Or a sperm cell? So why is it that when you put them together it suddenly becomes a person? It takes a long time for a baby to development (well, 9 months), and until the baby is actually born, the mother should have the right to choose, especially if having the baby could be life-threatening. After all, would you really want to force an impoverished teen mother to raise a child on the street as a single mother?
It's too difficult an issue to be tackled internationally. At least half of you probably disagree with what I said, and I bet that none of you, except for the raving conservative lunatics who can't compromise, can agree on the specifics of a resolution. There is too much philosophy and religion, so nations should be allowed to decide for themselves whether to allow abortion or not.

and whos' fault is it that the teen has a baby? ohh and the perons because human and the moment of conception

and whos' fault is it that the teen has a baby? ohh and the perons because human and the moment of conception

Whose fault is it that she's pregnant? Perhaps your implication is right and it is her fault, or perhaps it is the fault of a rapist. You can't always blame the girl for getting pregnant when there are some sick and twisted people in the world.

and whos' fault is it that the teen has a baby? ohh and the perons because human and the moment of conception

Whose fault is it that she's pregnant? Perhaps your implication is right and it is her fault, or perhaps it is the fault of a rapist. You can't always blame the girl for getting pregnant when there are some sick and twisted people in the world.

so tell me if the case is rape what is the diffrence between a human conceived during rape or free sex? why is it ok to murder a human depending upon how they were conceived?

I'm not going to get into this any more for one simple reason: you will always see abortion as murder, and I never will. Let's just leave it at that.

but tell me u said it was ok because of rape. why? what the diffrence to you? or dont u have an answer

but tell me u said it was ok because of rape. why? what the diffrence to you? or dont u have an answer

Fine. If the baby was concieved through rape then the mother will probably never love the baby. It is likely that she will abandon the child or neglect it. I would rather that baby never existed than have it go through that. But of course your response is going to be "but the baby exists as soon as it's concieved." That's a point we'll never agree on, which is why I don't want to continue this pointless debate.

but tell me u said it was ok because of rape. why? what the diffrence to you? or dont u have an answer

Fine. If the baby was concieved through rape then the mother will probably never love the baby. It is likely that she will abandon the child or neglect it. I would rather that baby never existed than have it go through that. But of course your response is going to be "but the baby exists as soon as it's concieved." That's a point we'll never agree on, which is why I don't want to continue this pointless debate.

well if the goverment would set up more or better systems to raise children whose parents dont want them then muderous teenagers (after birth im talking) would'nt leave their children in garbage cans.

You want to have the government set up more, better systems. Wonderful. Figure out a way to work it into the overextended budget and then get back to me.

You want to have the government set up more, better systems. Wonderful. Figure out a way to work it into the overextended budget and then get back to me.

well we can take away from planned parent hood. there all done.

Forget it. This is my last post on this thread. If you plan on taking contraceptives away from everybody because your faith dictates that you personally shouldn't use them, then there's no possible way for me to get through to you. I bid you adieu, sir.

I know that in the US their have been over 40 million abortions since the early 70's, what kind of strain would these additional 40 million people have on the already underfunded welfare programs. Also take into consideration that most would be born into unwanted and/or low income families resulting in a general increase in the crime level. The people who are against abortion are also usually the first ones to cut welfare programs "let the poor fend for themselves". As far as most of them are concerned life is only sacred as long as it is in the womb, after that it can live in a gutter for all they care.

but tell me u said it was ok because of rape. why? what the diffrence to you? or dont u have an answer

Fine. If the baby was concieved through rape then the mother will probably never love the baby. It is likely that she will abandon the child or neglect it. I would rather that baby never existed than have it go through that. But of course your response is going to be "but the baby exists as soon as it's concieved." That's a point we'll never agree on, which is why I don't want to continue this pointless debate.

well if the goverment would set up more or better systems to raise children whose parents dont want them then muderous teenagers (after birth im talking) would'nt leave their children in garbage cans.

I agree completely, if a woman does not want a child, we take the child from her, and give the child to someone who cares. It doesn't matter how old the child is, or whether it's been born or not, adoption all the way!

As I've said elsewhere:

I hesitate to call anyone pro-life.

More along the lines of pro-birth.

So we force people to have children, banning abortion...then what? We will have to step in and help those not suitable and/or not ready to parent a child, along with those who are not able to.

Likewise, our already full orphanages will simply become more crowded, all in the name of pro-birth.

There are many more issues that must be solved before we can even begin considering the idea of a global, universal, non-medical ban on abortion.


Abortion as a form of birth control is as immoral as murder. A woman has a choice long before the issue of abortion is ever brought up.