NationStates Jolt Archive

In each and every society, it has a lower class. To many, the lower class are a group of uneducated people who spend most of their time on the streets, begging for money. The taxes that the middle to upper class pays then gets spent on the lower class to care for them and feed them. All they do is eat, beg, and sleep. They create riots, which leads to problems, which leads to a waste of money that could be spent on other more important things.

I don't haven enough support, but I propose that we make a proposal on oppression of the lower class and lower-middle class. Why?
1. They create problems in society.
2. They waste the hard earn money of the middle and upper class tax payers.
3. Although the money wasted may not seem like much, that money could be used for other projects.
4. By oppressing the lower/lower middle class, the people could be used for manual labor.
5. With this type of manual labor, they receive no pay, but they are able to live in a better place than on the streets or sidewalks or in shacks, etc.
6. Since more people will be working, there will be an increase in unemployment, thus creating another lower/lower middle class. Oppress them too.
7. If the lower/lower middle class strike, the money earned from the work that they did can go to the military to suppress such a distrubance.
8. This will all together increase the economy for all nations. Trading will expand and production will increase.
9. Instead of having the lower/lower middle class people waste their lives and time, let's make their time useful to society and the nation.

The poor are unable to gain a position in society or they are able to, it will be very hard to. Therefore, let's make some use of their lives. Oppress them and use them for manual labor for the good of the nation.

What of the upper classes? Shouldn't they have the right to oppress others?

What of the upper classes? Shouldn't they have the right to oppress others?

Most certianely not. Everyone should try to live in an as equal way as posible. One class should certainely not oppress another.

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1. They create problems in society.
So does every other class. I believe it's Stalin who said "Death solves all problems; no man, no problem."

2. They waste the hard earn money of the middle and upper class taxpayers.
A much simpler solution would be to lower taxes, rather than to transform the government into a feudalistic police state, would it not?

3. Although the money wasted may not seem like much, that money could be used for other projects.
As I said... lower taxes.

4. By oppressing the lower/lower middle class, the people could be used for manual labor.
So could people of any class, what's your point?

5. With this type of manual labor, they receive no pay, but they are able to live in a better place than on the streets or sidewalks or in shacks, etc.
Where the hell do you live that the lower middle class lives in streets or shacks? Naimibia? We'll I'm in America, where 60% of the people under the poverty line own their own homes, so...

6. Since more people will be working, there will be an increase in unemployment, thus creating another lower/lower middle class. Oppress them too.
Wait... unemployment is defined as people not working. When more people work unemployment falls.

7. If the lower/lower middle class strike, the money earned from the work that they did can go to the military to suppress such a distrubance.
Here's the police-statism I'm talking about. Did you know that in the United States, the first-year pay of a soldier is only about $13,000? That would definitely qualify him for lower/lower-middle class. Let's have a military coup! Your soldiers can shoot each other.

8. This will all together increase the economy for all nations. Trading will expand and production will increase.
History has shown that slavery does NOT expand trade and is only a short-term boom to production.

9. Instead of having the lower/lower middle class people waste their lives and time, let's make their time useful to society and the nation.
You've graduated from police-statism to socialism. Good job! Society exists to serve individuals, never the other way around.

The poor are unable to gain a position in society or they are able to, it will be very hard to. Therefore, let's make some use of their lives. Oppress them and use them for manual labor for the good of the nation.
Well my parents came over to the US extremely poor just over ten years ago with no money and no real skills, and my mom knew almost no English. Our current family income is something like $150,000-$200,000 plus stock ownership... The poor don't have that much of a disadvantage in American society. Not if they get themselves educated.

Listen people. WE MUST NOT LET THE MUD PEOPLE TAKE OUR RICHES. Its quite simple really: The less they have, the more we have. Lets keep it that way. You want wealth and power? You gotta break a few eggs to make an egg salad sandwich. Keep them in their wells and keep them alive with jelly beans and water. Jelly beans are very inexpensive and have enough nutritional value to keep them alive.

Listen people. WE MUST NOT LET THE MUD PEOPLE TAKE OUR RICHES. Its quite simple really: The less they have, the more we have. Lets keep it that way. You want wealth and power? You gotta break a few eggs to make an egg salad sandwich. Keep them in their wells and keep them alive with jelly beans and water. Jelly beans are very inexpensive and have enough nutritional value to keep them alive.

