NationStates Jolt Archive

Im planning to vote against it, what about the rest of you?

I'm inclined to support it.

I'm inclined to support it.

I'll probably vote FOR it.

Lord Evif, Goobergunchian UN Ambassador
DU Regional Delegate

They should be banned.

After nineteen hours of debate, our Senate has decided to vote for this resolution by a vote of 139-86, narrowly passing hte 60% requirement.

Unless Psytropia sudenly springs back to life and starts complaining about my voting habbits again, I plan to vote for it.

Torture is a vital means of extracting information from criminals, especially terrorists. Banning it would put a significant dent into the governments ability to fight crime and terrorism

Torture is a vital means of extracting information from criminals, especially terrorists. Banning it would put a significant dent into the governments ability to fight crime and terrorism

I pitty a government that has to resort to torture to extract information. And if you are torturing people to extract information I believe your government is bigger threat the terroists ever could be.

"Barbaric punishments" is an arbitrary term. I could say that simply arresting people is barbaric and NO ONE in the UN should arrest their people but that is a very bad idea.

A term like "barbaric" is very....loose. A more absolute term should be used. What I may consider barbaric may be just a slap on the wrist to another culture.

Exactly. Burning at the stake could still be very popular.

The Ministry of Cultural Development informs the Imperial Government that "vigorous interrogation" is an important investigative tool in its arsenal employed in the defence of Pantocratorian culture. I will therefore, be voting no to its abolition. Hopefully after I do so, the Ministry of Cultural Development will stop investigating my wife and children on the charge of playing a forbidden foreign pop-song in the privacy of their own basement, with the volume down very very low.

Pantocratorian Ambassador to the United Nations

LOL--Nothin like a good ol' fashioned stake burning, but this illustrates my point perfectly. Nation A may use stake burning as a punishment for a crime while Nation B may only use imprisonment. Nation B would most certainly view Nation A as "barbaric"; however, Nation C may rehabilitate its criminals with drugs and psychiatric treament and view Nation B as "barbaric." To each his own--as for me, there's a stake burning going on and I'm going to make some s'mores.

Does that mean we have to crack down on "barbarians"? Have you seen those guys?

Barbarians are some freaky people...I don't want none of that.

The Ministry of Cultural Development informs the Imperial Government that "vigorous interrogation" is an important investigative tool in its arsenal employed in the defence of Pantocratorian culture. I will therefore, be voting no to its abolition.
Now there is someone with some sense.

Rotovia: The end justifies the means. Simple.

The only 'end' you're achieving is oppressive government. If you really believe that the ends justify the means, then does that mean that I would be perfectly justified in taking all of your money against your will... as long as it goes to a good cause?

Would we be justified in killing everyone who isn't white... because that would create racial peace?

The ends do NOT justify the means. This is why we have laws.

The Ministry of Cultural Development informs the Imperial Government that "vigorous interrogation" is an important investigative tool in its arsenal employed in the defence of Pantocratorian culture. I will therefore, be voting no to its abolition.
Now there is someone with some sense.

Rotovia: The end justifies the means. Simple.

Even if the end is the breakdown of the rights and freedoms of your citizens?

I believe the proposal used the term "torture."

Heh, just to make this IC, the Parliament of The Zoogie People will debate this thoroughly over the next week and end up supporting it by an 87%-13% ratio.

And I do not agree with "The end justifies the means." For example, in any video game, you can cheat (well, basically any video game) and win. Happy ending. Yay. Woo hoo. Does that justify your means? Interrogation is the attempt of extracting information from suspects...if you get it through immoral methods, that's violating their rights as human.

The Emperor, upon reviewing this proposal, has come to the following conclusions:

1. This resolution defines "torture" as "breaking bones, brusing, blinding, or use of cruel and unusual punishment".

2. Therefore, this resolution will not prevent the Military Police from using fire, cold, electricity, mind-altering drugs, or other varieties of psychological interrogation provided that they are doled out equally to all offenders.

3. Likewise, the prohibition against "punishments that do not fit" the crime shall not prohibit the Military Police from exercising corporal or capital punishments provided that they are not dispatched in unusual manners.

Therefore, the Emperor shall assent to this proposal.

Sign'd, Duke Thomas Wellington, his Military Majesty's Ambassador to the UN,
in the name of Hieronymus XXXVII Smap, DEO GRACI IMPERATOR.

Falconry agrees with the UN. THERE WILL BE NO BARBARIC PUNISHMENTS IN FALCONRY. PRESIDENT RAVEN HAS SPOKEN!

I will vote against it

The Colony of Booyard's Parliament has recently debated this issue and hopes to conclude on this within a few days. Currently the vote stands on 3:1 approximately within the voting population on bringing the ban in Booyard as law.

Booyard's UN representative, S. Kempthorne, hopes to make the resolution to ban the use of barbaric punishments by the UN law in Booyard. Currently, he is in talks with Booyard's President over the matter.

Falconry, don't you mean you vote for this proposal?