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The UN should stop all member states from selling weapons to those under the age of 21. This nation, Enerica, has proposed this to help protect youth even though it may effect our arms industry. Do you agree with this idea, the proposal has been placed to the UN.

My citizens are among the most well-armed in the world.

My nation's foundations are based on discipline and military training.
Military training starts at 14 for boys and 15 for girls.
So the use of arms is a process within this training.

My nation's foundation is liberty, and we realize that, when law fails to protect rights, armed resistance to state authority may be necessary.

My nation's foundation is liberty, and we realize that, when law fails to protect rights, armed resistance to state authority may be necessary.
Im for the ban.
And I have found taht after revolutions the new government is corrupt but thats personal expirience.

We only sell weapons to politically accaptable governements.

The sale of guns to a minor should indeed be banned, but then shouldn't all weapons being sold to anyone of any age be banned?

for what it's worth we oppose all sale and manufacture of lethal force to anyone. the less manufactured the less on the streets and the less in circulation the less in 'the wrong hands'.

age is of course not a 100% reliable indicator of responsibility however. a point i believe we may have pointed out on other occasions and cannot stress sufficiently. it is generaly to some extent perhaps statisticly valid in some contexts and up to a point and it is reasonably likely that this might be such a context

we do not of course object to the provision of prosthetics to injured workers in the minerals extraction industries

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I really don't see this as an issue for international consideration.

I really don't see this as an issue for international consideration.

Why not?

The UN should not be in the business of telling my nation how to raise its kids.

The UN should not be in the business of telling my nation how to raise its kids.

But it's trying to protect people. This resolution, if passed, could save thousands of lives.

Thousands? What data do you have to support that? If this will save lives in your nation, go ahead and do it. Nations such as my own prefer to arm people to protect them from muggers and other criminals -- as always, the mandatory, "If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns," argument. Legalizing firearms allows for registration, safety regulation, training to prevent accidents, and a general increase in the safety of the people.

The majority of gun owners are law abiding citizens. You know the National Rifle Association? You know how many members have committed a crime using a gun since it was founded? I'd like to see you find one.

I'm sure that you can justify banning firearms. I'm sure that you can justify banning the sale of firearms to minors -- I even tentatively agree. But I do not see why the United Nations should legislate this matter when every member nation can easily do so for itself if it so chooses. This is an internal matter.

Why would anyone want to discriminate against Miners this way?

Miners work hard and in treacherous conditions; they should deserve the opportunity to receive limb transplants when on the job accidents occur. This is discrimination against the working class.

It would be interesting if a study (or a series of studes) were conducted to discover which factors are important in the stability of individuals - i.e. lower likelihood of committing violent crimes, or greater chance that weapons will be used responsibly.

If such studies yielded conclusive results, individuals could possibly be tested for stability before being allowed to bear weapons - akin to checking if an individual has a criminal record, but in advance.

Unfortunately, ethical issues abound...

- Jordan, Monarch of Archaeus

Thousands? What data do you have to support that? If this will save lives in your nation, go ahead and do it. Nations such as my own prefer to arm people to protect them from muggers and other criminals -- as always, the mandatory, "If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns," argument. Legalizing firearms allows for registration, safety regulation, training to prevent accidents, and a general increase in the safety of the people.

The majority of gun owners are law abiding citizens. You know the National Rifle Association? You know how many members have committed a crime using a gun since it was founded? I'd like to see you find one.

I'm sure that you can justify banning firearms. I'm sure that you can justify banning the sale of firearms to minors -- I even tentatively agree. But I do not see why the United Nations should legislate this matter when every member nation can easily do so for itself if it so chooses. This is an internal matter.

So, what about counties that have banned firearms. Their death rates from guns are so much smaller! Surely that is a good thing?!

So, what about counties that have banned firearms. Their death rates from guns are so much smaller! Surely that is a good thing?!

That argument is irrelevant -- that is not the purpose of this proposal. Further, while deaths from guns may decrease with the ban of guns, crime does not necessarily do so.

That argument is irrelevant -- that is not the purpose of this proposal. Further, while deaths from guns may decrease with the ban of guns, crime does not necessarily do so.

