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well its time to see what our "world" is made of. this post goes to al the Dictators out there that need to be heard. post reasons why or why not we should have more dictators in our "world" :tantrum:

Dictators are all about oppression. They should be opposed whenever possible. How can anyone still support dictators. They have consistantly failed us. I suggest you go with what works: democracy.

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the only case of semi-working dictatorship was the Roman Empire, and it wasnt a harsh dictatorship as all dictatorships in todays world are

Unfair despots sending out annoying messages saying laws are being enacted to get you into compliance -- regardles of how you vote.

Unfair despots sending out annoying messages saying laws are being enacted to get you into compliance -- regardles of how you vote.

Unfair despots sending out annoying messages saying laws are being enacted to get you into compliance -- regardles of how you vote.

Dictators are just vain people-manipulators who manage to acquire a high status from which they can opress other people and feed their ego. It is important, in our opinion, not to allow wannabe-dictators to even come close to the government of a nation.

Then again, that may just be us lefties. :)

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Racism-the other stupid ideology
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They say, "Just say no to EFA. Even plants will be off-limits."

Indeed, though my own computer and connection are being a bit slow too.

Dictators can dictate in the privacy of their own home. What happens inside is nobody's business.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

look at me, i have no crime, a good economy. peace. but im a facist dictator of the country DOOMEDSOULS join my region DEATHANIA.

p.s. yes, it is my business.

The reason we need dictators here in the UN is to offset the flood of feel-good, horrible-in-practice resolutions we have been having.

I consider myself centrist, and even I have to agree judging by the stupid resolution going through UN lately that there's simply just too much mindless hippies in the UN right now.

I have said it before, and I will say it again.
Democracy does not work.
In a true democracy, there would be nothing more than anarchy. You cannot have everyone deciding what to do, because no decision will ever be supported 100%. You can vote, and get the majority support, but that is not represnting the views of the whole.
A "good" dictatorships is the best. One person deciding what is best for the people. True, I cannot give a RL example of a "good" dictatorship, one that actually does what's best for it's people (except perhaps the Romans, but due to the possible inaccuracies of historical texts I can't know for certain what happened back then), but then there are no RL examples of working democracies, or even communists (Stalin=Fascist).
So what if dictators remove opposition to their rule? If they are "good" dictators, then they know what's best. That's why I founded The (now dead) Global Dominion Of Dictators Against Democracy (The infamous GDODAD).

His Imperial Majesty, The Great Ineffable Bob.

OOC: I support the Iraq war, however. Saddam verged on the maniacal.

I would say whether dictatorship is good or bad all depends on what kind of dictator you have. Same with democracy. Personally, I have outlawed elections, but allowed all kinds of other freedoms. I use the Baltic dictatorships of the 1930s as something of a model: so far I know they are the only lutheran dictatorships that have ever been in existence.

Look at my region. Its small. We have three nations:

Luiseland - Liberal Democratic Socialists
Civil Rights: Good
Economy: Fragile
Political Freedoms: World Benchmark

The Black Crows - Democratic Socialists
Civil Rights: Below Average
Economy: Fair
Political Freedoms: Some

Darksphere - Father Knows Best State
Civil Rights: Very Good
Economy: Strong
Political Freedoms: Few

Do you see what I mean?

Going by what I have seen posted elsewhere how to convert the economy categories to actual monthly income, they are as follows:

Luiseland - 800$
Black Crows - 3.750$
Darksphere - 17.000$

Need I say more?

/Darksphere

Another example of a reasonably benevolent dictatorship is Peru under Fujimori.

The Baltic dictatorships (Estonia and Latvia) were, by the way, also in the process of bringing democracy back when the Soviets began interfering in 1939.

/Darksphere

A dictatorship can work if the people feel that their vote can make a difference. There is such a thing as a dictatorship that can work; after all, some start out with pure intentions... Like the communists. The Romans had it right; the Greeks had democracy right,

I would say whether dictatorship is good or bad all depends on what kind of dictator you have. Same with democracy. Personally, I have outlawed elections, but allowed all kinds of other freedoms. I use the Baltic dictatorships of the 1930s as something of a model: so far I know they are the only lutheran dictatorships that have ever been in existence.

Look at my region. Its small. We have three nations:

Luiseland - Liberal Democratic Socialists
Civil Rights: Good
Economy: Fragile
Political Freedoms: World Benchmark

The Black Crows - Democratic Socialists
Civil Rights: Below Average
Economy: Fair
Political Freedoms: Some

Darksphere - Father Knows Best State
Civil Rights: Very Good
Economy: Strong
Political Freedoms: Few

Do you see what I mean?

