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To all delagates:

Teh resolution mandatory guns wil help solve world security, and will help many nations economies. Plesae support the resolution on page 12 of the proposal list. I am wil ing to work with any delagate who wnats to negotaite anything,I need this to pass thanks.

George the monkey

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Uh... "No way." blue Islands? Anyhow...

I am against this resolution. If we make the carrying of guns mandatory, we then give those psychotics out there the perfect means to commit their crimes. Aren't we trying to stop school shootings from happening? Aren't we trying to stop psychotic serial killers from running around gunning people down? This would seem to encourage this sort of behaviour.

I understand what you mean about security and all, but it would in the long term(and even in the short term) make the world a much more dangerous place for all concerned.

Rad Kom
UN Ambassador
The Fiefdom of Baron Porkonia

The nation of Eponya is inclined to agree with the Fiefdom of Baron Porkonia. It is neither safe nor logical to allow every citizen to carry a weapon that has the potential to kill. If such a nation that is considering this is worried about the protection if it's citizens, perhaps it should look into security by trained professionals.

The free nation of Cratership strongly agrees with Eponya and Porkonia's statements, and would like to add that the only safe weapon that a nation should require all its citizens to have is a rock. A small one.

Hobbes23 would be willing to back such a bill, but only if it were refined into something a little more reasonable. Some people dont like guns. I however believe that police arent needed in such numbers if the common man was armed.

perhaps simply alter the resolution ALLOWING each individual to have a weapon would be more logical, although I still could not support this either. My own citizens may be allowed such luxuries but I am not certain it is for everyone.

The Empire of Morgain agrees with the sentiment, but has two objections:
1. The bill won't pass.
2. *mandating* people go armed is against our principles.

I am working on writing a proposal that may just have a snowball's chance in hell of passing, feel free to send me a telegram to coordinate efforts.

-Morgan

Only way I would support mandatory weapons would be ammunition would be banned and individuals having such would recive capital punishment. This way everyone would be happy and the only way to kill someone with a gun would have to bludgeon someone to death with one.

I can't find any resolutions proposed by George the Monkey.

Sheesh, did anyone even look at the proposal? It's not about personal weapons at all, it's about mandatory military budgets.

(And that, bucks and does, is why you should reproduce your resolution when you post about it. Why should a thousand people take their time to look it up when one person is too lazy to cut and paste it?)

thats a negative, ghostrider.

hmmm.... mandatory military budgets eh? Well, that might, stressing the might, be something I would favour. I'll take a look at it when I get some more time. Calculus calls. *shudder*

Guns eh? Well, first there needs to be clarification. Granted the civilian populace percieve 'guns' as 9mm handguns, etc, but any real militaristic nation or nation that has a strong military will tell you, what you mean is 'firearms' because guns usually come in calibers of 40mm to 208mm and even higher. These are the gernade lauchers, howitzers and battleship 'main guns'.

Then again, my civilians running around in their SUVs with quad .50s atop them would be interesting...

The Repbulic of Necrotasia needs time to research the possible outcome of this and get back to you all on it.

-Chairman J.Manning
Republic of Necrotasia

We humbly submit to Chairman J.Manning :
http://www.saracen.org/

Realistically, few people can afford such weapons anyway so its rather moot. In the United States before 1986 anyone could purchase a newly manufactured fully automatic firearm, provided they pay a $300 tax stamp, pass a rather in depth back-ground check, receive permission of the local authorities, and further that the possession of such was legal in their state of residence. After 1986, the manufacture of new fully automatic firearms was prohibited unless they were manufactured for military or police use. The prices have increased significantly since then, but before 1986 its not like there were all sorts of people buying these things anyway.

The Emperor of Morgain does not see much use for such tools, unless they are collectively owned by a citizen militia, however, the Emperor sees little use for Hummers, but prohibits neither. We operate on the principle of punishing criminals, to borrow Seneca's quote:

"Quemadmoeum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est."
("A sword is never a killer, it's a tool in the killer's hands.")
--Lucius Annaeus Seneca "the Younger" (ca. 4 BC-65 AD)

-Morgan, Emperor of Morgain

Emperor Morgan,

I was simply pointing out to the gentleman from George the monkey the wording of his proposed proposal. Just didnt feel the need for hours and hours of debate like the current Proposal has made.