So you think that it is perfectly fine for an average citizen, whether that be a child or not, to have a handgun, carry them down the street, into restaurants and in dark alleys. You believe that the everyday citizen should be able to carry such a weapon which they could then accidentally or intentionally use to kill someone.

We are all for the banning of the sale of arms to minors. It's a start.

So you think that it is perfectly fine for an average citizen, whether that be a child or not, to have a handgun, carry them down the street, into restaurants and in dark alleys. You believe that the everyday citizen should be able to carry such a weapon which they could then accidentally or intentionally use to kill someone.

Yes, I do believe that everyday, average citizens have the right to defend themselves. I guess I'm funny in the head. Would you rather fight off a mugger with a can of spice or a few pieces of lead?

Again, this aspect of the discussion has little to do with the proposal at hand.

Thousands? What data do you have to support that? If this will save lives in your nation, go ahead and do it. Nations such as my own prefer to arm people to protect them from muggers and other criminals -- as always, the mandatory, "If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns," argument. Legalizing firearms allows for registration, safety regulation, training to prevent accidents, and a general increase in the safety of the people.

The majority of gun owners are law abiding citizens. You know the National Rifle Association? You know how many members have committed a crime using a gun since it was founded? I'd like to see you find one.

I'm sure that you can justify banning firearms. I'm sure that you can justify banning the sale of firearms to minors -- I even tentatively agree. But I do not see why the United Nations should legislate this matter when every member nation can easily do so for itself if it so chooses. This is an internal matter.

In that case couldn't you say that anything could be an internal matter, couldn't governments deciding whether to allow the vote or not be an internal matter. The UN has to daw a line and say we cannot allow this slae of weapons it isn't just an internal matter it is an international problem.

I say we sell minors and miners for arms

In that case couldn't you say that anything could be an internal matter, couldn't governments deciding whether to allow the vote or not be an internal matter. The UN has to daw a line and say we cannot allow this slae of weapons it isn't just an internal matter it is an international problem.

No, an international problem is something like massive wars, starvation, destruction of the environment, and other things that affect things outside of a nation's own sovereign borders. I also consider a good deal of things having to with civil and human rights to be international issues, but I know that there are many at NationStates who do not.

How is this an issue that affects the global community? Why does it need to be legislated on this scale?

A ban on arms sales to minors is the silliest thing I have ever heard. Why, in The Kingdom of Skullzz, we run off a modified version of Sparta's military system. Every child is taught in Target shooting from the age of 12 in our public school systems, and electives such as Gunsmithing and Incendiary Devices are some of the most popular in our high schools. Despite the fact that almost every citizen of Skullzz is armed, there has not been a school shooting since the Kingdom's formation. Nobody dares to try to shoot people at school, because everyone else has a gun too and will shoot right back at them.

We haven't had a successful bank robbery in decades. Like I said, nearly everybody is armed in our nation. The last attempt in recent memory was thwarted when the attacker realized that every bank teller had an assault rifle. He was shot in the back by an elderly woman wielding a 12-gauge shotgun, and later died of his wounds in Skullzz General Hospital.

Nobody attacks our police either, because they are simply better armed than the general public. The police patrol the streets in armored walkers, all of which carry machine guns and light missiles.

Our nation is a military nation, and a very proud one at that. We find it hilarious that you think the world would be SAFER if minors couldn't buy guns. They'd still get their hands on them illegally, and then your governments would not be able to track their movement as well.

In that case couldn't you say that anything could be an internal matter, couldn't governments deciding whether to allow the vote or not be an internal matter. The UN has to daw a line and say we cannot allow this slae of weapons it isn't just an internal matter it is an international problem.

No, an international problem is something like massive wars, starvation, destruction of the environment, and other things that affect things outside of a nation's own sovereign borders. I also consider a good deal of things having to with civil and human rights to be international issues, but I know that there are many at NationStates who do not.

How is this an issue that affects the global community? Why does it need to be legislated on this scale?

You don't believe that the international problem of children owning devices intended to kill is an international problem, and you don't believe it is worth discussion. When does the event become serious enough to be discussed, when it's too late?

No, an international problem is something like massive wars, starvation, destruction of the environment, and other things that affect things outside of a nation's own sovereign borders. I also consider a good deal of things having to with civil and human rights to be international issues, but I know that there are many at NationStates who do not.