Going by what I have seen posted elsewhere how to convert the economy categories to actual monthly income, they are as follows:

Luiseland - 800$
Black Crows - 3.750$
Darksphere - 17.000$

Need I say more?

/Darksphere

The Global Market
Capitalizt
Civil Rights - World Benchmark (it used to be Frightening)
Economy - Frightening (that's $40,000)
Political Freedoms - Excellent

See what I mean?

Dictatorship = bad. Always.

I would say whether dictatorship is good or bad all depends on what kind of dictator you have. Same with democracy. Personally, I have outlawed elections, but allowed all kinds of other freedoms. I use the Baltic dictatorships of the 1930s as something of a model: so far I know they are the only lutheran dictatorships that have ever been in existence.

Look at my region. Its small. We have three nations:

Luiseland - Liberal Democratic Socialists
Civil Rights: Good
Economy: Fragile
Political Freedoms: World Benchmark

The Black Crows - Democratic Socialists
Civil Rights: Below Average
Economy: Fair
Political Freedoms: Some

Darksphere - Father Knows Best State
Civil Rights: Very Good
Economy: Strong
Political Freedoms: Few

Do you see what I mean?

Going by what I have seen posted elsewhere how to convert the economy categories to actual monthly income, they are as follows:

Luiseland - 800$
Black Crows - 3.750$
Darksphere - 17.000$

Need I say more?

/Darksphere

The Global Market
Capitalizt
Civil Rights - World Benchmark (it used to be Frightening)
Economy - Frightening (that's $40,000)
Political Freedoms - Excellent

See what I mean?

Dictatorship = bad. Always.

Down with dictators.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

OK, if I actually have to frame it and put it up on a wall to get people to understand, I will:

As I wrote, whether democracy or dictatorship is best all depends on the dictator/elected leader

Get it now?

/Darksphere

PS. Out of curiosity: what is your population?

OK, if I actually have to frame it and put it up on a wall to get people to understand, I will:

As I wrote, whether democracy or dictatorship is best all depends on the dictator/elected leader

Get it now?

/Darksphere

PS. Out of curiosity: what is your population?

1.35 billion.

In a democracy, you can always remove bad leaders nonviolently. In a dictatorship, a coup is usually the only option.

In addition, democracies have laws that prevent abuse of power. In a dictatorship the government is above the law, therefore there is no check on government short of full-scale revolution.

Dictators are also more likely to abuse their power, simply because power corrupts. In 1792, Maximien Robespierre was an idealistic lawyer who was known as "Maximien the Incorruptible." He opposed the death penalty and worked hard to fight government oppression.

He became dictator of France at the end of 1792. In a little over a year, he executed 18,000 of his own civilians, including political opponents, he became deeply corrupt and invaded a bunch of small countries too.

Eventually his own party comrades got together and had him beheaded.

I have said it before, and I will say it again.
Democracy does not work.
In a true democracy, there would be nothing more than anarchy. You cannot have everyone deciding what to do, because no decision will ever be supported 100%. You can vote, and get the majority support, but that is not represnting the views of the whole.
A "good" dictatorships is the best. One person deciding what is best for the people. True, I cannot give a RL example of a "good" dictatorship, one that actually does what's best for it's people (except perhaps the Romans, but due to the possible inaccuracies of historical texts I can't know for certain what happened back then), but then there are no RL examples of working democracies, or even communists (Stalin=Fascist).
So what if dictators remove opposition to their rule? If they are "good" dictators, then they know what's best. That's why I founded The (now dead) Global Dominion Of Dictators Against Democracy (The infamous GDODAD).

His Imperial Majesty, The Great Ineffable Bob.

OOC: I support the Iraq war, however. Saddam verged on the maniacal.

Pure democracy and dictatorship are both tyrannical.

The best government is a well-checked government of laws. The law must ALWAYS be above the government, not vice versa. The highest law, such as a Constitution, should only be amended by 5/6 referendum. And it should harshly limit the powers of government and let people live as they please. [as long as they don't violate the rights of others in doing so]

The First Axiom of Dictatorship:

If you take one or a couple of the best, brightest, and least corrupt people in your country, put them in a room, and give them absolute power to run the country, it all goes to hell in six months.