I acknoweldge your ideas concering the ideas of this issue and respect your ideals for your country. Personally, Necrotasia does not have a huge military but one that also provides for disaster relief, etc (we have those annoying Typhoons you know.)

As for the point of purchasing of firearms in the United States, might i use Switzerladn as an example? If I remember right, their society is either :
a. in the military or
b. in the military reserves (ie storing weapons etc..)
Their crome rate is far lower than other countries. As for the US, they are still debating whether or not more guns in civilian hands is better or worse.

As for my opinion on this proposed proposal, I still have to make my mind up if it ever becomes ratified into a legit Proposal. It has faults that should be ironed out like you pointed out in an earlier post. As for World Security...security from what? If the answer is terrorism then I believe the spokesperson from George the monkey should check the listed proposals already waiting for approval to be floored. I counted at least two that call for some sort of augmentation to the current UN Security Force/Peacekeepers.

-Chairman J.Manning
Republic of Necrotasia

Greetings.

This so called proposal is a waste of time.

It is completely unconnected to the purpose of the U.N. , which was designed to be a progressive group that contained members who could represented their nation on the world stage, and to foster communication between member nations, so as to allow for peace and properity for all involved.

And, you, mister proposal proposer, want it to decree that everyone must carry a gun. You twit. I am not even going to go into why this is a stupid idea.

Plain old common sense can tell us that.

Good day sir/madam, and next time please refrain from submitting your idea to clog the administative bowels of the glorious U.N.

Thanking you all for your time, A Rep of Komokom.

The Holy Empire of Ustasha proposes and amendment to this resolution. The following people will not be required to carry guns:

-Serial Killers
-Drug Addicts/Dealers
-Children under the age of 1
-Damn, dirty hippies
-People with Schizophrenia
-People with Tourette's Syndrome
-People with Down's Syndrome
-People who are too freaking stupid to operate a gun
-Alchoholics
-Postal Workers
-Terrorists
-Gary Coleman
-Ze Germans
-Mass Murderers (Except for His Excellency Emperor Jim, and besides, all of those bastards deserved it)

There, that's like 95% of the world population. 8)

The Holy Empire of Ustasha is currently passing Legislation in the Imperial Senate that will enforce mandatory gun ownership for all Imperial citizens. We expect that our massive overpopulation problem will be solved virtually overnight. :wink:

We believe strongly that people should exercise their right to keep and bear arms.

We don't believe it should be mandatory.

Revise the proposal and then my nation would be happy.

The Holy Republic of B33F does not permit any weapons whatsoever to be carried in self defence. no weapons are allowed to be carried full stop. anyone caught with a weapon will be arrested. Fortunately this republic is well enforced by a well funded police force and crime is virtually unknown. guns are only permitted for our national defence, that is in the army. people moving to this nation are made aware of the rules and must abide by them. peace is top priority in The Holy Republic of B33F.

If the UN decides otherwise, our nation may have to leave.

The Republic of Essexshire was founded on the principles of personal freedom. Our constitution recognizes inherent human rights. Essexshire cannot grant these rights, as they are inalienable, and can only recognize them. The right of the individual to keep and bear arms is clearly defined and recognized.

The only form of gun control that we have adopted is a simple ID card for those that wish to carry a concealed weapon. The ID card is granted free of charge to anyone without a criminal record, outstanding warrant, or active restraining order. The ID card is good for life and is only revoked if the cardholder commits a crime. Citizens must present this card to purchase a handgun. Once a year, or when a citizen purchases a handgun (whichever occurs more often), a instant computerized check is made to confirm that the ID card has not been revoked.

Statistics have proved that citizens who hold such cards are one hundred times less likely to commit any crime, and five hundred times less likely to commit a crime with a firearm (compared to the rest of the population).

At this time, Essexshire requires each citizen to join the military at age 18, unless specifically prohibited by their religion. Therefore, most citizens are intimately familiar with firearms. However, we believe that mandating that each citizen own a firearm is a violation of civil rights. It is up to each citizen to decide how they will defend themselves, or if they're gutless idiots, not at all.