Alternative Fuels Proposal
Finally, after numerous attempts this proposal looks to become a resolution. This proposal will benefit the environment in countless ways, further political stability, and in the end be a benefit to industry. This proposal is currently the third on page one and I hope that every delegate will approve it and every UN nation encourage their nation to approve it. This is a flawless resolution, it follows the UN charter, it actually does something, and it benefits all.
This has to be the first time someone has taken real active steps to cure this problem.
This has to be the first time someone has taken real active steps to cure this problem.
This has to be the first time someone has taken real active steps to cure this problem.
which one triple posting?
That was an accident, I hate my browser. :oops:
Oppressed Possums
26-11-2003, 01:32
First time? Over 6 months ago I posted a proposal to create international funding to find alternatives but no one voted for it.
Rational Self Interest
26-11-2003, 02:18
How about the new UN proposal "P***ing money down a rathole"? It does exactly the same thing, but more efficiently.
Just kidding.
There is no such proposal.
(And that's "pouring" money down a rathole. Whatever did you think it was?)
Rational Self Interest
26-11-2003, 02:18
How about the new UN proposal "P***ing money down a rathole"? It does exactly the same thing, but more efficiently.
Just kidding.
There is no such proposal.
(And that's "pouring" money down a rathole. Whatever did you think it was?)
Oppressed Possums, I think Dodeana meant that it is the first time something will actually happen (no insult to your valiant efforts).
I don't know how putting money into desperately needed research is "pouring money down a rathole". Alternative fuels are viable with research and research is the key word of course.
There is nothing wrong wrong with research into alternative fuels, however ther is nothing wrong with research into our current fuel sources. This proposal is not based in science, it is based on 'chicken little' fairy tale. How will this hydrogen be produced? In larger industrialized nations wind and solar simply can not supply the power required, electrically separating hydrogen from oxygen will have to be done by fossil fuels or nuclear energy. This proposal places an unacceptable burden on all the United Nations, including the smaller countries that do not have nuclear capabilities or viable wind, solar, and geo-thermic means of power generation. The economic damage to to less developed counties could be devestating. We would rather have people improve their standard of living than pass legislation that may or may not have a foundation in fact.
I'm sorry that you can't believe evidence that is as plain as the eye can see, but again for the thousandth time just because we can't replace fossil fuels with an alternative fuel tomorrow doesn't mean we can't do so in the future. What determines are future capability? Research. The resolution specifies only a tiny percentage has to go to this research. We aren't going to be bankrupting anyone.
Oppressed Possums
26-11-2003, 04:20
So, can I be the rathole?
"evidence that is as plain as the eye can see"...ozone depletion (not proven to be caused by man) is not related to the green-house effect which is caused by infrared relective gases i.e. CO2 (also not proven to be caused by man if it taking place at all). Our planet has been through massive climate swings long before industrial man came along. Ice ages, heat ages....they just happen, it Mother Nature at work.
Oppressed Possums
26-11-2003, 04:23
Actually, it's because of global warming and greenhouse gases that vegitition has become stronger and healtier.
Oppressed Possums
26-11-2003, 04:24
I still say that the world's energy problems would be cured if someone could harness the power of the broken wind.
Teritora
26-11-2003, 04:27
Such an proposal is not really needed because of the followed passed Resolution:
Hydrogen Powered Vehicles
A resolution to increase the quality of the world's environment, at the expense of industry.
Category: Environmental Industry Affected: Automobile Manufacturing Proposed by: Kibombwe
Description: We, the people of Kibombwe, propose that every nation should start developing hydrogen powered cars. We have polluted the air for too long -- it needs to stop. By passing this resolution we will be able to accompish these three things. 1. Less acid rain. Acid rain a problem that we feel should be stopped. It is especially a problem in the Northeast corner of the U.S.A. The Northeast is a place rich in historical buildings which acid rain damages. We passed a "PROTECT HISTORICAL SITES." This would only furthermore protect historical sites. 2. We wouldn't have to use as much oil. Oil is a nonrenewable resource that we only have so much of. By passing this resolution we would only prolong the time that we have oil on earth. 3. We would have cleaner air. Does anyone remember the days when "fresh air" was actually fresh? When it was a pure thing, without chemicals and other junk mixing in the air. With cleaner air, everyone would live longer, happier lives. I hope that anyone and everyone who reads this agrees with us. PLEASE MAKE THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE!!!
Votes For: 12533
Votes Against: 3280
Implemented: Mon Jun 16 2003
Precedent eh? You got a point, but I think that the alternative fuels is considering putting money into researching the possiblity of replacing fossil fuel and nuclear power plants with things such as wind, hydrogen, and solar plants. Its worth consideration, considering the amount of pollution caused by fossil fuels. The arguments that they are inefficient may hold true today, but that's what people probably said about coal and the steam engine back during the Industrial Revolution and look where that got us. Therefore, we see no problem with investing in alternative fuel sources. After all, The Fiefdom of Baron Porkonia has already invested heavily in wind farms, severly restricting land space available for infrastructure expansion... but oh well :D
Temperature changes have occured in history, ozone has not dissapeared before. It is a scientific fact that air pollution depletes ozone. Furthermore, this is only one argument against an entire case of arguments. At least one, we are running out of fossil fuels, is even more important and completely irrefutable.
The previous resolution does not garuntee research nor does it provide a solution if hydrogen were to fail.
Rational Self Interest
26-11-2003, 04:47
...just because we can't replace fossil fuels with an alternative fuel tomorrow doesn't mean we can't do so in the future. What determines are future capability? Research...
Oh, ok. But let's research perpetual motion machines instead. They're even cooler.
Yeah, I agree, and while we're at it why don't we stop funding AIDS and Cancer research. Let's ignore every previous scientific development in history because cars, TVs, and computers appeared out of thin air.