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Firstly I would like to point out that humans can still eat without killing living things. Fruits are dead when off the tree, corn and wheat die before they are harvested, and milk and eggs are also not alive.
Secondly, harmful diseases and bacteria are NOT protected by the resolution, it specifically states, unless harmful.
people, please read more carefully and think more before immediatly assuming it means death for us all, and especially do not send a UN delegate a telegram saying it will kill us when it will not.

Think before you speak, speak before you act, act before you react.
but first and foremost, humans have brains, use them, think.

A well-done post.

We will simply make a counterproposal.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
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They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

Firstly I would like to point out that humans can still eat without killing living things. Fruits are dead when off the tree, corn and wheat die before they are harvested, and milk and eggs are also not alive.
Secondly, harmful diseases and bacteria are NOT protected by the resolution, it specifically states, unless harmful.
people, please read more carefully and think more before immediatly assuming it means death for us all, and especially do not send a UN delegate a telegram saying it will kill us when it will not.

Think before you speak, speak before you act, act before you react.
but first and foremost, humans have brains, use them, think.

no fruits are still alive, and carry within them a seed which will bear life, however if we eat it it will not have an equal oportunity to grow and produce more life thereby violationg its right to life.
the corn stalks and wheat stalks die, yes but the edible part, the seed or grain is alive, and if we eat it it cannot grow into a new stalk of wheat or stalk of corn
Milk contains cells, those individual cells are alive, Eggs are Ovum and are also alive, however under this resolution, all eggs will have to be fertilized and allowed to hatch,

harmful diseases and bacteria are NOT protected by the resolution, it specifically states, unless harmful

wrong, the bill does not exclude them from protection and therefore they must be protected by it as it states

-All living beings no matter who or what they may be, have the inherent right of existence.

That they may live as they see fit as long as they do not cause harm to another. In simpler terms "Live and let live." If a nation employs slaves for labor for example, we submit that they must end the practice or leave the UN voluntarily.

That the aparthied inspired classification of sexual preference be erradicated from being used within the confines of government terminology.

We propose that all nations under the UN charter respect the very essence of life and vow to preserve and protect it, in all its many forms whether human, or otherwise.



or otherwise is a broad and all encompasing thing, therefore all forms of life are protected by this, your ost is nice however it is inherently flawed and ot as well thought out as it appears on teh surface, remember politics is the art of red tape at its pinnical.

Secondly, harmful diseases and bacteria are NOT protected by the resolution, it specifically states, unless harmful.

Yyyou humans continue to ASTOUND me with your iiiiignnoorrranannncceee....
Humans are INHERITLY HARMFUL to all things around them. They cause pollution which kills plants prematurely, and they use antibiotics which kill bacteria....
You humansss aggain fall back on the "unless harmful" part of the proposal....Howeverrr, what you do NOT SEE is that humans are "harmmfulll" when they retaliate against BACTERIUM, when they KILL FOR MEAT, when they build FACCTORRIESSS to produce their petty goods.

you would dare kill the poor little seeds in the plants! Barbarians! How can you justify forcing people to eat a certain way?

i would become very harmful to anyone who told me i couldnt eat as i saw fit... humans are omnivores, get over it...

i will not force any eating style on my people, if the UN has a prob with that then they will just have to freakin deal with it. I will ignore this resolution in my nation, the UN cannot stop me from doing so either

This resolution ignores the developments of previous resolutions. Previous resolutions have already dealt with the issues in a clearer and more detailed fashion. Furthermore, it violates early resolutions. We must defeat this resolution in order to clarify the relivance of the UN and it's member states. If we are to ignore previous resolutions than there is no meaning other than collecting "bonus points."

Even if all eating is not forbidden, this resolution still limits us to a less-than-healthy diet.

indeed i know several vegans, they are very thin and not very strong.

I know many vegans as well... and all of them are healthy and strong. That's not an argument... if anything non-meat diets are probably better for you [even though I'm an avid meat eater myself... addicted almost.]

