Support Free College
giving everyone equal rights to succeed in life
Free college will help economies by putting out better trained and qualified individuals
lower crime by b/c people from poor homes will get good grades and stay out of trouble so they could get into college
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Goodness! Are there enough refrigerators worldwide on which to hang all those collages? Besides, I like art as much as the next person, but who's going to pay for all that glue!
Just like he said, it will hurt the economy.
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The Global Market
07-12-2003, 00:22
giving everyone equal rights to succeed in life
Free college will help economies by putting out better trained and qualified individuals
lower crime by b/c people from poor homes will get good grades and stay out of trouble so they could get into college
Yeah, college is extremely expensive nowadays. I support free education, but I don't think I want to go as far as free college, especially since half of students who start college don't graduate. I think up to free high school is enough, by the time you're in college, you are probably above the age of majority.
Also, poverty is NOT a consideration when going to college. Most top colleges have need-blind admission and cover 100% of demonstrated need. If your family makes under $50,000 a year and you are accepted into an Ivy League school, you'll probably get a full ride.
A college education is a privelege, not a right.
A college education is a privelege, not a right.
Yes, good jobs are only for the rich. Poor people should suck it up and stop whining. Poor people's children should further just admit that they'll never have the money to afford decent education, nor will their descendants, so they should just try to get comfortable with the realization that they will be the slave labor for the educated elite.
Not that my opinion is anywhere near that extreme, but somebody had to to say it. Is a high school diploma enough for everyone to function in modern society? Plenty of people would say no -- what's the point of paying for public education if it doesn't get you to where you need to be?
The Global Market
07-12-2003, 01:20
A college education is a privelege, not a right.
Yes, good jobs are only for the rich. Poor people should suck it up and stop whining. Poor people's children should further just admit that they'll never have the money to afford decent education, nor will their descendants, so they should just try to get comfortable with the realization that they will be the slave labor for the educated elite.
Not that my opinion is anywhere near that extreme, but somebody had to to say it. Is a high school diploma enough for everyone to function in modern society? Plenty of people would say no -- what's the point of paying for public education if it doesn't get you to where you need to be?
Santin, you obviously need to research how college financial aid works. It is very rare, almost unheard of, for someone not to be able to afford a college that had a 100% need met policy... and that's all public schools and most private schools, including all of the Ivies... If a poor person is qualified, money isn't much of an issue... I know two people who got full scholarships to Penn's undergrad business school (best in the country) on need alone, and a third that got full courtesy of the Gates Foundation.
You'll notice that I attacked the statement "College education is a priviledge," not yours.
I believe that public colleges should be free for those who want to attain an undergraduate degree. The system for graduate and private schools should remain the same.
The Global Market
07-12-2003, 01:30
You'll notice that I attacked the statement "College education is a priviledge," not yours.
But the way your rebuttal was phrased it seemed to attack mine as well.
Oakeshottland
07-12-2003, 02:13
A college education is a privelege, not a right.
Yes, good jobs are only for the rich. Poor people should suck it up and stop whining. Poor people's children should further just admit that they'll never have the money to afford decent education, nor will their descendants, so they should just try to get comfortable with the realization that they will be the slave labor for the educated elite.
Not that my opinion is anywhere near that extreme, but somebody had to to say it. Is a high school diploma enough for everyone to function in modern society? Plenty of people would say no -- what's the point of paying for public education if it doesn't get you to where you need to be?
Greetings:
I must agree with Ackbaria - college education is not a right. To put it bluntly, all people do not need to go to college. In the RCO, for instance, university education is usually reserved for those interested in scientific or humanities research and careers, while those more interested in busniess, engineering, or the like go to professional schools instead. While the nation suffers somewhat from lacking a common educational background of meanings (although we are trying to bolster our primary and secondary schools for that), this system seems efficient.
As such, the RCO would not support this proposal. It is not the place of the UN to tell member nations how to run their education systems. What's next? UN-mandated cirriculums?
With Respect,
Minister of Foreign Affairs Voegelin, Royal Commonwealth of Oakeshottland.
Carlemnaria
07-12-2003, 04:31
in carlemnaria we have upper and lower schools both deparmentalized and lasting 9 years with a two year sabatical inbetween called pujshush.
the lower school starts at age 3
the pujush is at ages is from age 12 to 15 when young people leave the homes of their parents and explore the world on their own descouvering what they want to do with the rest of their life and trying out verious entry level positions and so on.
students in lower school are givin aptitude tests from time to time including when first matriculating and sorted into appropriate educational tracks accordingly.
the upper schools are organized more like the colleges and universities you are most likely familiar with.
graduates of the lower school already know calculus, electronics, and computer program among other fundimentals in life and are well grounded in phylosophy, logic and debate, but of course lake the seasoning of practical experience.
i refer you to the camaroi education system as outlined by r.a.lafferty.
at any rate both lower and upper education are completely free. well everything in carlemnaria is in one sense free as it is post monitary as well as post petrolium and post warring states.
such a resolution were to pass would thus not affect us in the least and we would be happy to vote in favor of it.