So true. The French Revolution is a good example of bad dictatorship. But we seem to be ignoring some of the "enlightened despotisms" that modeled Voltaire's philosophical ideals. All of Europe was essentially dictatorial back in the time of Robespierre (oh and Global Market... it's Maximilien not Maximien or however you spelled it, just letting you know). So according to all those saying 'dictatorship = bad' is also saying 'Europe during enlightenment = bad'.

Once again, a perfect example of people concentrating on only the bad things that people have done. Just because there are bad dictatorships does not mean that all dictatorships are bad, just that bad dictatorships sell better on the newstands.

And democracies can often be just as dictatorial or as bad as any actual dictatorial regime. For example, the United States and Canada both treated Japanese people in their borders in manners unbefitting 'democratic nations.' Was this a cause of one dictatorial man? No, the majority decided that the Japanese were evil, scheming spies.

Therefore, do we conclude that all democracies oppress the ethnic members of the race they are at war with? No, we simply point to those examples and say they are bad. Let's stop using only bad examples and saying, "See! Dictatorships are bad." The Roman Empire was not the only expansive dictatorship. [Napoleon, Hapsburgs, Czarist Russia, the Commonwealth, Spanish empire, and so on and so forth. Not that I'm saying all of these were good, just that the world is bigger than the modern one.]

Dictators are all about oppression. They should be opposed whenever possible. How can anyone still support dictators. They have consistantly failed us. I suggest you go with what works: democracy.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg

Who says dictators are all about oppression? Dictators are all about what the name implies: dictating. An OPPRESIVE dictator, maybe, but that's not what most I've noticed in NS, including myself, are. I was the life-long appointed ruler by the Griffinian congress, and that is my rightful position, and the fact that I have not been overthrown (legally or otherwise) proves that I am doing this correctly.
Why put the government in the hands of the blue collar people? They are necessary to society, but don't tend to know the first thing about running a country.
Don't be so quick to judge what's oppresive.

Supreme Chancellor Griffin

Dictators are all about oppression. They should be opposed whenever possible. How can anyone still support dictators. They have consistantly failed us. I suggest you go with what works: democracy.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg

Who says dictators are all about oppression? Dictators are all about what the name implies: dictating. An OPPRESIVE dictator, maybe, but that's not what most I've noticed in NS, including myself, are. I was the life-long appointed ruler by the Griffinian congress, and that is my rightful position, and the fact that I have not been overthrown (legally or otherwise) proves that I am doing this correctly.
Why put the government in the hands of the blue collar people? They are necessary to society, but don't tend to know the first thing about running a country.
Don't be so quick to judge what's oppresive.

Supreme Chancellor Griffin

Hurrah for dictators, they keep stupid hippies away from goverment

There is no true democracy, its either dictatorship by the minority or dictatorship by the majority.

And dictators makes funny faces when they are swinging by the notch.

Who says dictators are all about oppression? Dictators are all about what the name implies: dictating. An OPPRESIVE dictator, maybe, but that's not what most I've noticed in NS, including myself, are.

I agree fully with Griffindon.

You may want to choose only to look on the bad examples of any issue you dont approve, but that doesnt make it right.

A dictatorship AS SUCH is no more repressive than a democracy. The difference lies in whether the leader governs according to the best of the population.

And we fully agree that democracies are generally better at insuring that.

It just does not mean that dictatorships are not capable of the same thing.

/Darksphere

The Global Market
Capitalizt
Civil Rights - World Benchmark (it used to be Frightening)
Economy - Frightening (that's $40,000)
Political Freedoms - Excellent

See what I mean?

Dictatorship = bad. Always.

Didn't you forget something, TGM? You know, the part that says "Crime -- especially youth-related -- is pervasive"? How free are your people if they live in constant fear? All you have is anarchy. I'd rather live in Singapore.

Just out of curiosity, could Napoleon be considered a dictator?

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In addition, democracies have laws that prevent abuse of power. In a dictatorship the government is above the law, therefore there is no check on government short of full-scale revolution.

Dictators are also more likely to abuse their power, simply because power corrupts. .


Uumm...obviously you havent paid attention to the US government in the last 50 + years. Granted I love my country, the ideals it was/is based on but the government is askew IMHO. Democracy leads to MORE political corruption than a Dictatorship. In an oppressive dictatorship, if someone opposes you, you eliminate them. In a democracy, they get money from rich folks, become a "special interest group" and become subversive to the current government officials. Whether via mudslinging to outright lying that has so much political spin it becomes fact.

