NationStates Jolt Archive

Our nation has submitted to the United Nations our proposed GLOBAL CONVENTION ON TORTURE. We would appreciate fellow progressive-minded United Nations members considering supporting our proposal, or giving us feedback on how it could be improved.

Our government regards the United Nations as the ideal vehicle through which to establish not so much specific, straight-jacketed rules, but rather general guiding principles which may be interpreted sympathetically to a nation's unique sensibilities by local governments. Our agenda at the United Nations is the advancement of standards for basic human rights, and to this end we have submitted a convention on torture, and a Senate Committee is investigating a resolution to standardize basic labour conditions requirements.

From, the Office of the Praetor,
The Confederacy of the Missouri

Some people enjoy torture. It makes an interesting spectator sport.

Here's a member in favor. You approach seems wise and workable. The UN can set the parameters and let the sovereign nations work out the details.

My proposal has disappeared - did I miss something in the FAQ? Do proposals only have a certain periord of time to gain the required number of supporters?

Torture is the ONLY method to punish criminals and extract information from terrorists. Plus in my nation it's also makes great prime time viewing.

Torture is a crime against nature. Anyone that will punish I man for a crime with a larger crime is an absolute dolt. How can you expect your countrymen to act like civilized people if there government is ran by uncivilized politians. The only thing torture settles is the blood lust of those that sentenced it.

"Torture is a device used by states to keep the nations they are supposed to serve under control"

Torture is a crime against nature. Anyone that will punish I man for a crime with a larger crime is an absolute dolt. How can you expect your countrymen to act like civilized people if there government is ran by uncivilized politians. The only thing torture settles is the blood lust of those that sentenced it.

My people like to watch it LIVE! on tv. I guess we're all sick then... :roll:

Torture is a crime against nature. Anyone that will punish I man for a crime with a larger crime is an absolute dolt. How can you expect your countrymen to act like civilized people if there government is ran by uncivilized politians. The only thing torture settles is the blood lust of those that sentenced it.

Who are you to say what is and is not civilized? I say that eating food is uncivilized.

Can somebody post it here? I am in full support of abolishing torture, but I want to see what you define 'torture' as and also how you want to go about abolishing it. Remember, 90% of the time, the ends do not justify the means.

Can we still eat our prisoners?

Proposal search for "torture" and "global" both turn up zero matches. :?

I'd expect "global" to come up at least once, but eh.

Santin -
As noted higher on the page, the motion seems to have vanished from the United Nations proposals roster - I'm trying to figure out why at the moment!

The Global Market -
The proposal was as follows:
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International Convention on Torture

The Confederacy of the Missouri,

BELIEVING that torture is never appropriate in civlized society,

BELIEVING FURTHER that the torture creates more problems in general than it solves in particular,

NOTING that the acceptance or use of torture in any nation legitimizes the use of torture by other nations,

AND DEFINING torture as the deliberate application of physical or psychological duress above and beyond that created by their incarceration, for the purpose of obtaining information,

Hereby proposes this International Convention on Torture:


1. That torture be ruled to be against international law;

2. That evidence obtained, or suspected of having been obtained, under conditions of torture or extended duress, be considered null and void in any court of law, without prejudice to the case at hand;

3. That a UN member found to be practising torture be ejeceted from the UN until such time as they can demonstrate their having ceased all activities that constitute torture.
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This motion extends and expands apuon the Universal Bill of Human Rights already passed by the United Nations. It is necessarily broad in its definitions and remedies, in line with our view that the UN should seek to establish statements of standards and principles, not specific policy - leaving nations free to implement proposals in ways that are sympathetic to local sensibilities while still complying with international standards,


The Morgain Empire has submitted some criticisms of the text, which can be found here, complete with our counter-arguments:
http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=96793&highlight=


From, the Office of the Praetor,
The Confederacy of the Missouri

Keep your "enlightened" laws to yourself. Our nation is plagued with terrorist scum and the only way to know where they will strike next is by quick "interrogation." We dont have time to give them a cup of tea and interview them. This is a matter of life and death for our people.

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Office of Humanitarian Assistance
Ministry of Foreign Affairs

Friend,

I congratulate you on your motion to the UN. You should know that my office and that of the President are fully behind your efforts to eradicate torture.

I have added a motion of support to the agenda of our national assembly which I expect to be ratified soon. You can keep up to date with Belarussian politics at our website http://www.belarus-un.cjb.net

The people of Belarus extend the hand of friendship to those of the Missouri.

Liz Reader
Minister responsable for Humanitarian Assistance
Commonwealth of Belarussian States

If this goes to an official proposal ill vote against it.

My nation doesnt torture dissenters, we just execute them by firing squad.

seriously this proposal is a bad one. First off what do you cross the line between torture in the first place? For some criminals that's the only thing you can do! BAD IDEA! BAD PROPOSAL!

I think that toture should not be allowed. Any resolution thus which supports and asks for the banning of it has Catholic Europe's full support.

I have in my hand a form signed by all the people we have tortured (that's over 1 million signatures!) and they have all said that they enjoyed the torture and would like to see it's practise continued.

See? Even suspected terrorists think torture is a good thing.

seriously this proposal is a bad one. First off what do you cross the line between torture in the first place? For some criminals that's the only thing you can do! BAD IDEA! BAD PROPOSAL!

In order for us to respond to your comments, we must ask that you restate your objection in language that makes sense.