NationStates Jolt Archive

OOC: What Does The UN Have To Offer?

09-12-2003, 17:26
From the outside looking in, it doesn't seem to be a very beneficial organization. I see restraints in the resolutions, and that's about it.

At this point in time, it doesn't look like there is much to be had by joining.
09-12-2003, 18:00
(utterly out of character)

There are really two points to being in the UN:

1. It is an educational experience. I, for one, have learned a great deal about what education is evidently not doing in terms of teaching people what facism actually is, what war actually does to nations and people, and what history is repeating over and over because we're not listening.

2. If you have a puppet nation to which you apply the same decisions as to your main nation (and Dendrilys is a puppet of Dendrys), it is interesting to see the effect of UN resolutions on the nation. So, for the sake of curiosity about the game, you might make a second nation and join. But a word of advice I'll pass along, which I originally heard from (I think) Goobergunchia: Don't put a nation you care about in the UN.
09-12-2003, 18:11
Oh, truth be told, people join the UN for two main reasons:

1: Voting on the resolutions can be quite entertaining.
2: Exchanging endorsements, region takeovers, region crashing, and the like.
09-12-2003, 19:09
It is time one of us came up with a more positive and productive proposal. The main drawback is that calling for the establishment of international conventions in, say, mechanical measures, or calling for collaborative scientific research, inevitably involves spending money which usually means a tax increase. Nations don't like tax increases (unless they're already at 99% and past caring).

It is the same IRL; it's easier for legislators to ban something (as long as they spend no money on enforcement) than promote positive action that costs something.
Oppressed Possums
09-12-2003, 19:58
What does "OOC" mean?
10-12-2003, 08:59
Out Of Character.
10-12-2003, 11:54
As the UN page says it allows you to influence a load of other nations.

Every proposal passed counts as an issue, this will mean that every one passed will not only effect your ratings, but also will grow your countries slightly faster.

The growth thing has a lot less effect these days, but back at the start boy did that make a difference...

That is all for me now.
10-12-2003, 16:39
Am I bonkers? I'm set on two issues per day and I only get one issue on days when a UN resolution gets enforced. So being in the UN doesn't really give me more than two issues a day... also, are you sure that's how population grows?

Anyway... I made a UN puppet nation, but I'm so unutterably disgusted at the sheer number of little kids who think torture is necessary and good that I'm tempted to let it expire. I'm just not even interested in debating issues to improve the lot of all humans with people who don't share the fundamental assumption that human life is worth compassion, no matter whose life it is. :(
10-12-2003, 17:38
Oh dear, you've brought a tear to my eye. Hold on, let me go get my violin...
10-12-2003, 17:49
No, no, don't get up. You might hurt yourself.
10-12-2003, 18:40
There are great benefits to joining the UN.

1. You get to have other nations tell you how to run your little corner of the NS planet.

2. You get to bang your head against the wall because of all the feel good/socialist proposals that are invariably proposed and passed.

3. You get to have your countries rankings, economy, etc. messed with (according to some who are/used to be members) because of the above mentioned proposals.

I am sure there are more that folks can pass along who have or still are members of the UN.

For my part, no clear headed leader would join an organization whose only purpose appears to be making sure everyone has the same level of misery as they themselves do.
10-12-2003, 18:44
No, no, don't get up. You might hurt yourself.

OW my back! Damn...(sits back down).
10-12-2003, 18:46
Misery is all in the interpretation, methinks. :wink:

I quit the UN because my blood pressure was getting too high. That was my choice because of my needs. Maybe other people with more control over their psychosomatic responses will get along fine.

It does spark interesting debates; I'll give it that. Pity so many people come in determined that their truths are the only truths. But, that's humanity for you. Best I can do is hope that, as I've learnt from others' arguments how better to argue, they are learning the same.
10-12-2003, 18:47
No, no, don't get up. You might hurt yourself.

OW my back! Damn...(sits back down).

ooc: *laughs* Thank you for that.
10-12-2003, 18:48
No, no, don't get up. You might hurt yourself.

OW my back! Damn...(sits back down).

ooc: *laughs* Thank you for that.