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The United Nations consistently exceeds its mandate. The resolution being voted on right now is illegal according to the UN charter, yet the UN will let it pass and be voted on. Enough of this crap. The UN deserves no confidence. Replace the UN with a new institution that will do its job properly. The UN is trying to act like a world government, something it is not, something it should not be, and something it was not ment to be. We should have no more of this...The Armed Republic of Caledan urges its fellow nations to Act and remove the UN from its position of power that it abuses and mishandles. It is time for a change

Erwin E. Rommel
Chief Of State
Armed Republic of Caledan

Can't be done.

:idea: I think that the U.N. prolly wont be replaced by anything or anyone any time soon.....so either go to the U.N. and say what you have to say or shut the fucc up! :!:

OOC: What would Mr. Barry say to that eh?

I agree with what your saying but its a little over the top for what the webmaster would have to do...
Don't you think?

The UN is flying on one wing, the Left wing. Get off now before you crash with it.

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Why not leave the UN and join the Confederacy of Benicius in the region of Clepsydra and progress this world instead of pandaring to left wing, moderate socialistic ideals who would still have us using gum leaves instead of toilet paper if they dictated policy. While our region is relatively new, in time states tired of UN incompetence could band together and become a true force to be reckoned with. If interested then please join our region...don't stick your heads in the sand and take an active role.

The UN is developed by its members, so if its members are slightly left wing so its politics will be, and if its right wing, the politics will be.

Ministry of Information
The People's Republic of Kiroshi

Can't be done. the un is as good as u put in mabey u should put in more to the un to make it beter, if u r not happy with it:P

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The United Nations is a democratic organization -- if it is a poor or domineering organization, that is because its members voted to make it so. If you feel that the UN does not fit the needs of your nation, it is simple enough to vote your own way or, if that does not satisfy you, to resign your membership.

To those who continually accuse the United Nations of exceeding its mandate: What mandate? The NationStates UN has no mandate. It is presumed that any proposal fitting into the categories provided is fair game for a vote. You may support or oppose any proposal or resolution on any grounds that you see fit; I oppose a great many proposals on the grounds that they violate the sovereignty of nations without cause.

I believe the NationStates UN is a joke. While the game is a promising concept the problem is that most of the participants originally join the Un in the hopes of becoming , by way of participation, more aware of and accustomed to mechanics of International affairs in an entertaining and fun fashon yet the NS UN is NOT modeled upon the actual UN so in fact the participants learn nothing and in fact become frustrated in the process of learning that the NS UN is nothing more than a platform for socialist utopians to play with in the creation of the "perfect world".

I really wish some one would develop a similar game that was in fact based upon the real UN. That way we would all have to learn a little diplomacy and practicality regarding International Affairs and the "Community of Nations".

The United Nations is a democratic organization -- if it is a poor or domineering organization, that is because its members voted to make it so. If you feel that the UN does not fit the needs of your nation, it is simple enough to vote your own way or, if that does not satisfy you, to resign your membership.

This is absolutely true. The NS UN IS a "democratic" organization. I want every one to remember this, yet keep in mind that it is an "absolute democracy" in which there are no checks and balances and that maintains no requirement of participation thus enabling the very fear of the founders of the United States that being the "tyrrany of the active minority". "Absolute Democracy" IS NOT to be desired in a Free society for absolute democracy has no safeguards for those personal freedoms that all free people charish. The "Will of the Majority" is the only thing sacred in an Absolute Democracy thus the rights of the individual are subservient to the whims of the "Mob" at any given, and all, time(s).

the NS UN is NOT modeled upon the actual UN

I think we'd be surprised how like the real UN it is.


I really wish some one would develop a similar game that was in fact based upon the real UN. That way we would all have to learn a little diplomacy and practicality regarding International Affairs and the "Community of Nations".

This is based on the real UN. We have major powers that exercise vetoes and make unilateral decisions. How different is that from the real UN ? :)

Delegates also have the unique ability to approve proposals, deciding which of them will become resolutions to be voted on by the entire UN, and which are silently dispatched into the night never to be heard from again. A proposal needs 6% of all Delegates to approve it to become a resolution.

Notice that if only six percent of delegates approve a propositon, it's forced into other countries. This is an invasion on souvergnity of nations not willing to accept this proposal, but still hoping to benefit from belonging to the organization.

