NationStates Jolt Archive

Time to fight back.

A resolution would require the following criteria:

* Repeal of the points set forth by the currently in proposal UN Resolution
* Bringing forth the joys of Capitalism and Consumerism to our blighted and stupid brother Nations, the Communist and Socialist states.
* To have benefit beyond merely repealing the stunted resolutions and promoting Capitalism. It would need to emphasise the benefits of Capitalism - such as promoting Health and Pharamacutical industries for the betterment of the nations inhabitants.

So bring forth your ideas for points! Some aid in the writing of the proposal would be greatly appreciated.

Step up, my Capitalist/Consumerist Co-Workers: time to bat.

Your ad hominems do little to serve your cause - I, as Proxy for Education in the Socialist Commonwealth of Anhierarch can state with reasonable certainty that our population boasts a greater proportion of educated, intelligent persons and a lesser proportion of uneducated, unintelligent persons when compared to the vast majority of consumerist states.

And we have not the least desire of the so-called joys of Capitalism. For a hundred years we have evolved beyond Capitalism, and we are most glad of it. The unmarked graves of brave revolutionaries, indeed the charred ruins of once proud cities stand as a silent testament to a period in Anhierarch's history we bitterly remember, and vow never to forget.

~Proxy Pelana, for the Commonwealth Synod

can state with reasonable certainty that our population boasts a greater proportion of educated, intelligent persons and a lesser proportion of uneducated, unintelligent persons when compared to the vast majority of consumerist states.

So you claim. However, it is proven that technological and scientific development is far greater in Consumerist/Capitalist nations.

And we have not the least desire of the so-called joys of Capitalism

Nor does MY nation wish for the so-claimed benefits of Communism/Socialism. But if I am going to have Communism forced on me, then guess what I shall attempt to force on Communism?

For a hundred years we have evolved beyond Capitalism, and we are most glad of it.

The last time Carmarthen was anything resembling a Communist/Socialist nation was during the last Ice Age, when proto-people clubbed each other for warmth and entertainment.

You do not wish Capitalism thrust upon your nation, I do not wish Communism thrust upon mine - but it appears to be happening anyhow. You vote against the UN resolution on Unions and help defeat it and I may be more inclined to sit back and let each nation take its own course.

Good piece of advice would be to avoid any mention of "repealing" any kind of resolution. You know what the policy on that is, and if you don't then I suggest you read the information which is readily available.

Actually I wasn't aware of it, I had assumed, OOCly, that like all politics things can be repealed or stricken from the books by a new vote.

I'll go have a read into what insanity lies in place instead of being able to undo that which has been done...

It's just a simple game mechanics issue. The way the game runs right now, you can pass resolutions, but you can't "un-pass" (or repeal) them.

If you mean this...

2. Game Mechanics Proposal
We've been down this street previously. Thankfully, they're becoming slightly less prevalent at the moment. It is important to notice, however, that proposals to repeal other resolutions are Game Mechanics Changes. This is because you are effectively asking for the statistics of your nation to be re-set to what they were before the proposal was passed - given that statistics are a part of the Game Mechanics, that's what you want changed. Also, proposals about the UN not being allowed to infringe on "national sovereignty" are Game Mechanics things as well - clearly the UN can infringe on whatever it wants because the option to make such proposals exists.


I would challenge that repealing a resolution or law is NOT game mechanics. It is a valid way of counteracting something stupid that got through. Real world politics changes things all the time, repealing or appending laws. This is not a "I want X to be undone" kind of thing I'm proposing here, but rather along the lines of "That unions be once again subject to the laws and strictures of the nation in which it is, that it may be limited to nation or industry as deemed fit blah etc.". Note that isn't something I'm proposing at the moment, just a comment of a potential "repeal" or change to the resolution that is likely to be put through.

I notice this:
Tisonica - currently there's still no way to repeal legislation. Again, there are discussions going on about the manner in which this feature could be integrated and about how it would be coded into the game. I wouldn't be holding my breath, though. A major change like this would be more likely to turn up in NS2 rather than here.

Which again is more a "I want X undone". I'm talking about the resolution basically coming into place that has the opposite meaning and effect to what the Union proposal would seem to have. By repeal I mean in intent and effect, not in actuality of the matter, given it's "not a feature".

Here's a question...how does the Labor Union resloution impose socialism? We checked it several times, but nowhere does it transfer ownership of the means of production and distribution to the state, the community, or the workers themselves. It doesn't even create a welfare state.
AFoFS UN Council

Here's a question...how does the Labor Union resloution impose socialism? We checked it several times, but nowhere does it transfer ownership of the means of production and distribution to the state, the community, or the workers themselves. It doesn't even create a welfare state.
AFoFS UN Council

By granting special privileges to one group at the expense of the individual rights of another group.

Actually it is easily arguable that a union DOES confer production and distribution to the workers, especially under the current proposal in discussion.

Workers don't get what they want. Workers strike. No production or distribution occurs until Workers go back to work. Hence Workers control production and distribution. And in a very immediate sense control the company.

Just one reason why I voted NO on the proposal.

Here's a question...how does the Labor Union resloution impose socialism? We checked it several times, but nowhere does it transfer ownership of the means of production and distribution to the state, the community, or the workers themselves. It doesn't even create a welfare state.
AFoFS UN Council

Labor unions don't promote communism, it's your brand of labor union that will impose this brand of ideology Dr. Mindbender. :lol:

Feloow anti-Unionists..dont worry..hope is alive and possibly on the horizion. My aide-de-camp has an intern who, bless her little patriotic soul, informed me of a very interesting flaw in the current proposal especially if passed.

I of course voted No and will love to have the chance to point out the flaw if the proposal comes to life as a Resoultion.


Heh hehe heh...
grins evilly towards the Pro-Union Camp

-Chairman J. Manning
Republic of Necrotasia

Which flaw is that? The one with the lack of definition of labour action? Personally I'm defining that as "joining a union" :twisted:

Flaw or no flaw, your economies are all going in the toilet when this resolution passes, if you're UN members.

A counter proposal would have to be filed under "free trade" and could include a clause like this:

"The right of employers to hire, not hire, or fire employees at their will shall not be infringed"

and

"workers shall not be allowed to obstruct the process of production, except by their absence"

We have similar, though markedly improved labor practices in Anhierarch, and we certainly don't see our economy in the toilet.

How is a strong economy 'in the toilet"?

Besides, if passed it wont be enacted or enforced in my nation. It cant.

Again...a flaw few know about or even thought of.

-Chairman J.Manning
Republic of Necrotasia