Wealth isn't zero-sum, idiot. If you get a promotion that doesn't mean that I'm denied one.

Wealth isn't zero-sum, idiot. If you get a promotion that doesn't mean that I'm denied one.

Way to take everything seriously, idiot.

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You make a good arguement, but you have created weak points.
1. The poor have no education.
2. We can easily separate the military and the poor.
3. We can have a sort of secret police. Just like Hitler and the SS.
4. All classes do cause problems. The lower class causes the most. (In CA, the supermarket strikes and the Union.)
5. Manual is possible for all classes yes. Why use the educated people are manual labor? Use the non-education.
6. People serve society. That point can't be argued since we have different views on that.
7. The reason that slavery is only a short boom is because many people opposed it and at that time, America wasn't strong enough.
8. You may have become rich, but how many poor people can do that? statistics, you need numbers.
9. More money equals more power. Why? Research, experiments, agreements, trades, loans, etc. Bigger businesses.
10. You misinterpreted my unemployment idea. Look here. Let's say you have a middle class person ok? He works for you for say $5 an hour. Then with the oppression of the lower class, you get one people that does his job for say $3 per hour because of oppression. Instead of paying the middle class person $5, you either lower his wage or fire him. What happens to him? He gets fired. What does it mean when a person does not have a job? He or she is unemployed.

Trust me, I'm not that stupid. I know what I'm talking about.

The poor have no education?

I am a lower middle class boy currently recieving a grammar school education, it's bougoise trogledites like you who cause most of the problems in sociaty.

The poor have no education?

I am a lower middle class boy currently recieving a grammar school education, it's bougoise trogledites like you who cause most of the problems in sociaty.

Lower class? What's that? OH WAIT, those are those little scamps down in the Undercity and the Industrial Wastes. Yes, we have those people, although I don't know too much about them. They are kept out of the way of us important people and left in the factories where they belong.

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Our main class distinctions these days are drawn along the lines of whose work involves the greatest immediate personal risk, and which groups supported this week's winning sports teams.

The San Diego fans feel badly enough without adding additional oppression to their humiliation.

Maybe you can be more specific. What kind of problems does the upper class cause? We build the economy, we pay for most of the taxes, we gives loans to allow companies to form, and we pay the poor their health insurances and more. What does the poor do? Ask for more money, join the union, strike, riot, waste money, beg, etc.

By the way, MOST of the poor have no education. You got to see the numbers. Well, most of the poor have no college education.

It occurs to the Federation of Giradoo that the Dictatorship of Dark Cow must be operating on an entirely different "class" system than is generally accepted within the international community. For instance, the "lower class" isn't necessarily patrolling the streets begging for money. Many so-called "lower class" citizens do far more than eat, beg, and sleep. They enroll in government programs aimed at making them gainfully employed. They raise families as best they can. They find work where and when they can. Members of the lower class should be assisted through government programs aimed at turning them into productive citizens, rather than shunned and oppressed.

Dark Cow claims that the lower class create riots. This may be true in some instances, but in those instances the riots tell of a larger problem. Rather than take steps toward turning the "lower class" into a productive portion of society, many nations ignore or oppress them. Naturally, anyone who is ignored or oppressed by his/her government is likely to become disgruntled (at the very least). The riots aren't necessarily a result of the simple existence of a lower class, but rather the mismanagement of relations between the government and the lower class.

To speak of forcing a group of people to work for no pay under whatever conditions the government deems are good enough is truly deplorable. The marked lack of respect for human rights in such nations should be brought to the attention of the global community at large. Giradoo feels that governments carrying out such policies and making such suggestions as we have seen from Dark Cow are a far greater threat than even the most raucous "lower class."

The proposal we see here is little more than slavery and forced labor of a group of people who the government views as troublesome based simply upon their economic status. Following this line of logic, Giradoo feels the Dictatorship of Dark Cow is troublesome and a threat to the free world. Therefore, the nations of the world should enslave the people of Dark Cow and put them to work digging ditches for no pay, a piece of bread & a glass of water a day, and housing in a small canvas tent. That makes sense, right....?


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Rev. Dr. Hezekiah Giradoo
Prime Minister of the Federation of Giradoo

"Outside of the killings, Giradoo has one of the lowest crime rates in the region."