But that's besides the point. United Middle-Earth has excellent intentions with this proposal. He really talks about other sentient life forms such as elves, dwarfs and aliens. This wording however is not clear. He accidentally made the resolution so ambigious as to be applicable to all things living.

Oh and bug ambassador from Assimilated Humanity, you seem to be proving our point (if indeed you are for this resolution.., if you are for us... well... :oops: ). If humans are inherently harmful, that means that all humans within the UN must instantly die as soon as this resolution passes.

Rad Kom
UN Ambassador
The Fiefdom of Baron Porkonia

very well put, and i am not saying all vagans are thin and not strong, just the few i know. i like meat and think my people should get to have it as well

Though I'm aware this thread is not to discuss veganism, if a vegan is too thin and weak, they are not educating themselves in proper eating habits for such an eating style. It is quite possible to be completely healthy while restricting animal products if done correctly.

prob is, but not an eating style i would want to adapt

Actually, a human needs the proteins found in meat to properly build their bodies.

Moerover, you may be able to live without doing such, but you are cheating your body.

Also, animals eat animals. It is a natural process of life. We eat one another to survive.

i cant believe people are supporting forced veganism, i mean it is alright to do that on one's own time, but forcing people isnt right.

NationStates manages to replicate the real world more and more. The more rational an arguement is the more it is bound to be ignored.

lol. Maybe people just get lazy and ignore the long posts?

Wow... we digres like mad... veganism.

Actually, you don't NEED animal protein, after all, think about cows. They eat nothing but grass and yet have SO much more muscle than humans. Plants can give you the necessary protein that you require. Beans for instance. The Magical Fruit!!!!.... :oops: showing my age.

United Middle-Earth has excellent intentions with this proposal.
Rad Kom
UN Ambassador
The Fiefdom of Baron Porkonia

the Road to Hell is a 8 lane Interstate Highway paved with Good Intentions,

need we add a entirely new lane with this proposal??

lol. Maybe people just get lazy and ignore the long posts?

Wow... we digres like mad... veganism.

Actually, you don't NEED animal protein, after all, think about cows. They eat nothing but grass and yet have SO much more muscle than humans. Plants can give you the necessary protein that you require. Beans for instance. The Magical Fruit!!!!.... :oops: showing my age.

Devil's advocate here..sorry ...but....

tigers eat meat and have more muscle mass than humans. Sharks eat 100% meat, and dont get cancer.

your point?

Alright, here is a real life case of how your body needs meat.

This family had a little boy, and the parents refused to give it meat because they said it would be impure for the child's soul (or something strange like that), and neglected to find the child any meat, feeding him only vegetables and fruits.

Anyway, to make a long story short, by the age five the child could not stand, nor barely crawl, for an underdeveloped body. The child could not speak and was really a terrible sight to see, skin and barely any bones.

Now, could the body live without meats? Could the body live only off of vegetables and fruits? I should think not, unless you want to be like that child.

Alright, here is a real life case of how your body needs meat.

This family had a little boy, and the parents refused to give it meat because they said it would be impure for the child's soul (or something strange like that), and neglected to find the child any meat, feeding him only vegetables and fruits.

Anyway, to make a long story short, by the age five the child could not stand, nor barely crawl, for an underdeveloped body. The child could not speak and was really a terrible sight to see, skin and barely any bones.

Now, could the body live without meats? Could the body live only off of vegetables and fruits? I should think not, unless you want to be like that child.

he was also forbidden breast mile all his parents fed him was some sort of soy peanutbutter wheat germ concoction, the state of New York seized him from his parents and improsioned them for child abuse.

if this is the same child Im thinking of

Well depends you see. Muslims are vegetarians, and I actually know a lot of fat ones.

I do not know what case you are stating, neither am I deriding it, but are you sure your not just taking an exceptional case and then using it as a prime example?

