NationStates Jolt Archive

We here at the Holy Empire of Karadeenos believe that delegates should not be chosen by a remote amount of people or by the amount of endorsements they receive but by the entire region as a whole.
Regions cannot become democracies if the nations inside it have no say in who is governing it. To become a true democracy at heart would mean equality for all, which means equal choices which means that nations deserve a right to choose who is governing them.
We also deserve the right to set up rules for our region that agree with what all nations hold highest in their favour. For example we at Karadeenos hold freedom in the highest favour so a law that we would put forward to the South Pacific would be to allow free speech; as being able to speak your mind as I am now is a significant part of being free, and a part that too many too often take for granted.
We cannot go on with our daily lives without freedom. It lives in everything we do. It lives in the way we walk, the way we talk; it even lives in the colour of our socks that we wear each day. The point is without it we would become mindless machines doing not what we think is right but what others want us to do and for a democratic region this is unacceptable.
If we are to remain free we must have a say in who is governing our region. It is the one and only way that the nations inside a region could remain at peace with their delegate and not start revolutions.
Another way to stop revolutions from people who don't get their way in the election of the delegate for their region would be to create a set amount of time that any one delegate could sit in the 'delegate seat'.
You could also create a board of ministers with the delegate as high seat of this board to govern the entire region so that all of the regions problems and quarrels do not fall upon one nation but an array of different nations to stop favouritism or bias from them delegate to contort the regions way of living.
It would save a lot of confusion down the track. People wouldn't have to rebel against their delegate to get a word in as they would have been part of the constituency that voted for the delegate in the first place. And those that didn't get the delegate that they wished for would be unhappy for a small period of time as the delegate would be changed after the set time of the ‘delegate seat' is over. Once it is over a new delegate would be chosen by the nations. This cycle shall then be repeated for as long as that region exists.

The Dominion of The Mailed Fist agrees with Holy Empire of Karadeenos.

Truly this idea would also stop those whose wish is to infultrate regions and then stage a coup.

The Dominion of The Mailed Fist thanks Holy Empire of Karadeenos for their forsight.
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I'm not sure I follow your complaint. How are endorsements undemocratic? I suppose you dislike that only UN members can endorse other UN members. Well, that's too bad -- UN Delegate is obviously a UN position, and so it doesn't really matter if the non-members don't vote for it. If you don't want your delegate to have regional control, just get a founder and have them turn it off. If you don't like your region or founder, you're just going to have to get enough endorsements for yourself or an ally, or perhaps you should consider finding another region.

Allowing non-members to endorse is a security risk, too -- people could pump up their chances at being a delegate AND unfairly increase their power in the UN by creating a few hundred puppets.

I don't see how this idea would stop region crashing, either; if anything, it would increase the risk, as the crashers could now call upon a free supply of puppet nations to endorse themselves with.

The UN is not a place to debate or propose alterations to game mechanics, either. You're perfectly free to practice pretty much anything you want within your region, so far as I know, but a UN proposal to alter the game to do so would most certainly be deleted before coming to a vote.

Why should non-UN members choose the UN Regional Delegate? That's like saying a Texan should vote for Florida's governor.

Why should non-UN members choose the UN Regional Delegate?

Because non-UN members still have to live by UN rules.

One word, puppets.

One word, puppets.

Yes they could be puppets, but if the entire region chose them how would the delegate have enough supporters to counter what every other nation in that region chose?

Because non-UN members still have to live by UN rules.

Actually, no, they don't. Check the documentation. If you have any UN countries, have you ever noticed that none of them ever get notices from the Ministry of Compliance?

Yes they could be puppets, but if the entire region chose them how would the delegate have enough supporters to counter what every other nation in that region chose?

I doubt I could disagree with you more strongly, there. Regardless, Max Barry decided that people could not have puppets in the NationStates United Nations, and having them vote for delegates (and with the bonus delagacy votes thereafter) would amount to the same thing. I don't believe that it's your place to correct him.

One word, puppets.

Yes they could be puppets, but if the entire region chose them how would the delegate have enough supporters to counter what every other nation in that region chose?

Many nations have 100+ puppets, and they could simply make more if they wanted to gain power. It's not hard at all.

Because non-UN members still have to live by UN rules

Actually, no, they don't. Check the documentation. If you have any UN countries, have you ever noticed that none of them ever get notices from the Ministry of Compliance?

Actually they do get notices. However rare they are.

Actually they do get notices. However rare they are.

Direct from the United Nations section of the FAQ: "Your nation can join the UN, but it's not compulsory. As a non-member, you are unaffected by any UN decisions. So if you're happy looking after your nation and don't want to dabble in international politics, don't join up."

In theory, letting all residents of a region, not just UN members, is a good idea... but it's simply not practical...

1) UN actions, and thus UN delegates, have no effect on non member nations, so it makes sense that they should have no say...

2) part of the restriction of one UN member nations per person is to keep people from flooding the poles by giving themselves more votes, thus, if any nation could elect the delegate, people could creat nations and move them into the region for the sole purpose of making their other nation into the delegate...

that poll is horribly vague...
to the point of being mostly meaningless and unconnected to your argument...

UN resolutions have nothing to do with non-UN members.

Delegates are already chosen by region... you can only get or give endorsements from those UN members in your region. Therefore, it is a democratic process. And delegates are not rulers of the country in anyway or form. Ok, maybe they have the power to eject (do they?) but that means nothing.

Thus your complaint is moot. And if someone makes 100+ puppets, do you really think they have time to maintain it... wait.... I take that back.. Some people have WAY too much time. However, you might notice that most people would notice this person having illegitimate delegate status and instantly notify the mods. As well, accounts get deleted in 28 days if they are not checked.