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Land mines kill millions of lives every year. Yes war is war, but after the war why must innocent women and children pay for the price of another nations hostility towards their nation. Land mines are cruel, and dont stop killing after the war is over but they wait untill someone else to step upon them. Imagine you are a 6 year old child in a poor tropical nation, you are playing soccer when you step on a land mine and you now lose both legs. Now is it worth using land mines, I think not.Canuk Central uses a form of "conscription" that makes all citizens complete at least 20 years of compulsary military service. I have already ordered many weapons, and tanks for my crusade against landmines. I have 8 million troops at the moment. They are all now taking some of the best military training. Consisting of hand to hand combat, weapon classes, military tatics, stealth classes, bushcraft/ fieldcraft classes, survival sessions, physical fitness coarses, warcraft sessions, and much more. When they finish their lessons at my Marine base my nation will have the best trained military in the world. I only have 8 million but if well-trained It can stop a nation of 15 million from using landmines. If you wish to join my crusade, then move to my region Canadian Hemisphere. These troops will only be used for disarming and defusing land mines, killing terrorists, and solving international disputes (they teach tough love and keep the peace). PLEASE JOIN MY FIGHT AGAINST LAND MINES, ADD TO MY MILITARY AND JOIN MY REGION AND WE CAN END THIS SILLY FEUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Crusades are defined as holy wars. . .

I think having a holy war is not a good idea right now.

.Canuk Central uses a form of "conscription" that makes all citizens complete at least 20 years of compulsary military service. I have already ordered many weapons, and tanks for my crusade against landmines. I have 8 million troops at the moment.

The Commonwealth of Biillthecat wishes to express our sympathies to the oppressed residents of Canuk Central, for the extreme hardship imposed by 20 years of military service.

Further, we note that the current population of your nation is 8 million (coincidentally, our nuclear arsenal sums to a total equivalent of 8 million tons of explosive). Does this mean that every man, woman, child, and infant are members of your military? One wonders how a babe still in diapers could be transformed into a member of an elite military force, such as you described?

Perhaps you have overestimated the readiness of your military for action as an international peacekeeping force? Or have you recently hired an ex-Iraqi media spokesperson to serve as your public relations deputy?

Baby bombs...

Killing is wrong. In any fashion. End of story. Ban Landmines.

Baby bombs...

Excellent concept! Cybernetic genetic engineered babies with biohazard diaper payloads, hydrofluoric acid drool, and frickin laser beams on their heads!
:shock:
Run away! Run away! AAaaagghhh!

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Killing is wrong. In any fashion. End of story. Ban Landmines.

Why don't you just ban dying while you are at it?

On the serious side, and well away from exploding children bombs, I have a littel trouble with the idea of banning landmines.

Landmines are powerful weapons, but their effects are not unusual or particularly attrocious in the context of the effects of most weapons of war. I think what has attracted a lot of attention--and deserved attention at that--is the careless use of landmines and particularly the fact that far too many landmines are not removed.

Wouldn't a more reasonable resolution require the removal of all placed landmines within a certain time-period?

On the serious side, and well away from exploding children bombs, I have a littel trouble with the idea of banning landmines.

Landmines are powerful weapons, but their effects are not unusual or particularly attrocious in the context of the effects of most weapons of war. I think what has attracted a lot of attention--and deserved attention at that--is the careless use of landmines and particularly the fact that far too many landmines are not removed.

Wouldn't a more reasonable resolution require the removal of all placed landmines within a certain time-period?

Require who to remove them? Those that planted them? What incentive would they have? Would they risk sanctions?

Killing is wrong. In any fashion. End of story. Ban Landmines.

Why don't you just ban dying while you are at it?

Don't be idiotic. this is not about evasion of death, this is about the one right that all humans are guaranteed: The Right to Live. The moment we justify murder, we cease to be human.

Mariannas:
yes, but that doesn't make people feel quite as "warm and fuzzy" as "BAN ALL LANDMINES LETS SING AND DANCE AND HAVE WORLD PEACE" and so practical, obtainable proposals such as yours will never see the light of day on the UN voting floor.

Landmines do kill if they are over used placed too much. Using them for military is so needed. I mean seriously if we place them responsibly they will not show up everywhere. However such talk of this is futile when the reslotuion is going to be passed with probably a 10,000 vote lead

My mine's a land mine,
Your mine's a land mine,
In California,
Or New York Island;
In a redwood forest,
By the Gulfstream waters:
Land mines are bad for you and me.