Forgive me if I got wrong the way that the organization works, and I would be grateful if I could be explained the proper way if I did make a mistake.

Delegates also have the unique ability to approve proposals, deciding which of them will become resolutions to be voted on by the entire UN, and which are silently dispatched into the night never to be heard from again. A proposal needs 6% of all Delegates to approve it to become a resolution.

Notice that if only six percent of delegates approve a propositon, it's forced into other countries. This is an invasion on souvergnity of nations not willing to accept this proposal, but still hoping to benefit from belonging to the organization.
Almost, but not quite.

The "proposal queue" consists of several pages (usually 15-20) of proposals. "The UN should do this", "the UN should not do that" and so on. If 6% of the Regional Delegates approve one of these proposals, then it will be voted on by the entire UN membership. Only if more members vote For than Against at this point, does the resolution pass.
The "6% approvals" only serves as a means of "putting an item on the agenda".

And thank you for that.

Couple of points:

1.

Notice that if only six percent of delegates approve a propositon, it's forced into other countries.

Well, when you take into account how many of the (what?) 3,000 (ish) Delegates vote on Proposals, then I expect it is more like 25% of (voting-active) Delegates, maybe more, that are needed to vote to make it pass. And even then, like Enodia said, if you don't like it, you have a week to vote against it.

2.
What are people's problems with the UN??? Sure, some stupid Resolutions get passed some times, but around 99% of them fail before they go to the main members vote. And if you don't like the Resolution, you have yourself and the other members to blame, not the UN itself. The UN has the power to raise or lower civil liberties and political freedoms by a tiny amount - recoverable by about 2 days of issues - and that's it. The UN has no more power. It can say through it's decrees - or more rather, a Member can say - what countries should do and be like, but it can't enforce this much. And outside of the Resolutions, look at everything the UN in RL can do....If you want to invade a country, the UN here is powerless. Unless a country says "No", noone will stop you. And even then, that's a country enforcing it's will upon you. That doesn't even go through the UN. If you introduce slavery, cruel torture and executions, what can the UN itself do? Absolutely nothing. If you want to nuke every living thing on the planet, then it is up to individuals to stop you, because the UN literally CAN'T. You can do absolutely anything in your country, and the UN has no way of stopping you. It can't even send inspectors to your country to see whether you stick to it's laws or not, so why people complain that the UN is bossing them around I don't know.....Let's face it. Before the UN really does get too authoritarian, it's going to have to be granted a lot more power here.

Couple of points:

1.

Notice that if only six percent of delegates approve a propositon, it's forced into other countries.

Well, when you take into account how many of the (what?) 3,000 (ish) Delegates vote on Proposals, then I expect it is more like 25% of Delegates, maybe more, that are needed to vote to make it pass. And even then, like Enodia said, if you don't like it, you have a week to vote against it.

2.
What are people's problems with the UN??? Sure, some stupid Resolutions get passed some times, but around 99% of them fail before they go to the main members vote. And if you don't like the Resolution, you have yourself and the other members to blame, not the UN itself. The UN has the power to raise or lower civil liberties and political freedoms by a tiny amount - recoverable by about 2 days of issues - and that's it. The UN has no more power. It can say through it's decrees - or more rather, a Member can say - what countries should do and be like, but it can't enforce this much. And outside of the Resolutions, look at everything the UN in RL can do....If you want to invade a country, the UN here is powerless. Unless a country says "No", noone will stop you. And even then, that's a country enforcing it's will upon you. That doesn't even go through the UN. If you introduce slavery, cruel torture and executions, what can the UN itself do? Absolutely nothing. If you want to nuke every living thing on the planet, then it is up to individuals to stop you, because the UN literally CAN'T. You can do absolutely anything in your country, and the UN has no way of stopping you. It can't even send inspectors to your country to see whether you stick to it's laws or not, so why people complain that the UN is bossing them around I don't know.....Let's face it. Before the UN really does get too authoritarian, it's going to have to be granted a lot more power here. I agree

Oh, and by the way, just OOI, I would like to hear plans for a replacement organisation. I am interested in how it could be structured in such a way as to prevent atrocities and potential disasters, yet take away no power and ability from national Leaders...

Edit: double post.

Oh, and thanks 154120