How is this an issue that affects the global community? Why does it need to be legislated on this scale?

It is an international issue because of the fact that a right to life free from fear is an international human right. The sale of guns creates fear and danger to all people's lives - violating human rights.

It is an international issue because of the fact that a right to life free from fear is an international human right. The sale of guns creates fear and danger to all people's lives - violating human rights.

Fear is an extremely useful emotion. Fear is what keeps The Kingdom of Skullzz from breaking into anarchy. Everyone here is afraid of the possibly deadly consequences of their actions, and therefore, everybody makes intelligent, responsible decisions.

It is an international issue because of the fact that a right to life free from fear is an international human right. The sale of guns creates fear and danger to all people's lives - violating human rights.

Alright. How many people with guns do you know of who are deathly afraid that they're about to be mugged and helpless?

A right to live life free from fear? Did we ban bad weather, too? Do we ban the right to defend oneself because of some fear that people might be hurt by criminals? Where's the logic to that? And where is this universal "right from fear" established?

You don't believe that the international problem of children owning devices intended to kill is an international problem, and you don't believe it is worth discussion. When does the event become serious enough to be discussed, when it's too late?

Wrong. I believe it is very much an issue -- I just don't see why YOUR grubby hands should be all over MY domestic policy.

I do not see the point. It is the Parents place to control the children not the Governments.

I do not see the point. It is the Parents place to control the children not the Governments.

Excellent view here. The parents do have the biggest say on their own children. All the parents here give their children guns as a sign of affection. Our children simply can't wait until the day they get their first pistol, it's a milestone in their lives.

Fear is an extremely useful emotion. Fear is what keeps The Kingdom of Skullzz from breaking into anarchy. Everyone here is afraid of the possibly deadly consequences of their actions, and therefore, everybody makes intelligent, responsible decisions.

Jaru is an Anarchy an we do jus fin tank yu...

Fear is an extremely useful emotion. Fear is what keeps The Kingdom of Skullzz from breaking into anarchy. Everyone here is afraid of the possibly deadly consequences of their actions, and therefore, everybody makes intelligent, responsible decisions.

Jaru is an Anarchy an we do jus fin tank yu...

Not all Anarchies work out well. Your nation works on an excellent anarchic model, but not all are quite the same. The citizens of Skullzz would be lost without their glorious dictator.

I do not see the point. It is the Parents place to control the children not the Governments.

Excellent view here. The parents do have the biggest say on their own children. All the parents here give their children guns as a sign of affection. Our children simply can't wait until the day they get their first pistol, it's a milestone in their lives.


Yez,,Im sur they dooo... Tell me mon..What is the child mortality rate in your nation???More lik What is the Adult teen srvival rate??

I do not see the point. It is the Parents place to control the children not the Governments.

Excellent view here. The parents do have the biggest say on their own children. All the parents here give their children guns as a sign of affection. Our children simply can't wait until the day they get their first pistol, it's a milestone in their lives.


Yez,,Im sur they dooo... Tell me mon..What is the child mortality rate in your nation???More lik What is the Adult teen srvival rate??

There have been no deaths of children involving guns that anyone can recall. Teenagers also have very few, although the occassional unavoidable gun suicide happens. These cannot be helped, and regardless of guns, they would find ways to kill themselves if they wanted.

Not all Anarchies work out well. Your nation works on an excellent anarchic model, but not all are quite the same. The citizens of Skullzz would be lost without their glorious dictator.

Tis true..We pay but one price for our little Paridice..We all must Sever the Great Goddess Jarua and follow her every way no matter what..But that is not such a bad price to pay for all of this..Is it???

Not all Anarchies work out well. Your nation works on an excellent anarchic model, but not all are quite the same. The citizens of Skullzz would be lost without their glorious dictator.

Tis true..We pay but one price for our little Paridice..We all must Sever the Great Goddess Jarua and follow her every way no matter what..But that is not such a bad price to pay for all of this..Is it???

Your nation is hard to classify. You're not completely anarchic if you follow a religious figure, but you're not quite theocratic either. You simply are Jaru. Very unique nation indeed.