First of all, the estimate that millions are killed by landmines every year is off by quite a bit (the number is closer to the thousands), and your willful ignorance is annoying on a personal level.

I do agree that the use of landmines is a bad idea, but for completely different reasons. They are expensive, and pose a hazard to one's own troops and civilians. However, when an invading force must be kept at bay for years at a time, devices such as landmines begin to pay off.

While I do feel that landmines are inhumane I do not think that many other weapons of war are acceptable. There are many other resources that can be implemented that are much more effective than mines and do not have the lasting effect characteristic of landmines.

land mines in war are a necessary evil. Think of a squad of twelve soldiers, one steps on a landmine , which may i add are now designed to blow off lower limbs, maybe a foot or a leg. The impact of this being ,, one man down,, two to carry him back or forward thus bringing the squad to nine,, then another , bringing the squad to six, etc etc, disabling without killing , humane id say. Although they should be mapped and dug up afterwards is another thing , but in war, we use the best we have.

While I do feel that landmines are inhumane I do not think that many other weapons of war are acceptable. There are many other resources that can be implemented that are much more effective than mines and do not have the lasting effect characteristic of landmines.

Why are we making the assumption that war is a just and correct method of problem solving? Whether we kill with landmines, cruise missles or spitballs we are still murderers!!! :evil: :x :evil:

Millions? Where did you get that? World Wide it is under 24000 injuries/deaths due to landmines a YEAR not millions.

Millions? Where did you get that? World Wide it is under 24000 injuries/deaths due to landmines a YEAR not millions.

Sop if every human has the right to live, then how come landmines are claiming lives and and not allowing people to live?

So if you support the Right to Live, then landmines will need to be banned. Many lives can, therefore, be saved.

The president of Booyard would like to stress that landmines are banned in Booyard and it should be the same worldwide.

The President of Boolyard fails to realize I believe that this resolution wouldn't ban landmines worldwide - just in member nations, not the other 66% not in the UN.

Don't be idiotic. this is not about evasion of death, this is about the one right that all humans are guaranteed: The Right to Live. The moment we justify murder, we cease to be human.

heres something for you to ponder...

When a person does something crule, they are called inhumane, when a country starves people, they are called inhumane. Well heres the perdicament; whats the defination of humaine? counldn't "humaine" be defined as what humans do? If so, how could an action that a human does which doesnt alter their genetic makeup in any way make it so they are not human? Perplexing, isn't it.

Now, to make this relevant. Who do you think sets up land mines? Humans...

Now for some other landmine support, i have seen this quote in another thread debating landmines, called something like "The Utter Ignorance of the Landmine Proposal."

"For those of you who say landmines are cruel, think of how you would feel if an army of 10,000 stood across the street and gave you 1 hour before they opened fire? Would u mine your lawn then? Would you then complain if yur kid was a retard and walked into the front lawn to play, and lost a leg? (Playing is suposted to be done in the safe unmined BACKyard). Think on this too.

ALSO, this is a UN debate forum, and NOT a region requitment forum. there is a time and a place for everything, this is not the time nor the place...

-High Lord Zanthair

The idea that this topic is a HOLY war against landmines is idotic. Everyone clames the reason why they are against landmines is the "fundementil right everyone has to live". YET YOU STILL INCURAGE WAR FOR ALL THOSE APOSED TO YOU! the fact is with or with out landmines there will be WAR AND DEATH. THERE FOR it is in the rights of a nation to defend its self and its people. landmines are a valabul tool in doing this and should remain a part of any contorys arsonal. Yes, and when a landmine field is layed down it is marked...so unless your child can not read, he or she is not going to die...and if he cant read, im glad we are lowering the ilitericy rate some how...

Land minds are good. They are an exceptibal millitary weapon and should be use as much as one should want. Plus, it kills off some of the surplus poulation.

Land mines are not placed quickly, therefore, they are very difficult to place responsibly. A mine cannot simply be dropped in the path of an oncoming opponent. Thus, a mine must be placed in advance, and far enough in advance that a mine will be invisible to the naked eye.

What happens if the army never crosses the minefield? The mines sit there, and wait for a victim. Perhaps, the mine will sit for eternity, and never kill. Then, on the other hand, someone will die or be horribly mutilated by this weapon of a war long past.

A landmine is a defensive weapon, and so remain in nations that are attacked. If it was me, would I leave explosives littering my nation's fields. Yes, we won the war, but it is our own who would still die.

