What about psychological torture?
The new UN resolution banning torture doesn't provide a clause for psychological torture. That's not even against the Geneva Convention and the US uses it on occasion to extract important information from "terrorists" and others who may hold information that could protect many innocent people. Psychological "torture" could be as simple as not letting someone sleep at all, which is actually quite effective. Banning this, as the UN resolution would, could lead to a serious increase in crime and terrorism worldwide.
Too true. Something needs to be done about it.
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The new UN resolution banning torture doesn't provide a clause for psychological torture. That's not even against the Geneva Convention and the US uses it on occasion to extract important information from "terrorists" and others who may hold information that could protect many innocent people. Psychological "torture" could be as simple as not letting someone sleep at all, which is actually quite effective. Banning this, as the UN resolution would, could lead to a serious increase in crime and terrorism worldwide.
Guess you'd better get drafting up that proposal.
Catholic Europe
07-12-2003, 17:57
Catholic Europe
07-12-2003, 17:58
How could we tell if someone is being psychologically tortured?
Catholic Europe
07-12-2003, 17:58
How could we tell if someone is being psychologically tortured?
Catholic Europe
07-12-2003, 17:59
How could we tell if someone is being psychologically tortured?
Carlemnaria
07-12-2003, 18:21
not all forms of psyc torture are easy to define. those that are such as sleep deprivation and the threat of violence, are clearly unacceptable and censurable as well.
i think the existing measure took the right approach by starting with what is clearly unambiguous.
once gross physical abuses have been delt with and universaly recognized as nonacceptable, then the next step will be to move on to such fine tuning.
remember the smaller the step the more likely it is to be accomplished, and each small step is a real achievement.
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Catholic Europe
07-12-2003, 18:25
Whilst what you have said is true, I really do think that for such a proposal to succeed we need to define at least some forms of psychological torture other than those already stated by yourself.
The problem is that the resolution doesn't clarify what it is and isn't banning. It bans all torture, which would include psychological torture. It is too ambiguous. Surely you cannot say that sleep deprivation should be banned. The information that can be gained greatly outweighs the means of the obtaining it. A clearer resolution should be drafted, and one that is not as...angry.
Catholic Europe
07-12-2003, 18:40
The problem is that the resolution doesn't clarify what it is and isn't banning. It bans all torture, which would include psychological torture. It is too ambiguous. Surely you cannot say that sleep deprivation should be banned. The information that can be gained greatly outweighs the means of the obtaining it. A clearer resolution should be drafted, and one that is not as...angry.
I certainely agree with you, so why don't you make it then?
The Zoogie People
07-12-2003, 19:03
Psychological torture as used in the US...the only example I can think of, Catholic Europe, is blasting rock music for the detainees in Guantanamo Bay.
Well, it's hard to fit all the definitions into one proposal.
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Collaboration
08-12-2003, 00:02
If you examine the hours of the day at which we have posted, you will see that sleep deprivation may not be considered torture for all of us.
EVERYONE VOTE AGAINST THE NEW ANTI-TORTURE PROPOSAL!!!!! EVERYONES HAPPY NOW!!!!!!!
The Kingdom of Skullzz stands firmly in opposition to this ridiculous proposal. Banning torture would be taking art away from the masses of Skullzz. We don't have art museums full of paintings, we have public access dungeons. We in the Kingdom believe torture is a beautiful thing, and nothing will bar us from continuing to express our art.
Whoever proposed the resolution in the first place probably knew very little about torture, they just thought it would sound very progressive and intelligent to say that torture is barbaric. They don't even define torture, they just assume that it means putting someone on the rack or breaking their bones. Sleep deprivation, no matter how stupid it seems, is a very serious form of psychological torture, which can and has been used effectively to extract confessions from criminals who have information that could save lives. Whoever said that it is hard to fit the definitions into one resolution is just too lazy to conceive of spending time on a resolution, which is perfectly fine, but that doesn't mean it should be passed. The idea may be good, but the resolution is just too general. And I'm not going to draft another proposal to change it if this one passes, because that's sort of a waste of time and you aren't supposed to propose resolutions to revoke old ones.
How could we tell if someone is being psychologically tortured?
I would say this is a good resolution , because the only torture detected would be massive and that is done not to gather info but for amusement. And psychological torture is even harder to detect.
If I torture a few criminls it would never reach the UN