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But not on the current basis of American standards.
Quite frankly, I do not believe a service economy anywhere can properly function.
I also consider ALL education a right...every man, woman, and child should have the oppuritinty to learn and work themselves up...
So, in Quanda, we have free schools, free college, and free library.
However, we do not support only the normal services that colleges tend to teach. Rather, we teach "lower jobs" such as auto repair, as well. An education in auto repair is stiill an education.
Therefore, I suggest the UN proposal go forward based on the Quandan system
Austica supports the notion that a University education is a privilige not a right. We support the enabling of all persons to have an equal share in life, however at the same time, the Government cannot be expected to pick up the costs
Oppressed Possums
07-12-2003, 06:59
Not very much is free. Besides, I could just call my elementary schools "colleges" and it falls under the existing resolutions.
Smaptania
07-12-2003, 08:28
The Emperor does not sanction nor permit the establishment of "colleges" within his domain. Any person seeking education beyond that afforded them by the state-run elementary and secondary school programs may attend one of our military academies and serve a term in the officer corps as payment.
A college education is a privelege, not a right.
Yes, good jobs are only for the rich. Poor people should suck it up and stop whining. Poor people's children should further just admit that they'll never have the money to afford decent education, nor will their descendants, so they should just try to get comfortable with the realization that they will be the slave labor for the educated elite.
Not that my opinion is anywhere near that extreme, but somebody had to to say it. Is a high school diploma enough for everyone to function in modern society? Plenty of people would say no -- what's the point of paying for public education if it doesn't get you to where you need to be?
there are plenty of ways to get money for college if your financially challenged; government grants, loans, scolarships.
If everybody on earth went to college, it would be rendered useless. College grads get higher paying jobs over the other guy who doesnt have a college education. Nobody could get the higher paying job, cuz everybody would have a college education. Then there would be college after college.....
Catholic Europe
07-12-2003, 12:19
lower crime by b/c people from poor homes will get good grades and stay out of trouble so they could get into college
I find that highly offensiev. Just because someone is poor does not mean that they are going to commit crime. Middle and upper class people commit crime as well.
lower crime by b/c people from poor homes will get good grades and stay out of trouble so they could get into college
I find that highly offensiev. Just because someone is poor does not mean that they are going to commit crime. Middle and upper class people commit crime as well.
Crime is usually highest in poor neighborhoods because education is not always first on the family's agenda when they need money for food
i'm sorry it offends you but crime is highest in poor neighborhoods
I think a nation is only obligated to make sure that it's people can read, and do math. But if every bubba had thge right to go to school it would waste teacher, staff, and students time. Any student who wants higher education should work for it, if you have to shovel shit to get it do it, you'll become a far better person.
Oppressed Possums
08-12-2003, 03:32
I wouldn't support free coffee. Why should my nation support free college?
lower crime by b/c people from poor homes will get good grades and stay out of trouble so they could get into college
I find that highly offensiev. Just because someone is poor does not mean that they are going to commit crime. Middle and upper class people commit crime as well.
Crime is usually highest in poor neighborhoods because education is not always first on the family's agenda when they need money for food
i'm sorry it offends you but crime is highest in poor neighborhoods
Social Sciences 101. Correlation does not indicate causality. Crime is higher in poorer Urban areas for a number of reasons. Education is a low priority in poorer urban areas for a number of reasons. They may be related, but they are not causal.
E.G. Appalachian US is among the poorest parts of the world (poorer than than South Central LA and even a few 3rd world countries) yet its crime rate is among the lowest in the country. Same is true for Idaho and Montana.
Besides, the kids have to survive K-12 (or equivalent) before college even matters.
Oppressed Possums
08-12-2003, 03:53
It's probably a function of population density.
I'm afraid I cannot support entirely free college.
Archaeus chooses to regulate college education in a very simple manner. College is free to students from low-income backgrounds, and it is not for those from higher-income backgrounds. It is assumed that parents, by raising children, are agreeing to pay for them to have an education while they are too young to have made a way for themselves (payment is compulsory). Foreign students pay the full fees as well, regardless of income, though scholarships are available for poor students in countries with a poor or limiting education system. Loans are also available to help students, and handouts are given to the truly needy.
I myself have benefitted from a similar system; I come from a family with a total income of less than $35,000 a year, with five dependants, and yet I can afford to go to Cambridge because of the way tutuition fees work in Britain for national citizens. I'm very happy about this.
The fees are high enough to maintain Archaeus' institutions in relative prestige, but flexible enough that they are not economically exclusive.
- Jordan, Monarch of Archaeus
Oppressed Possums
08-12-2003, 16:06
Free college as in "Free Willy"?