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For a small nation, land mine is the most cost-effective self defence method.

Landmines are the cheapest way to destroy enemy infantry and tanks. Since we don't have the money to make expensive tanks and cruise missles, this rather crude weaponary is essential for our survival.

yes they are, I am willing to sell in surplus numbers, 200 million plus

The Dominion of Derfel is a strong and powerful nation and would be happy to supply land mines to the Islamic Kingdoms if they are required.

Landmines are needed and the UN has no place in banning a defense mechanism, they could get away with possibly regulating their extraction after a war but not banning the one thing that keeps some countries free. next thing we know they will start banning AA guns and so forth thereby helping non UN members kill of the UN ones. This bill can not go forward or we will see the true disadvantage of to much global government

What are you thinking??? Land mines ae as sick and cowardly way to fight a war. You want to turn back an invasion forman alliance with fellow nations don't resort to cowardly tactics to delay the inevitable you fight to win or die trying. I've seen the damage they can do. Thank about in 50 years when a child lies helpless and bleeding in a field all alone with nothing but a stump for a left leg. Just beacuse you resorted to cowardly tactics to defend your nation. I would be more than glad to post 4 divisions for my Infantry to defend your country if it means that you won't use those subterrainean terrors.

Landmines are needed and the UN has no place in banning a defense mechanism, they could get away with possibly regulating their extraction after a war but not banning the one thing that keeps some countries free. next thing we know they will start banning AA guns and so forth thereby helping non UN members kill of the UN ones. This bill can not go forward or we will see the true disadvantage of to much global government

Banning AA guns? Why would they do that? AA guns don't sit around undetected in a field and kill civilians decades after the war ended... unless you have some very special AA guns.

Landmines are needed and the UN has no place in banning a defense mechanism, they could get away with possibly regulating their extraction after a war but not banning the one thing that keeps some countries free. next thing we know they will start banning AA guns and so forth thereby helping non UN members kill of the UN ones. This bill can not go forward or we will see the true disadvantage of to much global government

wot bill?

Don't you realize, if we can't use landmines and non-UN nations can they'll be at an advantage is a UN member and non-UN member go to war, I'm against landmines but since it can't be used against the ENTIRE world I voted no on this resolution

What are you thinking??? Land mines ae as sick and cowardly way to fight a war. You want to turn back an invasion forman alliance with fellow nations don't resort to cowardly tactics to delay the inevitable you fight to win or die trying. I've seen the damage they can do. Thank about in 50 years when a child lies helpless and bleeding in a field all alone with nothing but a stump for a left leg. Just beacuse you resorted to cowardly tactics to defend your nation. I would be more than glad to post 4 divisions for my Infantry to defend your country if it means that you won't use those subterrainean terrors.
War is not about being honorable. War is about winning. Being honorable went out with the suit of armor. I'm sure they said the same thing about the musket. Killing is an effective defense, and using landmines to soften up and delay superior numbers while you reinforce and prepare is not honorable, but it works. Moving men requires large amounts of logistics. Landmines do not. Honor has no place on the modern battlefield.

I have landmines for sale. How many do you need?

I have landmines for sail. How many do you need?
I guaruntee mine are more effective. :wink:
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One Antipersonnel mine I use doesn't even need pressure, it reacts to human heat signatures and sprays them with 1mm tungsten flechettes traveling at 2000 mps.

I agree... war is not honourable full stop. War cannot be conceived as honourable... but landmines are better than have men die when you could just put landmines out.

Though i do think it shoul be passed that alll land mines have a remote control. Thus when conflict has ended... BOOM.

Of course something might stop a few going off. One person may die but think of the thousands of men that could have tried stopping them with guns.

I wish to offer Islamix Kingdoms as many mines as he likes from our child labour sweatshops in exchange for his goodwill.

I have landmines for sail. How many do you need?
I guaruntee mine are more effective. :wink:
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One Antipersonnel mine I use doesn't even need pressure, it reacts to human heat signatures and sprays them with 1mm tungsten flechettes traveling at 2000 mps.
But mine are cheaper and just as effective. If you don't have enough money, I'll accept organs for payment.

I think that you're all forgeting the alternitive to land mines. The bouncy mine. This device dosn't sit around wait for people to walk onto it, It bounces aroud cities crashing into people then expolding. So far the UN hasn't tried to ban these very special mines.