Our National Athem ..It tis good to be simple it is good to be free. It is good to be simple and free..

I yams what I yams and I cantz be nothen else..

The Goddess Jarua is not a Spirit But our Qween Mother of sorts..A spritiual leader who gives us guidance in the ways of the material path..
It is her words who saved us in the Burning times and it is her words that guide us in theses days. When Jarua Decends from the Silver sky ships she brings light and peace to all of Jaru..

All Male citizens at the age of 18 are trained in the use of a kalashnikov series rifle. Females are welcome to be too, but it is not necessary. Licenses are required and beleive it or not this cuts down on the crime rate considerably. banning the sale of weapons/ammunition to people under tha age of 21 is preposterous.

All Male citizens at the age of 18 are trained in the use of a kalashnikov series rifle. Females are welcome to be too, but it is not necessary. Licenses are required and beleive it or not this cuts down on the crime rate considerably. banning the sale of weapons/ammunition to people under tha age of 21 is preposterous.

But at the age of 18 it becomes more difficult to train them. I believe that children as young as 12 should be trained in at least basic small arms operationl, by 18 we have experts in many different firearms. Our youth rarely turn to drugs, they'd rather spend their time and money at one of our many firing ranges. It's adorable to see a young couple shooting together on their first date.

Eww what a digusting perverted thing to say..You sir have a most foul mind.... But I think I have just the right beach vacation fantasy for you... Our many vacaton resots are full of anything you may desire..

Wrong. I believe it is very much an issue -- I just don't see why YOUR grubby hands should be all over MY domestic policy.
Are you in the UN? What do you think the idea of the UN is? It's for us to share DOMESTIC POLICY on an internation scale.

Hunting here is plentiful and provides good sport. citizens receive exercise, enjoy natural beauty, and supplement their income and diet. Hunting also helps keep the wild animal population in check.

Boy and girls here can expect to get a .22 when they are 11 or 12, along with a course in hunter safety. Many of them will also get a sidearm in order to safely put away a wounded animal (It is not practical to apply the coup de grace from a distance of four feet with a rifle).

Therefore we respectfully decline support.

I address the member's of the UN. Dear fellows, friends, I ask you. How can we not put forward this motion, to allow the sales of weapons to minors? What kind of world do we live in? Have we not learn't from the terrible situations that have arisen within schools across the United States of America?

Chumba whole heartedly agrees that the sale arms of any sort to minor's, should be banned.

I address the member's of the UN. Dear fellows, friends, I ask you. How can we not put forward this motion, to allow the sales of weapons to minors? What kind of world do we live in? Have we not learn't from the terrible situations that have arisen within schools across the United States of America?

Chumba whole heartedly agrees that the sale arms of any sort to minor's, should be banned.

I address the member's of the UN. Dear fellows, friends, I ask you. How can we not put forward this motion, to allow the sales of weapons to minors? What kind of world do we live in? Have we not learn't from the terrible situations that have arisen within schools across the United States of America?

Listen to yourself very carefully -- you're dictating WORLD policy based on a few isolated incidents in ONE isolated country. That's hardly international.

That aside, how many kids have been killed by guns in the past year? How many have died in total? I'll bet the total makes the number from guns look insignificant. I'll bet that a whole lot more have been killed by car accidents, so why don't we ban those? Because people have a right to transport themselves, and nations have the right to allow their people to make their own choices. The right to defense is a fundamental right. Kids with guns don't affect things outside their nation's borders, and this isn't an issue of controlling government -- this is not an international issue.

Are you in the UN? What do you think the idea of the UN is? It's for us to share DOMESTIC POLICY on an internation scale.

If you cared to notice, there is no UN charter in NationStates. The UN is what every member makes of it. I say that its purpose is to regulate international issues when such regulation is needed. I say that its purpose is not to legislate what is clearly an internal, domestic affair.

My nation's foundations are based on discipline and military training.
Military training starts at 14 for boys and 15 for girls.
So the use of arms is a process within this training.

yes but you do not sell the un to them
you teach them how to use the weapun how to clean and keep it in working order
you don't give the gun to them and tell them to like go shoot some one with it do you?
it is a weapun not a toy and minors will use it as a toy that is why there are minor laws that say they can't buy and/or sell these weapuns

Listen to yourself very carefully -- you're dictating WORLD policy based on a few isolated incidents in ONE isolated country. That's hardly international.