Please consider this.

--Javier Luft, Konanian Delegate to the United Nations

BS resolutions and legislature like this is why I'm never going to join the UN.

Hehe, I laugh at all of you- for even as we speak, I am making thousands of land mines in my factorys, and you can't! :lol:

Here are some quotes from some posters at the Bad Astronomy BB in a general thread about all things weaponlike, this part touched on lanmines and presents them in a way that most people never think of them



Ripper 2.0

Mines are a big part of my job. I spent a lot of time in Afghanistan clearing mines that had been in the ground for decades. If properly used they are a highly effective weapon. Modern warfare relies highly on mobility, and mines are a very effective way to curtail the enemy's mobility. They get a lot of bad press because of the indescriminate way they have been used in the third world. Of course it is easy for the industrial powers to sign the "Comprehensive Mine Ban". What about the undeveloped countries who rely on them for their security. Think about this, an infantry weapon that fails 10% of the time would never be acceptable. But a crude landmine made in a rough factory in Africa that failed 10% of the time is as good as one that works 100% of the time. In a mine field you do not know where they are or how many there are. Would you be any more willing to walk into a mine field where 10% of the mines wuld likely misfire? Remember, the purpose of a mine is not to inflict casualties, but to restrict the enemy's ability to manuver.

Do I like them? No. Would I go to war without them? Never.

Ripper 2.0

A common use of mine in war is to fix the enemy in place so that they can be decisively engaged. Most troops will die in place under an artillery barrage rather than get up and try to get out of a mine field. The most powerful effect of a mine field is psycological. We used to say that it only takes one mine to make a minefield. If someone hits it, everyone else will freeze. They will not be able to trust the ground under their feet again. In fact, you do not even need mines, just leave a few empty crates around, or little patches of disturbed earth. Put up a sign in your language warning of the mines on the road ahead. Even if the ruse is obvious, would you risk it?


Ripper 2.0

It is improtant to remember that mines are obstacles, not weapons. The purpose of obstacles is to "Fix, block, turn, or disrupt the enemy." It is also doctrine that you do not emplace obstacles that you cannot cover by fire and observation. I have made the case for using mines in dead-space. In essence, keeping the ememy out of places we can't cover with fire.

The problem is that a lot of insurgent movements have been using mines as terror weapons. They lay them indiscriminately to cause casualties and demoralize the enemy or local population. This is not considered an acceptable use of mines in US military doctrine.




and now back to me, i agree with what he posted, they are an ivaluble asset when used correctly, my country will not ban them

land mines in war are a necessary evil. Think of a squad of twelve soldiers, one steps on a landmine , which may i add are now designed to blow off lower limbs, maybe a foot or a leg. The impact of this being ,, one man down,, two to carry him back or forward thus bringing the squad to nine,, then another , bringing the squad to six, etc etc, disabling without killing , humane id say. Although they should be mapped and dug up afterwards is another thing , but in war, we use the best we have.

Millions? Where did you get that? World Wide it is under 24000 injuries/deaths due to landmines a YEAR not millions.

Sop if every human has the right to live, then how come landmines are claiming lives and and not allowing people to live?

So if you support the Right to Live, then landmines will need to be banned. Many lives can, therefore, be saved.

The president of Booyard would like to stress that landmines are banned in Booyard and it should be the same worldwide.

you might as well ban everything cause in the end somthing kills us eventually, shall we ban old age too

Millions? Where did you get that? World Wide it is under 24000 injuries/deaths due to landmines a YEAR not millions.

Sop if every human has the right to live, then how come landmines are claiming lives and and not allowing people to live?

So if you support the Right to Live, then landmines will need to be banned. Many lives can, therefore, be saved.

The president of Booyard would like to stress that landmines are banned in Booyard and it should be the same worldwide.

you might as well ban everything cause in the end somthing kills us eventually, shall we ban old age too

Fools!

Do you not realise that if this resolution goes ahead then we lose our right to blow civilians up in funny ways! Morporkistan alone will lose three valued TV shows titled "Morporkistan's funniest home explosions", "The Dismemberment show" and our very own national sport titled "Put ten peasents in a stadium filled with landmines and tigers and the last one to die wins..." the last one is the best...HAHAHAHA

In closeing Morporkistan wishes to express its disbelif that the UN would allow such a STUPID act to be passed......shame....

Fools!