War is not about being honorable. War is about winning.

Gee, I hope all those citizens nations have lost through wars weren't fighting just to WIN. They were fighting for a CAUSE.

What are you thinking??? Land mines ae as sick and cowardly way to fight a war. You want to turn back an invasion forman alliance with fellow nations don't resort to cowardly tactics to delay the inevitable you fight to win or die trying. I've seen the damage they can do. Thank about in 50 years when a child lies helpless and bleeding in a field all alone with nothing but a stump for a left leg. Just beacuse you resorted to cowardly tactics to defend your nation. I would be more than glad to post 4 divisions for my Infantry to defend your country if it means that you won't use those subterrainean terrors.
War is not about being honorable. War is about winning. Being honorable went out with the suit of armor. I'm sure they said the same thing about the musket. Killing is an effective defense, and using landmines to soften up and delay superior numbers while you reinforce and prepare is not honorable, but it works. Moving men requires large amounts of logistics. Landmines do not. Honor has no place on the modern battlefield.

The Crossbow is what upset them back then The only thing the musket had going for it, was it was extremely cheap, A medival suit of armor hasbeen proven to be able stand up to a bullet round from a modern combat rifle. Land mines can be a nessassery evil on a battlefield, if I had to choose, I would even voilate this resolution if it passed if I truely needed to use landmines to hold off an enemy who was attacking me.

Speaking as one who's very economy depends on the ability of others to wage war, I feel that this is a travesty of justice and an unfair trade embargo on my fair and peaceful nation.

Yours in Public Service,

Father Nye
Church of Starry Wisdom

Surely we do not need to resort to such a resolution which may prove crippling to nations suffering from attacks by enemies. Perhaps it would be better to use landmines in moderations or apply a sort of standard to use of them. Besides, I believe that noteable honour can be counted from a nation's organization and strategy.

The problem isn't landmines them selves, but rather the fact that the country who put them there dosn't keep track of them, or bother to remove them after the war. The rsolution should be changed to make governments keep track of landmines, and remove them right after a war.

I think that you're all forgeting the alternitive to land mines. The bouncy mine. This device dosn't sit around wait for people to walk onto it, It bounces aroud cities crashing into people then expolding. So far the UN hasn't tried to ban these very special mines.

I should get myself some of those...

We of Chumba are dead against the use of Land Mines.

There is no reason to ban land mines. The issue can be dealt with by restricting the types of land mines used. US land mines, for example, now have timing mechanisms, which disable the land mines after a short period. While this limits their long-term strategic and political use, say in mining a boarder with a hostile enemy for extended periods, they still have great tactical use.

None of the “civilian protection” arguments hold against such timed landmines any more than against any other sort of weaponry.

Labeling exact locations and disabling after war is a less satisfactory solution as some types of mechanical mine distribution systems do not allow for such labeling.

Burkonia will support restricting land mine use to timed devices that self-deactivate but will not accept the irrational proposal of banning all land mines.

Burkonia will support restricting land mine use to timed devices that self-deactivate but will not accept the irrational proposal of banning all land mines.
Frisbeeteria does not share Burkonia's trust in technology. While conceptually it seems a reasonable idea, practically it is not.

Nation-states wishing to comply with a proposal phrased to allow timed devices could manufacture the crudest and least reliable timing mechanisms and still be in compliance with the law. Unless you as a nation are willing to concede sovereignty and permit UN or foreign national inspectors in your production facilities, this is an unenforecable proviso.

The Allied States of Frisbeeteria have no desire to invite foreign weapons inspectors into our territories, irregardless of the fact that we neither have nor intend to build such facilities. Our observance of the principle of sovereignty simply would not permit it. Rather than submit to the indignity of violating soverignty, we would prefer to ban landmines altogether. We shall not use them, neither shall we permit them to be used against us.

If I may be permitted, our trade delegation requests that I point out that our research and development teams are even now perfecting a mine-clearing variation of our War Frisbee. It promises to be even more effective than the mini-flail or Panther roller tanks. We're still working on extending the delivery area and improving the throw rate, but expectations are high. We've made our mine disarmament industry a national impoerative.

We may be a small and young country, but we've got our priorities right.

Where do I get those bouncy mines?