Ah, very good. Someone finally has made some good points. First things first, you are very correct about that the lower class does not go out begging on the streets of the town. Second, you are correct that they do work at many different places. Third, you are correct about the riots, to an extent.
1. A person is part of the lower class because he or she does not have an education.
2. A person is part of the lower class because he or she is unable to use the skills given to him or her effectively.
3. A person is part of the lower class because he or she was born into the lower class.

An important point that everyone neglects to see is what do WE, the upper class and government, get out of the oppression of the lower class? Money and power. The two greatest things in society. With power, you can manipulate nations and states and people. With money, you can bribe people, nations, and states. With power, you can gain territories, force things your way. With money, researching and production and new technology is at your fingertips. Surely it is worth it to oppress the lower class for these things? Oh, by the way, oppression of the lower class will lead to no more middle class, thus there is a huge gap. Upper class and the lower class. That's it.

Sure, a few dead people and angry people for power and money and unstoppable army. It's all worthwhile don't you think? Don't miss the big picture. You people all complain about the small things.
1. Freedom.
2. Slavery.
3. Rights.
4. The Union.
5. Love

These things don't compare to two things.
1. Power.
1. Money.

By the way, I labeled both of them number one. Why? You can't really have one without the other. They go hand in hand.

Oppresing the lower classes would ruin you economy anyway, there would be less people buying products, food etc because they were not being payed. Companies would lay off more workers. Then even less preople would buy the product. This would keep on going untill all companies became bankrupt.

Good point, but obviously you do not know how the economy runs.
1. Yes, you are right, there will be a major decrease in consumers.
2. Yes, less and less people will be buying the products.
3. Don't forget, the Upper Class is there to buy products.
4. Also, it depends what products are being produced. I was thinking more along the lines of military products.
5. If statement 4 was not taken into consideration, one must think if our economy survives on domestic consumers. If you do, you are right and wrong.
6. Right that a government does rely on domestic consumers.
7. Wrong that a government can rely more on international consumers.

We make more things, more efficently witht he oppression of the lower class. Then what happens? Cheaper goods. Cheaper goods lead to other countries wanting to buy them. There! You got a market. They put a tariff? Then oppress the lower class even more. Think more. This is a political game people, don't take it seriously, but when you create an arguement, make it good!

We in Jaru have done away with class status..We had it once when we were ruled by an overpowerful Corperate Government but we Had a revolution and tossed them out..

:twisted: The rich should control everything! :twisted:

My nation has a feudlism society where the rich control everybody eles. Plus it is impossible for the lower people to move up.

:twisted: The rich should control everything! :twisted:

My nation has a feudlism society where the rich control everybody eles. Plus it is impossible for the lower people to move up.

Well, you may have had an overpowerful Corperate Government. Do you know why you guys were able to create a revolution and overthrow the government? Because you had a weak government and a weak decsion maker. Everyone knows a good government has a good leader.

Dark Cow has an interesting point. Revolutions are had because the government is weak, or the leader is weak, or both. Time and time again, people have shown that they are in need of leadership, and guidance. This is most commonly seen in the form of a leader, who is usually strong-willed. If the people have no leadership, they will work to change that, and bring about a new form of leadership. The best way to deter this is to have a strong leader. Someone who will provide the guidance for his/her subjects, and who has the power to do so. The leader is the best-informed person in the nation, if they are strong, and thus they can make the best decisions.
While I'm not sure the oppression would be suitable in my own nation, Dark Cow raises a good point, and a pragmatic one. Perhaps in time, this will become a viable solution. If nothing else, at least Dark Cow is being honest about the oppresion, rather than hiding his intentions behind increased prices and no minimum wage, and beaurocratic garbage.

Thank you. Obviously, there are many ways to rule people. You can give them hopes and dreams and happiness just like our own Constitution. Or on the other hand, you can have a nation where the main objective is power and money. Sure, each type of government has strengths and weaknesses. No government is perfect. Heck, even our government is has problems, the U.S. government. We each rule our nation in our own way. You have freedoms and I don't. As long as we don't bother each other it's fine. Agreed?

Remember one thing before attacking a point:
1. Look at the big picture.
2. Look at the pros and cons.
3. Remember people have different values. (Ex: I say power and money is number one. You say, not even close.)
4. Defend your point and try not to show weakness.
5. Remember, "A fool knows no weakness. Sage shows no weakness."
6. Read "The Prince".