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Since the passage of this resolution is now a forgone conclusion, I have to point something out about the wording of this resolution.

And I quote:
For this reason the immediate banning of the use of landmines IN CONFLICTS carried out by UN counties is called for.

Okay. For the sake of expedience, I'm going to ignore the fact that "countries" have been mistakenly referred to as "counties" and focus on the words I capitalized- in conflicts........

Basically, due to the use of these words, the resolution ONLY applies when a UN member nation is in a state of war. Therefore, when at peace, a UN member nation can buy landmines, lay them, juggle them, make the citizenry run through obstacle courses full of them, toss them at passing motorists, bury them in playgrounds, whatever they like......

Now, sounds like it doesn't matter, right? Wrong. In many cases, such as in Korea, a nation lays a huge minefield with deterrence in mind.....they use mines as part of a strategy designed to AVOID WAR. So, the mines serve the purpose intended, the war never happens, and there's still a huge minefield that might present a danger to the citizenry, rendering your resolution moot.

Sorry folks, but thanks for playing.

Booyard calls for the resolution to be re-written to stamp out landmines altogether.

- President of Booyard

Odracir calls for resolution to be struck down on the basis that the resolution is promoting the use of landmines.

I wouldn't say it "promotes" landmine use.....but it sure doesn't stop it.

Now, I'd just like to say that I voted against this resolution, and I almost kept quiet about this, because it didn't really do what it intends, and I like that! However, I believe the process matters here, and so I just couldn't help it.

*bump*

I feel I need to bump this, as it is an issue regarding the current resolution, and members need to be made aware of the problem with it.

We should just take it literally and say it doesn't apply to us because we're not UN counties.

that is certainly also an issue with this resolution.

After all, if time isn't taken to write a resolution clearly, and so that it means what it is intended to mean, then what's the damned point?

hahahaha...

I pointed this out earlier in the week on one of the other threads about the resolution, but yeah, it's another example of a poorly-written, poorly-thought out (appearently) resolution, with bad mistakes ("counties.")

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1. If you don't like this resolution, just vote against it. Don't sit around complaining about grammar, rally the support of fellow members behind you!

2. Telegram your UN delegates. There is a proposal to modify the aforementioned resolution, banning ONLY anti-personel mines.

1. If you don't like this resolution, just vote against it. Don't sit around complaining about grammar, rally the support of fellow members behind you!



First: I did vote against it.

Second: I'm not complaining about grammar. What I'm saying is that the resolution does NOT DO what it intends to. This is not an issue of grammar, but the correct use of language. If you think I'm nitpicking, then fine......so long as you're okay with member states buying and laying all the damned mines they like whether this resolution passes or not!!!!!!!!!!!

I personally am fine with that. I am GLAD that this resolution is flawed, because due to the way it was written, it means NOTHING. I just want the members to know what it is they are voting for.

I am against this resolution, or just about any like it. However, my pointing out it's flaws in no way serves my purposes. I could have just shut my mouth, let it pass, and then declared that Vegas-di-mare was buying and laying all the mines it liked, and there wasn't a damned thing the UN could do about it.

I will call for two changes to the current resolution.

1. All landmines to be fitted with a timer, which activates when the mine is armed. The mine will automatically self-destruct after the timer expires, which would be set to one month. This allows mines to be used as a constructive weapon without causing a perment hazard to the civilian population.

2. All non-timed land mines to be banned in all forms by UN countries.
This includes production, sales or any use.
The one exception will be deactived mines held by collectors of war junk.

-President Lockey of Lockcaidia

I will call for two changes to the current resolution.

1. All landmines to be fitted with a timer, which activates when the mine is armed. The mine will automatically self-destruct after the timer expires, which would be set to one month. This allows mines to be used as a constructive weapon without causing a perment hazard to the civilian population.

2. All non-timed land mines to be banned in all forms by UN countries.
This includes production, sales or any use.
The one exception will be deactived mines held by collectors of war junk.

-President Lockey of Lockcaidia


Instead of self destructing, which is extremely dangerous if there happens to be some little kids playing right beside it, then it suddenly erupts, you could make it deactivate, such as making the explosive device disconnects itself automatically. The government could be forced to keep track of the landmines, and remove it when it deactivates.

I will call for two changes to the current resolution.

1. All landmines to be fitted with a timer, which activates when the mine is armed. The mine will automatically self-destruct after the timer expires, which would be set to one month. This allows mines to be used as a constructive weapon without causing a perment hazard to the civilian population.

2. All non-timed land mines to be banned in all forms by UN countries.
This includes production, sales or any use.
The one exception will be deactived mines held by collectors of war junk.