Democracies give rights to all..thus giving opportunity for the opposition to get federal money (free or otherwise), government backing (PAC money, special interest groups, etc..) and the freedom to basically slander everyone and get away with it under new definations of 'free speach' (throwing rocks at police is NOT exercising your right to free speach) that lawyers, sent by politicians to help , would argue for years in court over thus spending more taxpayer dollars.

No, under a democracy there is far more corruption than in a dictatorship. Dictatorships have the corruption on one side...democracies have it all over (left, right, independant)

OOC:
Just out of curiosity, could Napoleon be considered a dictator?

I don't know how he couldn't be. :D

Napoleon is usually omitted from the list of "benevolent despots" because of his never-ending wars, but if you were a Frenchman living under Napoleon, you might of described him as a benevolent despot - after all, his vast civil reforms of France have remained in place to this day. Of course, if you were a Prussian living under French occupation, you might not share that same glowing assessment! :lol:

Dictatorship is bad if you refuse your citizen the right to leave your country. For us, if someone disagree, he is free to leave the country (and leave fast!), in fact that's the mean reason why we havent opposition or crime in our country. Not happy about it, go somewhere else see if life is better, we just dont care.

[quote=Darksphere]
In addition, democracies have laws that prevent abuse of power. In a dictatorship the government is above the law, therefore there is no check on government short of full-scale revolution.

Dictators are also more likely to abuse their power, simply because power corrupts. .


Uumm...obviously you havent paid attention to the US government in the last 50 + years. Granted I love my country, the ideals it was/is based on but the government is askew IMHO. Democracy leads to MORE political corruption than a Dictatorship. In an oppressive dictatorship, if someone opposes you, you eliminate them. In a democracy, they get money from rich folks, become a "special interest group" and become subversive to the current government officials. Whether via mudslinging to outright lying that has so much political spin it becomes fact.

Democracies give rights to all..thus giving opportunity for the opposition to get federal money (free or otherwise), government backing (PAC money, special interest groups, etc..) and the freedom to basically slander everyone and get away with it under new definations of 'free speach' (throwing rocks at police is NOT exercising your right to free speach) that lawyers, sent by politicians to help , would argue for years in court over thus spending more taxpayer dollars.

No, under a democracy there is far more corruption than in a dictatorship. Dictatorships have the corruption on one side...democracies have it all over (left, right, independant)

The US isn't a Democracy, though. We're a republic. We don't elect the President, we elect the people who elect the president. We don't make the decisions, we elect the people to do it for us.

True, but they don't vote differently from what they where told to vote. So better to call it a screwed democracy.

A republic is more like a democracy of only a very small group of leaders. But at least everybody has a vote in america, (excpet the illegals) so it can be called a democracy. Even a better one than the athens had.

Doesn't make america the holy land though.

Grin, ever thought about this one.

What makes a dictatorship oppresive. The people who try to kick against it to get it overthrown. And the once that kick the hardest don't do it for ideals, they just want to be the next dictator :P.

The ideals just suits them to a certain point.

A Dictatorship worls perfect in theory. But when that dictator realizes the power and the money he/she gets, they dismiss all reasoning and moral behavior. I love being a dictator because I know that I will never lead my people in the wrong direction.

A dictator must be true to himself/herself in all aspects and cannot change that. They must continue to help their people while pointin them in their own believes.

I can't believe people are actually defending dictatorships.

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Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
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They say, "Greed is just
stupidity in disguise."

a haggared man walks in with a security detachment

Excuse the muscle, at this time it's needed for me.

Ok....Sometimes you need to have a dictatorship or at least be one for a short time. Here's a good example.

Prior to recent uprisings, my country allowed a good deal of freedoms and the people were actually nice to one another. Imagin seeing an Iman, a Rabbi and a Bishop all sitting at a coffee house together discussing how all their religions have things in common with one another. Industry was good, crime was low....

...then some group of people not from our country infiltrated. They began to spread hateful propaganda and lies to the people. Talked of secret government spending, of how they really dont have freedom and they are simply sheep that are blinded by the shiney bobbles the government dangled before them. A protest was staged, which by law was ok..until someone threw a molitov. Later, a bomb destroyed a nightclub, a mosque, a post office and then someone tried to kill my daughter. Not even in her teens and someone feels threatened by her. Naturally, martial law was instated. By UN classification I had then become a Psychotic Dictatorship. Yes, armored personell carriers ran through the streets, armed soliders enforced curfews, there was strict screening of media to ensure hidden coded messages were not being sent out (like how some American POWs blinked morse code. Remember that?).