Do you not realise that if this resolution goes ahead then we lose our right to blow civilians up in funny ways! Morporkistan alone will lose three valued TV shows titled "Morporkistan's funniest home explosions", "The Dismemberment show" and our very own national sport titled "Put ten peasents in a stadium filled with landmines and tigers and the last one to die wins..." the last one is the best...HAHAHAHA

In closeing Morporkistan wishes to express its disbelif that the UN would allow such a STUPID act to be passed......shame....

This has been brought to the Colony of Booyard's attention.

"This is absolutely ludicrous," the UN representatine for Booyard says, "to allow the live and actual killing or slaughtering of people or animals for entertainment is unnecessary and cruel. This is surely in breach of human rights. How this is allowed to go on is beyond my knowledge."

Booyard's UN representative will be in Parilament later on today to discuss the issue of Morporkistan's idea of entertaiment.

Let us stress that landmines are not for entertainment purposes and are absolutely unnecessary killing devices - if not cowardly, even.

Fools!

Do you not realise that if this resolution goes ahead then we lose our right to blow civilians up in funny ways! Morporkistan alone will lose three valued TV shows titled "Morporkistan's funniest home explosions", "The Dismemberment show" and our very own national sport titled "Put ten peasents in a stadium filled with landmines and tigers and the last one to die wins..." the last one is the best...HAHAHAHA

In closeing Morporkistan wishes to express its disbelif that the UN would allow such a STUPID act to be passed......shame....

You want to see entertainment? Put landmines on a golf course. As long as they are killing the poor and disenfranchised, or the enemy, I'm sure you don't care. But if you had to line up your putt on the 13th green not knowing if you'd make it to the next tee-box with your knees intact, and you may feel differently.

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My mine's a land mine,
Your mine's a land mine,
In California,
Or New York Island;
In a redwood forest,
By the Gulfstream waters:
Land mines are bad for you and me.







THATS SO DUMB AND LAME!

Killing is wrong. In any fashion. End of story. Ban Landmines.

Why don't you just ban dying while you are at it?

Don't be idiotic. this is not about evasion of death, this is about the one right that all humans are guaranteed: The Right to Live. The moment we justify murder, we cease to be human.

So you are saying that we should do everything in our power to prolong our own lives; short of "murder"?

Killing is wrong. In any fashion. End of story. Ban Landmines.

Why don't you just ban dying while you are at it?

Don't be idiotic. this is not about evasion of death, this is about the one right that all humans are guaranteed: The Right to Live. The moment we justify murder, we cease to be human.

So you are saying that we should do everything in our power to prolong our own lives; short of "murder"?

No, I'm saying that no one has the right to take another's life whether it be a land mine, arsenic, forced viewing of reality TV, etc.

If one of you tries to make me give up landmines, you're dead wrong. I'll laugh at you while your men get football sized holes in their chest blown off by my rows of smart claymore mines that track body heat to increase the chance of a kill.

You want to make non-UN nations like me give up mines? Walk across our mined borders and take them.

The use of landmines for entertainment purposes, as I pointed out before, is absolutely and incredibly stupid.

This is why landmines must be banned. It is incredibly foolish that these weapons are still in use. We must protect innocent lives and stamp out landmines.

Either that or design landmines that remain "dormant" during peaceful periods of time. That is an alternative - a sufficient defense while no innocent lives are lost.

I welcome your thoughts.

If one of you tries to make me give up landmines, you're dead wrong. I'll laugh at you while your men get football sized holes in their chest blown off by my rows of smart claymore mines that track body heat to increase the chance of a kill.

You want to make non-UN nations like me give up mines? Walk across our mined borders and take them.
First: You are not a UN nation. Thus, sir, this resolution will not apply to you anyway.

Second: To be frank, if Konania wanted your landmines, we would take them.

--Javier Luft

Yes, but Booyard has been trying to enforce this on non-UN nations. Little punk.

Fools!

Do you not realise that if this resolution goes ahead then we lose our right to blow civilians up in funny ways! Morporkistan alone will lose three valued TV shows titled "Morporkistan's funniest home explosions", "The Dismemberment show" and our very own national sport titled "Put ten peasents in a stadium filled with landmines and tigers and the last one to die wins..." the last one is the best...HAHAHAHA


Man, that's a shame to lose that last one. I hope the "Best Of..." is made soon so the people of Klanggadar will be able to witness the hilarity of that show. If I have to, I'll make the electronic stores order many copies of that DVD upon availability.

Dictator Klang