-President Lockey of Lockcaidia


Instead of self destructing, which is extremely dangerous if there happens to be some little kids playing right beside it, then it suddenly erupts, you could make it deactivate, such as making the explosive device disconnects itself automatically. The government could be forced to keep track of the landmines, and remove it when it deactivates.

We at Dave Enterprises believe that land mines are used as an economic weapon to maim as much of the population of the enemy as possible in order to make the victims be drains on the economy. This is immoral and downright evil. The use of landmines with nuclear explosives is far more effective and could be used to a less suffering effect.
I say this as an enlightened pacifist.

That's an interesting distinction I hadn't considered. Vegas-di-mare I agree with you totally. Is there anyway of getting this changed?

Is there anyway of getting this changed?

Honestly, I'm pretty new here, but judging from the resolution list, the only way is to write a new one that replaces the old, flawed one.


Well, there it is, folks-

The resolution "Banning the use of Landmines" was passed, 14603 votes to 4967, and implemented in all UN member nations

Boy, (wiping imaginary sweat from brow) I feel safer already!!!

Is there anyway of getting this changed?

Honestly, I'm pretty new here, but judging from the resolution list, the only way is to write a new one that replaces the old, flawed one.


Well, there it is, folks-

The resolution "Banning the use of Landmines" was passed, 14603 votes to 4967, and implemented in all UN member nations

Boy, (wiping imaginary sweat from brow) I feel safer already!!!

i may be a UN nation but i have no intention of giving up my land mines, i am a small nation, we need it for protection. i just didnt vote at all.

i am for the use of landmines. after all. its a game and you need excitement :lol: :twisted:

i am for the use of landmines. after all. its a game and you need excitement :lol: :twisted:

i am for the use of landmines. after all. its a game and you need excitement :lol: :twisted:

I created a counter-proposal. It's on page 19, I think.

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I feel I need to bump this, as it is an issue regarding the resolution that passed today, and members need to be made aware of the problem with it.

*bump*

I feel I need to bump this, as it is an issue regarding the resolution that passed today, and members need to be made aware of the problem with it.

Field Marshal Tao of the Confederated Trade League of the Global Market hereby declared in the Urbe Aurora War Summit that all landmines in the Global Market's stockpiles will be renamed, "Pressure-Activated Subterranean Anti-Personal Explosive Devices," (PAS-A-PEDs) and legal.

The PRC also has renamed its landmines (to Sub surface charges) and we fully support Vegas-di-mare on this issue! We will not declear war from now on. We'll call it peackeeping operation or somthing like that!

I renamed my land mines to land traps. My nation makes money off of land mines by selling them to the government.

The PRC also has renamed its landmines (to Sub surface charges) and we fully support Vegas-di-mare on this issue! We will not declear war from now on. We'll call it peackeeping operation or somthing like that!

I still like mine better: PASs|A|PEDestrian

Yep I agree on that but renaming our mines again woud be to costy!

how about "subterranean leg relocators"

when you opt to join the UN you sign away your sovereignty to a large overarching body which you believe will make your decisions for you better than you could.

if you accepted the charter you must honor your obligation.

whatever name you opt to associate with what is usually known as a landmine doesnt matter, if it still fits the description of a landmine, it is also a landmine.

if you cannot honor your obligation to the UN, remove yourself from the organization, restore sovereignty to yourself and your people.

You cannot have your cake and eat it too, that is unless of course, you're the baker..

a large overarching body which you believe will make your decisions for you better than you could.Nope. I did it to try to make the world a better place, fully realizing that the UN would probably make my nation a worse place instead.
if you accepted the charter you must honor your obligation.No. I'm making more landmines. :twisted:
You cannot have your cake and eat it too, that is unless of course, you're the baker..*Declares self the baker*

how about "subterranean leg relocators"

SLRs? Not bad either. Sounds very fluffy. Anybody a more toy like name?

No. I'm making more landmines. :twisted:
*Declares self the baker*

Then The UN ought to place sanctions upon your nation if it wishes to wield any legitimacy at all.

It won't, don't worry.

Kaukolastan uses only "smart" mines and Claymore devices (not landmines, but almost). :twisted: Did anyone think that a nation could use Claymores or other devices similar, or delayed detonation cluster warheads. While not mines, they do the exact same thing. The problem with "meaning over words" is that people see words, not intentions.

It just bans the use of the landminds. Seriously, I don't know how they into the ground. They "magically" just got there. They're not "used" until you step on one. that must mean that if you step on one and blow off a foot or something, you shouldn't have used it.

If you are in the UN then you can not have land mines, the only way to get your land mines back is to leave the UN.

The laws are passed, and effectivly building land mines makes you leave the UN.

Wrong.
*Points to landmine factories*

But I dont have landmines.
I have land traps and leg relocators. :D

ANNNNND!!! They arent used until you step on them. So dont step on them.

I second Booywar and Odicir