NationStates Jolt Archive

The UN delegates of Nationstates are becoming complacent and decadent!

Only a small minority of the delegates even bother to look at proposals, the exact thing they were chosen to do. Is no one else bothered as much as i am about this?

It only takes 6% aproval to pass a proposal on to the UN, SIX MEASLY PERCENT! it should be difficult for proposals (excepting those which are extrodinarily stupid) to not be approved... yet there is not one single proposal with enough support to get enqued for a vote, not one, and the current vote finishes tomorrow!

This is a major problem, and one that is mirrored in the number of members who vote. Delegates should either take their positions seriously and get there and actually read proposals, or they should tell people ot withdraw their endorcements and stop bogging down the bloody system.

Is in a general agreement with this statement. Agreed, there are 19 pages of proposals out there... however, if the delegates would take their time to skim through the first 5-8 pages (or at least the ones where the support voting ends on that date).

If you don't want to skim through that much... well then why are you a delegate? I would like to be a delegate, but honestly, I don't have the time and therefore don't ask for the job (though I could easily have it for our region rotates the delegates around weekly.)

I dunno, I'd say that as long as there's at least one resolution up for vote at all times, the requirement is low enough. It probably wouldn't be good to have a queue that goes a few months into the future.

Assuming that proposals still in need of endorsements would appear in the listing (I have no idea), you seem to be correct that there isn't anything in, or even particularly close to being in, the queue right now.

I read the ideas but most of them i dont like so i dont endorse.......im thinking of pretty soopn endorsing any good resolutions wether i like em orn ot just to get em up to vote.

I'm just looking at the number of aprovals needed for all the proposals, and unless there are a bunch of delegates just waiting for the current vote to finish before the approve something, i can't see how we are not going to have to wait...

ANd i still maintain that 6% support should go bye like nothing... i mean really, even if it were to be a really close vote, (splite almost 50/50) that means that around 90% of our delegates haven't looked at it... more than a little pathetic, that's really my point...

Perhaps the problem is not that delegate are complacent, uncaring or inactive, but that there are very few proposals that are actually worthy of serious consideration. Have you taken the time to read them all. I have. Until a few days ago, I had been regional delegate for 6 months and I read them all, and endorsed only a tiny percentage. If there were better proposals submitted, you would see more that recieve the required support to become a resolution.

I read the ideas but most of them i dont like so i dont endorse.......im thinking of pretty soopn endorsing any good resolutions wether i like em orn ot just to get em up to vote.

Shouldn't UN Delegates be objective when they endorse a proposal anyway? It dosen't mean they have to vote for it.

In no way do i mean that every proposal should be endorsed irrespective of its content, obviously, not all proposals are worthy of an endorsement.

I look though the first 8 pages or so when I get the chance, but at the moment virtually none of them are clear enough or attempt to tackle some of the issues that could arise from their proposal passing enough for me to endorse

I think there should be a requirement that ALL Proposal and Resolutions must be acted on by all UN Member Nations. The Choices could be (for Proposals) "Support", "Oppose" or Desmiss as "Frivalous". All Proposals should be required to have a 10% Support before becoming a Resolution BUT ALL Resolutions MUST HAVE 50%+1 Approval Vote before Passing.
If in any situation there is a Majority of "Not Voting" The Resolution DOES NOT PASS. This is just BAsic Common Since Democracy Folks.

On The Other Hand There should be a Participation Requirement of All Member Nations, say 50%. Meaning that if any Member Nation Fails to act on at least 50% of all Resolution in a Months time they are removed from "Voting Member" Status and Placed on "Observer" Status for the next Month. ( They would still have the right to speak and make themselves heard, via the forums durring this time, but not vote.)

Com'on Folks , With Rights Comes Responsibilities. :o

Has anybody proposed that propopsals should have a higher percentage to pass? (i.e. 66% or 60% instead of 50%?)

This would reduce the number of proposals passed, and keep a sense of stabillity. I look at the number of proposals passd lately, and it seems that an unusually high proportion make it through.

It would also give proposals passed more of a "mandate" and hopefully cut down on the number of people yelling about being screwed by proposals that they did not support.

The obvious downside is that things would be a bit less lively around here...

Just a thought.

The UN delegates of Nationstates are becoming complacent and decadent!

Only a small minority of the delegates even bother to look at proposals, the exact thing they were chosen to do. Is no one else bothered as much as i am about this?

It only takes 6% aproval to pass a proposal on to the UN, SIX MEASLY PERCENT! it should be difficult for proposals (excepting those which are extrodinarily stupid) to not be approved... yet there is not one single proposal with enough support to get enqued for a vote, not one, and the current vote finishes tomorrow!

This is a major problem, and one that is mirrored in the number of members who vote. Delegates should either take their positions seriously and get there and actually read proposals, or they should tell people ot withdraw their endorcements and stop bogging down the bloody system.

We are not complacent. We read the proposals and disagree with them. There have been too many proposals passed already, some of ehich are mutually inconsistent. This "complacency" trend is a good thing for the UN. IUt means we are using good judgement.