This is about the first posts I read. You must kill to live, whatever it may seem. To truely never kill, is to die. That is nature, kill to live, kill because you must. As peace is a want, war and death is a have. You cannot achieve one without thee other.

You cannot attain peace without war.

You cannot attain death without life.

You cannot attain life without death.

To achieve the positive, there must be a negative.
This is why, even though as UN Member, am sadden by the ignorance of most. United we stand. Peace. These are meaningless without war. Peace cannot exist without war, nor can war exist without peace. To truely live in happiness, you must coop with both.

I disagree with what you've written. It is not my place to go against, but to disagree.

-Dictator Kaltios.

lol. Maybe people just get lazy and ignore the long posts?

Wow... we digres like mad... veganism.

Actually, you don't NEED animal protein, after all, think about cows. They eat nothing but grass and yet have SO much more muscle than humans. Plants can give you the necessary protein that you require. Beans for instance. The Magical Fruit!!!!.... :oops: showing my age.

Devil's advocate here..sorry ...but....

tigers eat meat and have more muscle mass than humans. Sharks eat 100% meat, and dont get cancer.

your point?

Tru dat. But my point is simply that you don't HAVE to eat meat to survive or to get all the necessary protein. Meat is simply a quick way of getting already built... er... scrambling for biological term... those... amino acid things? Or is that even simpler than protein. I don't know, but anyway, plants give you the necessary protein if the diet is properly balanced.

Well depends you see. Muslims are vegetarians, and I actually know a lot of fat ones.

I do not know what case you are stating, neither am I deriding it, but are you sure your not just taking an exceptional case and then using it as a prime example?

Actually, lots of Muslims eat meat (even the Prophet Muhammad did, AFAIK). Pork and other products from pigs (and some other animals) are strictly forbidden though.

This is the UN WAY over steppping it's bounds... ::In Character:: If this is to pass, than the UN could stop my people from enjoying a national delicasy. This must not pass, and if it does pass, The Holy Black Empire of The All Blacks will not ratify it. I will not let a bunch of utopian do-gooders tell me or my people what they can and can not eat. Furthermore, this also has implications on Capital Punishment. If you or your country hold this act dear, than you definately should vote against this resolution

:twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:

The UN and the Hippies running it are really starting to piss me off.


Dredd

Oh and bug ambassador from Assimilated Humanity,

I am nottt a bugg, INSECT....My analysis of historical data suggested a 97.34 PERCENT PR-PR-PROBABILITY you were aware of my exissstence.....

I AM SHODAN (http://www.sshock2.com/datanode/story.htm)

(if indeed you are for this resolution.., if you are for us... well...

Insect, I am on YOUR SIDE.....

nhgh

nhgh

In a new study conducted at Carpage, nine out of ten female amputees between the ages of 31 and 33 thinks this resolution could be worded better. Ten out of ten think it's totally intrusive and all ten, plus everyone at the research center thinks it's a good reason to leave the UN.

why is it that only the most knee jerk, immature and crazy wild eyed left wing propoganda gets through committee and is voted on by the general assembly
if you want to eat berries only after they have fallen off the bush than be my guest but would you please stop intruding on nations sovreignty like a bull in a china shop.
anyway as Mr. Homer Jay Simpson would say...
Mmmmmmm.......Burger............

What are you people arguing about, you have taken this issue and spun it so many ways that you are arguing your own creations. I state symbiosis, the life cycle which includes death, and more importantly the word being, an amoeba is not a being contrary to the belief of those riding the chariots screaming death and destruction! This has nothing to do with vegans and eating habits, it says quite clearly LIVE AND LET LIVE. Those who have said that we can't protect ourselves from diseases and such are you serious...listen to yourselves. You argue the points of this proposal stating that if this were the real UN, it would never have been worded in such a way. It isn't if this were the UN the proposal would have consisted of taking the floor and addressing everyone with the proposal, and the resolution when signed has an attached agreement/decree of the understood provisions and interpretations of such. This can not be done here, that is why when the proposal was first submitted, there were a couple of forum pages devoted to the topic, which explained and answered anyones questions. There were few because the delegates were asked personally by me, to visit those pages before voting on the topic...that is why it was passed because people did their homework. The UN members had the responsibility, and obligation to do the same, but some nations, instead of getting their "homework" done...or maybe for whatever hidden agenda decided to create mass-hysteria, and scream the "end of the world". Do your research seek out the agreed understanding of this proposal without falling victim to this nonesense of hysterics. Search the chat strings for my nations' name if you have to, but be informed!!!!

