Torture and why I love it.
Citizens of Markon IV are quiet upset with the resent resolution up for a vote at the UN. As I have seen several others point out, a nation MUST be able to defend itself and if it takes torturing a pow (or spy as case may be) to get the information needed to protect our country then we need to be able to do that. I can see the point of the bleeding hearts that it isn't humane, and purhaps as a common practice it is a bit over the top, but it is a usefull interrogation technique and should not have its use banned.
There is an up side of this story for the citizens of Markon IV though. They have no need to fear the cancelation of their favorite Saturday morning show "How long will he go?!?" where they are able to watch people break under torture. They need not fear this for this propostion only looks at torture for actual information that might be used to indite a country/person for various crimes...simply torturing for the pleasure of torturing is not a problem.
*A Patoxian diplomat walks over*
Umm... Honorable Sir, did you say that you torture POWs? If so I believe that y'all are violating the Wolfish Convention.
*The Patoxian diplomat hands a copy of the Wolfish Convention to the Markon IV diplomat*
Wolfish Convention on POWs
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.
Category: Human Rights
Strength: Significant
Proposed by: Wolfish
Description:
Wolfish Convention relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War
Article 1 The High Contracting Parties undertake to respect and to ensure respect for the present Convention in all circumstances.
Article 2 The present Convention shall apply to all cases of declared war or of any other armed conflict, even if the state of war is not recognized by one of them. The Convention shall also apply to all cases of occupation, even if the occupation meets with no armed resistance. The present Convention shall apply to the prisoners from the time they fall into the power of the enemy and until their final release and repatriation.
Article 3 The provisions of the present Convention constitute no obstacle to the humanitarian activities which impartial humanitarian organization may undertake for the protection of prisoners of war and for their relief.
Article 4 Prisoners of war are in the hands of the enemy Power, but not of the individuals or military units who have captured them. Irrespective of the individual responsibilities that may exist, the Detaining Power is responsible for the treatment given them.
Article 5 Prisoners of war must at all times be humanely treated. In particular, no prisoner of war may be subjected to physical mutilation or to medical or scientific experiments of any kind which are not justified by the medical, dental or hospital treatment of the prisoner concerned and carried out in his interest. Likewise, prisoners of war must at all times be protected, particularly against acts of violence or intimidation and against insults and public curiosity. Measures of reprisal against prisoners of war are prohibited.
Article 6 The Power detaining prisoners of war shall be bound to provide free of charge for their maintenance and for the medical attention required by their state of health.
Article 7 Taking into consideration the provisions of the present Convention relating to rank and sex, and subject to any privileged treatment which may be accorded to them by reason of their state of health, age or professional qualifications, all prisoners of war shall be treated alike by the Detaining Power, without any adverse distinction based on race, nationality, religious belief or political opinions, or any other distinction founded on similar criteria.
Article 8 Every prisoner of war, when questioned on the subject, is bound to give only his surname, first names and rank, date of birth, and army, regimental, personal or serial number, or failing this, equivalent information. No physical or mental torture, nor any other form of coercion, may be inflicted on prisoners of war to secure from them information of any kind whatever. The questioning of prisoners of war shall be carried out in a language which they understand.
Article 9 Prisoners of war shall be evacuated, as soon as possible after their capture, to camps situated in an area far enough from the combat zone for them to be out of danger. Prisoners of war shall not be unnecessarily exposed to danger while awaiting evacuation from a fighting zone.
IN WITNESS WHEREOF the undersigned, having deposited their respective full powers, have signed the present Convention.
Votes For: 9735
Votes Against: 2235
Implemented: Wed Sep 17 2003
As a UN Nation y'all are binded by these laws unless they are overturned by a new resolution.
Torturing PoW's is so barbaric
That and there's no profit in it. We stand against the wording of the current proposal as we believe it was already covered by the aforementioned Wolfish Convention
Aaron Greenwood
WNA Defence Minister
WNA how about you keep you mouth shut like a good little dog and let the adults do this you voted for these rules and you will abide by them duh... so just do what your told
why torture when you can keep them as they are the way you captured them and locked up
there country isnt goining to want them
WNA how about you keep you mouth shut like a good little dog and let the adults do this you voted for these rules and you will abide by them duh... so just do what your told
How about taking a little constructive thought and a sense of humor for once. It may help if you get that bug surgically removed from your ass.
Torturing PoW's is so barbaric
That and there's no profit in it. We stand against the wording of the current proposal as we believe it was already covered by the aforementioned Wolfish Convention
Aaron Greenwood
WNA Defence Minister
I have to disagree, honorable sir, the current proposal covers more than POWs. It covers common criminals and the like and I have to say, the man from 0101010 is no gentleman, how did he get into these esteemed halls?
OOC:
My Foreign Minister and most of the diplomatic corps are at an important summit, so only our more inexperienced lower level diplomats are here.
I won't even pur hot noodle soup on a prisoner. Maybe offer a bowl of our lovely Siberian Husky Stew. We don't allow for that in our country. Spies are not interested unless they want soup.
Throughout history, torture has never been shown to be a reliable way of attaining information, so using it for interegotaion is a moot point. But, it still is fun, and makes us feel better and stronger then the prisoners, and a strong and happy military will do it's job better then one that is bound by bureacracy.
Of course that's just my opinion, I could end up a tortured POW.
Who is to say which is real torture and which is gaining information? So, if we only give them basic food and water and nothing more is that torture? To some it might be and to some its not. Where is the line? I dont think we have a right to say either way. What about corporal punishment? I agree with no broken bones or maming someone but what about canes? Who are we to decide none when there should be rules not abolishment.
Gee... those of us in lLost Paradise have found that seducing and making love with prisoners of war tends to be a much more effective method of getting information from them...
I find it funny how you are able to try and kill your enemys until you capture them. Then you have to give the 3 meals a day, proper living conditions, and can't touch them. If you capture an enemy to your nation, you should be able to interrigate that person however you wish. They are not very likely to talk if you give them a nice cell and feed and clothe them. But if you hook their nipples up to a car battery, you will have all the info you need before the day is over.
if you hook their nipples up to a car battery, you will have all the info you need before the day is over.
Actually we here in LostParadise have found that sucking on their nipples often works as well or better...
There are many alternatives to using torture to gain information; many of these are more accurate and practical than torture. A superb intelligience network, for instance.
Reason is the greatest gift that humankind possesses. It is a pity that too few of us make use of it.
A'jahira Sula'an
Speaker of the Fifth House
Reason is the greatest gift that humankind possesses. It is a pity that too few of us make use of it.
A'jahira Sula'an
Speaker of the Fifth House
um... would that be use it or have it to begin with?? :wink:
Reason is the greatest gift that humankind possesses. It is a pity that too few of us make use of it.
A'jahira Sula'an
Speaker of the Fifth House
um... would that be use it or have it to begin with?? :wink:
We-ell, I firmly believe that we are all born with the ability to reason. I just think that alot of people find thinking things out much too difficult. *shrug* I would clarify my views further, but the new He-Man cartoon is on, and I must go watch it. It's in my contract. ;)