The stastics speak for them selves. 19 in Great Britain 57 Germany 109 in France 153 in Canada and 5,285 in the USA and that's based on one years findings. Hardly ONE isolated country. To alert members to the growing problem around the world, the Policy should be seriously considered.

We agree with the members view 'that people have the right to defend themselfs' but at what cost? A Strict policy should be enforced, for the benfits of all. Lead by example.

Listen to yourself very carefully -- you're dictating WORLD policy based on a few isolated incidents in ONE isolated country. That's hardly international.


The stastics speak for them selves. 19 in Great Britain 57 Germany 109 in France 153 in Canada and 5,285 in the USA and that's based on one years findings. Hardly ONE isolated country. To alert members to the growing problem around the world, the Policy should be seriously considered.

We agree with the members view 'that people have the right to defend themselfs' but at what cost? A Strict policy should be enforced, for the benfits of all. Lead by example.

:roll: So you're going to tell every nation in the UN that they have to abide by your moral standards? :lol:

Nothing that might hurt my strong, arms manufacturing economy doesn't get my support.

The stastics speak for them selves. 19 in Great Britain 57 Germany 109 in France 153 in Canada and 5,285 in the USA and that's based on one years findings. Hardly ONE isolated country. To alert members to the growing problem around the world, the Policy should be seriously considered.

Ah, so you did have research, but didn't feel like telling anyone.

Then again... do you have any idea how many people die every year? Tobacco alone kills over 400,000 people a year JUST in the United States -- where's your outcry? Gun deaths are simply not the crippling threat that they're being made out to be.

So, yeah, the statistics do speak for themselves -- isolated incidents in isolated places.

Citizens of my country have a right to protect themselves and to uphold defense. If they want, they can purchase weaponry so long as they don't abuse their freedoms.

(Then again... do you have any idea how many people die every year? Tobacco alone kills over 400,000 people a year)


As the member of Santin stated, 400,000 people die from tabacco alone in the United States of America. But, we're not here to discus that. As said Chumba, doesn't disagree with the right to bare arms, and the right to defend yourself, here in Chumba we make sure the youth spend some time within military service.

The serious question raised is NOT about banning guns, BUT banning the sale of guns to minors. The anti-gun-movement mirrors the humanitarian movement in international politics. Bosnia, Kosovo, Rwanda have suggested that certain western countries are heading towards a politics of human rights that supersedes the politics of established frontiers and, in some cases, laws in gun control.

As some one once said 'Social change usually occurs when people decide to do something they know they ought to have done along time ago but have kept this knowledge private'.

It's time to do right by the ones who know what the killing and wounding are like, and who know the pain.

The sale of firearms to minors in Gunrovia is already banned, but minors are people below the age of 18. At 18 you receive the full rights of an adult citizen, and that is the way it will stay.

Nothing that might hurt my strong, arms manufacturing economy doesn't get my support.

My country's economy is based on arms sales mainly as well, but that doesn't give you or me the right to put our economy over what is correct.

If we ban weapons to minors how will we defend ourselves?? The levettian armed forces relies on our strong competent 17 to 21 year olds to protect us. If they cant buy better weaponry from overseas then my government cant afford to supply them. Banning of weapons to minors only serves in weakening each nation out there...and its a slippery slope..ban them for kids..then you'll be banning them for the old and mentally incapable..pretty soon banning them for ALL.

its just crazy. Lets ensure every child has the right to bear arms....it'd soon put a halt to abductions and abuse.

If we ban weapons to minors how will we defend ourselves?? The levettian armed forces relies on our strong competent 17 to 21 year olds to protect us. If they cant buy better weaponry from overseas then my government cant afford to supply them. Banning of weapons to minors only serves in weakening each nation out there...and its a slippery slope



Minors are classed as children under the age of 16, you have an army to protect your nation.

The vote calls for the ban of weapons to all those "under 21" not just children. You can hardly refer to a 19 year old man as being incapable of discharging a weapon in a responsible way. Everyone, minors included have the right to bear arms...and in Levettia that also means DEFEND THE NATION.