The Rights of Labor Union should be outlawed.
If you read through this proposal you will see at the end, in article number 7 I beleive where it makes it against the law to enact any counter measures. So if passed, it must stay on the record as is for ever or the person trying to improve upon it will guilty of breaking the law.
Totalitarianism is never to be legislated.
We only have until tomorrow to strike down this insane idea. Let's get moving quickly.
Greater Canadiana
24-11-2003, 06:56
As a UN Delegate, I did not endorse the current proposal.
No - point 7 simply says that no law shall be passed that contravenes this resolution - which of course would have been true whether point 7 had been there or not. In this sense it is superfluous.
Recall -
1. UN Resolutions, once passed, becomes binding for all member countries.
2. It follows from this that no national legislation can be passed that contravenes UN legislation, whether or not this is explicitly stated in the UN resolution
3. UN legislation can only be changed at the UN level
4. If you don't like it, you can always quit the UN.
5. In any case, it is a matter of interpretation what is consistent with the resolution and what is not.
What you cannot do is have laws that contradict themselves - which is what you would get if you pass laws that contradict this resolution.
cheers
Do not merely abstain from voting - vote AGAINST this!
As for making laws against it, you can. You're not supposed to, but you can. The UN is ever ineffective with ensuring the nations abide to it.
Well - the resolution automatically becomes legislation in all member states once it is passed. This means that it IS your national law, and that if you make laws contradicting it, you will have contradictory national laws. Resolutions here are not remotely comparable to resolutions in the real world, which do not have such a status. In practice, they are rather comparable to conventions and other instruments of international law (except that they can be imposed on you, which conventions in RL can't). The point in any case is that regardless of what you think about the issue as such, pt 7 does not say anything that is not implied in any case.
Anyway, AFAICS the resolution basically just expresses some general principles of labor rights that are a natural corollary of any democratic society, so we have no problem with it.
cheers
No. The way the nation states system code works makes the idea affect numerical values. You coud easly pass a law against unions in a issue you get later and the system code wouldn't stop you at all. It just alters values assigned to your country.
Yes, I know, but 1) While this is technically speaking the case, it is not in the spirit of the thing and 2) if you look at it that way, how does pt 7 matter? Or is there something I do not realise about the game mechanics here?
Celdonia
24-11-2003, 14:13
No. The way the nation states system code works makes the idea affect numerical values. You coud easly pass a law against unions in a issue you get later and the system code wouldn't stop you at all. It just alters values assigned to your country.
Yes you could undo the resolution, but if you happen to RP on the forums you would be a fair target for those accusing you of breaking UN regulations.
Just because the game allows you to counteract UN resolutions doesn't mean that you are, as a UN member, within your rights to do so.
Although I Voted Against it ( Having read in on the main UN page) I would really like to know just where is , and how do I get to , the infamous "Proposal List Page". I keep reading referneces to a list of some 19 pages of proposals but I can't Find it! Could some one Telegraph me and let me know where it is? Please ( And Yes I am a newbi) :D
Oppressed Possums
24-11-2003, 16:05
How is it "social justice"?
AnteNicea, I think one must be a regional delegate in the UN to be able to access the proposals before they (if they are endorsed) go into public voting.
Celdonia
24-11-2003, 16:40
AnteNicea, I think one must be a regional delegate in the UN to be able to access the proposals before they (if they are endorsed) go into public voting.
Nope, you should be able to get to them on the UN page even if you aren't a delegate. The link is just above "Recent Events" and is called "List Proposals".
In fact, you'll find them at this URL: http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=UN_proposal