Emperor Dalith

Please join me in this chat portal on real discussion, truth, and perhaps enlightenment for all (including myself) on this proposal Equality For All.

Monday November 17th, 2003...7pm EST (12am GMT)

http://pub42.bravenet.com/chat/show.php/3557937850

I would like to point out that if done properly, the fruititarian diet can work very well. I am fruititarian, and I am niether thin, nor malnurished. I would also like to point out that this resolution does NOT promote the vegan diet, it promotes fruititarian. vegans eat plants that are killed for food, they do not however eat anything that comes from any animal source. fruititarians do not kill anything for their food, but they do eat cheese, milk, and unfertilized eggs.

On behalf of the European region, I want to request that all nations vote against the resolution, "Equality for All" that is presnetly before the U.N. While Europe would share the general concerns of the resolution in promoting equality, we are particularly concerned with the final portion of the proposal which would grant the right of equality to all forms of life, whether they are human or not. This element would go to far in taking most U.N. states in a direction they do not want to head. This resolution could not only be interpreted as mandating vegetarianism, a resolution controversial enough on its own, but it could mandate vast devestation to the food chain as nations would have to stop predatory behavior among animals and our consumption of vegetables (a non-human life form,) would likewise be called into question. We urge a no vote on this resolution.

because the resolution Equality for all met with such resistance, I have written up another that I believe would suffice to serve the purpose it was intending, without the harsh backlash of forcing everyone into a strict eating style. seeing as I lack the endorsements necessary to propse it I will post it here so that someone else could possibly propose it.

Equality among the human race

In light of recent events around the world we have seen that not all people are treated equally by their governments. Their are discriminatory efforts by almost every government towards many groups of people. Seeing this has brought My country and I to great sadness. In hopes that this will end I propose that this resolution be passed.

All humans are equal.
All humans have an equal right to life.

No country shall pass a law that breaks the equality of humans.
No country shall allow within its borders any discrimination on the basis of race, gender, sexual orientation, religion, social status, political beliefs, or clothing style (given that the person is wearing enough clothing to suit the country's laws on nudity)
No country shall pass a law that allows the favoring of any single group of humans over another.

Thank You, and I hope that the rest of the world will see the good in this.

I would also like to point out after reading arguments against the Equality for all resolution I have changed my stance, it is not for the UN to decide whether or not the world can eat meat.

My apologies Assimilated Humanity. After scanning the boards, I realized that you were on our side. Humblest aplogies, here, take these humans here as a token of my good will.

This proposal is a terrible idea and I will be glad when it dies.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "You say 'heavy deposit
of fat on the thighs and butt' as
though it were a bad thing."

I know. At the risk of flaming, may I just say that you must be quite stupid to vote yourself into starvation.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "You say 'heavy deposit
of fat on the thighs and butt' as
though it were a bad thing."

I'm surprised at your sudden awareness of being Politically Correct...when I explained this proposal to you long ago on a forum, you TG'd your answer to me saying that you didn't even care and that your sole purpose was to cause this mass hysteria. Well, for all of you that seem to think this person has anything but honorable intentions, my question to Letila was how can a carrot, steak, cancer cell, or even an amoebas beings? as Letila once informed people. This proposal is strictly euqalizing the Nation States playing field for all those nations that have a population other than human. Examples are elves, hobbits, orcs, aliens, and I have even seen werewolves and vampires. these nation are not evil, but they exist here in this fantasy world we have created called Nation States.