In this case, a dictatorship was needed. A dictatorship is being used and will continue to be used until the attacks stop.

Now please excuse me, I have a plane to catch.

walks out with security detachment in tow

I can't believe people are actually defending dictatorships.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Greed is just
stupidity in disguise."

I can't believe you're being so narrow-minded.

"Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!"

Oh wait. . . yes I can!

99 gallons of oil in the well, 99 gallons of oil, take one down, pass it around, 98 gallons of oil in the well. 98 gallons of oil in the well, 98 gallons of oil, take one down, pass it around, 97 gallons of oil in the well... err woops...

Dictatorship may be corrupting the leader's mind, but I assure you, if the leader is strong, and has good intentions for the people, then I am sure that it cannot be that bad. Dictatorship is known for making decisions as quickly as possible, which is a lot more efficient then your puny democratic society, we could make the decision in 1 day, or even less, while you could take months for your elections.

Hitler himself, even if not the nicest, proved to be one of the most efficient dictators of all time. Just in a few years, he took over almost all of Europe, of course, let's drop the Operation Barbarossa part, shall we?

Even though democracy may look like justice to you, it is actually the gouvernment that is in power, not the people, they just use propaganda and subliminal messages through your inferior intellectuality thanks to such garbage as television and the radio. It could be anywhere, it could be even while you listen to your favorite song, Uncle Sam might be calling to you "Join the Navy".

We would be better off with a dictatorship in this case, as it is going to go the same way in the end. Democracy and your accursed capitalism is nothing but putting an apple in front of a donkey, eventually, the donkey will get smarter, and realize it will never reach the apple it has been struggling to reach for so long.

Dictators do not let anyone vote, for they have a glorious vision for their nation, and know that it is best for their people.

Oh, and what people say about Ansgard... uuuuhh... It's a lie, I have nothing else to say about it. Um, do not trust the media, and do not read CNN, they are also propaganda trash, grasshopper.

And now, lets continue our national anthem:

97 gallons of oil in the well, 97 gallons of oil, take one down, pass it around, 96 gallons of oil in the well...

Oh and screw it! I'm going to the squirrel park!

He I am declared dictator to now by nationstates :P

oops didn't notice I was in the really old part of the search fuction. So this is what is called grave digging....but very unintentional. Just wanted to expand my basement and ran over a shallow grave. sorry

Dictators are all about oppression. They should be opposed whenever possible. How can anyone still support dictators. They have consistantly failed us. I suggest you go with what works: democracy.

There have been benevolent ones. Dictatorships are highly efficient forms of gov't thus that is why they should be had.

the only case of semi-working dictatorship was the Roman Empire, and it wasnt a harsh dictatorship as all dictatorships in todays world are
Actually, a more recent example of a dictatorship, Napoleon's France (just did an essay on it) proved a just and efficient government, at least from a domestic perspective. Under Napoleon, France had a clear and standard law code, actual freedom of religion (of religion, not from religion), and a stable and prospering economy.

a haggared man walks in with a security detachment

Excuse the muscle, at this time it's needed for me.

Ok....Sometimes you need to have a dictatorship or at least be one for a short time. Here's a good example.

Prior to recent uprisings, my country allowed a good deal of freedoms and the people were actually nice to one another. Imagin seeing an Iman, a Rabbi and a Bishop all sitting at a coffee house together discussing how all their religions have things in common with one another. Industry was good, crime was low....

...then some group of people not from our country infiltrated. They began to spread hateful propaganda and lies to the people. Talked of secret government spending, of how they really dont have freedom and they are simply sheep that are blinded by the shiney bobbles the government dangled before them. A protest was staged, which by law was ok..until someone threw a molitov. Later, a bomb destroyed a nightclub, a mosque, a post office and then someone tried to kill my daughter. Not even in her teens and someone feels threatened by her. Naturally, martial law was instated. By UN classification I had then become a Psychotic Dictatorship. Yes, armored personell carriers ran through the streets, armed soliders enforced curfews, there was strict screening of media to ensure hidden coded messages were not being sent out (like how some American POWs blinked morse code. Remember that?).

In this case, a dictatorship was needed. A dictatorship is being used and will continue to be used until the attacks stop.

Now please excuse me, I have a plane to catch.

walks out with security detachment in tow

Behold all, this is the motivation that should be used to create a high chance on a bad dictatorship :P