NationStates Jolt Archive

We've seen idiotic resolution after idiotic resolution get passed, lately, despite the loud rumblings against them in this forum. Two facts, by this point, should have become abundandtly clear to all of us: The first is that there is no clear correlation between the opinions of the majority in this forum and the opinions of the majority of member states of the UN. While the majority of us, here, see the lunacy of such resolutions as the World Heritage List and the Equality for All proposal... the overwhelming majority of voting member nations, and their delegates, are allowing these proposals to pass into effect, despite the fact that they rob member states of their right to self-governance. And so this first fact, which we must come to acknowledge, inarguably leads us to a second...

The UN is broken... and the majority of nations and regions who have the ability to get things back on course are either unable or unwilling to fix it. And so the people of Beelze feel that all freedom-loving nations who do not wish to bow down to this corrupt body and give up their sovereignty as nations should resign their posts and make it clear that these nations are united no more. As has too often been the case, this governing body has come to promote a policy of "democracy... whether you like it or not." And nothing we've been able to do, from within, seems to be likely to change this recent trend.

So if we cannot effect change in this united nations, then let us unite elsewhere, or not, in such a manner that does not encroach upon the rights of other nations and their peoples. Whatever strength the UN has comes from our tacit support of it. Stop supporting it and will cease to provide a means for petty idealogues to force their screwed up ideals on the rest of the world.

Mephisto,
Former Ambassador to the United Nations for the Dominion of Beelze

It is promoting the Tyranny of the Majority. What we are probably seeing is a bandwagon effect. People don't even bother to think things through, and just think "Oh, everyone seems to be voting for that, I will too". This is as common in real life voting as it is in UN voting.

I agree with Neko Neko Wai

Just a thought: those of us who come here are the ones who are actually reading the proposals (exactly how is it going to reduce apartheid to get the governments to stop looking at data about a maginalised group? That's just going to open the door wider for people to mistreat them and not get detected!). So we end up preaching to the choir in here a lot.

What if there were a way -- or what if we used a way already in existence (telegrams, message-lodging in regions) -- to campaign for or against issues? We can't make them come in here and listen to reason and participate responsibly -- but we can go to them where they are and try to convince them of our reasons.

It'd be work, but it's worth a shot....

Some of us are already trying to do that. So far, I see 42+ nations have changed their minds since last night.

I volunteer to help.

Would it be useful to put together a list of specific problems with the current resolution (brief!) and have a few nations set about telegramming the UN reps of the supporting nations?

Well, here's the latest revision of what I use. If you're going to TG, I'd TG the 2 vote nations, since they are the ones who receive the least amount of attention. Anyone with a higher vote has probably already been TGed. Also, the ones at the bottom of the list will be those who voted the most recently.

We humbly implore you to vote against the current UN resolution, Equality For All. While it looks good on paper, in practice, this resolution is nothing more than a resolution to starve every living being in the UN out of existence. The problem is that the clause "-All living beings no matter who or what they may be, have the inherent right of existence." means that no living being can consume any food. This would mean the extinction of every living being (and if the moderators enforce this, will mean that your nation population will drop to 0).

Even eating plants will entail killing their living cells. Furthermore, we can do nothing about bacteria. Thus, we can no longer even bathe ourselves! So once again, we urge you to vote against this resolution and also ask that you request those who have endorsed you to do the same.

Although the creator has tried to weasel out of his badly worded resolution by stating that "being" only means sentient creatures, a quick check of Merriam-Webster shows that this is not the only definition of "being". Furthermore, the fact that he said "all living beings" shows that this miswording was intentional (he even admits to this himself). All sentient beings are living by definition, thus "living" is redundant. Yet, it is included, but sentient is not. This shows the creator's true intent, and also the definition of being by which we shall all be bound.

We thank you for your precious time.

If you'd like to leave, then leave.

He, can anyone ask if they can run the same UN engine twice? I mean two different organisations, but with different members. And you can choice which one you join?

Or have the proposal engine from the un run for a region :P.

That would be way way way much more fun :)

It would... but it would also require a change to game mechanics, which I believe is something that is whispered about in sotto voce and therefore not allowed to happen. Game mechanics probably requires an appeal to Max Berry or whoever programmed this game for him.

As for leaving, well how are you supposed to do anything about this if you leave? The proper course of action is not non-action but action. Uh... let's try that again. Groups need to become more activistic about such things. Look at the changing tide with equality for all. Just yesterday, the vote was 5600 - 2000 or something like that. Now... it's approx. 5800 - 4600. Proactive action my friend is what turns the tide, not resigning.

It would... but it would also require a change to game mechanics, which I believe is something that is whispered about in sotto voce and therefore not allowed to happen. Game mechanics probably requires an appeal to Max Berry or whoever programmed this game for him.

That belongs in the Tech Forum...but it will probably be shot down.

And it's Max Barry.

This has been an OOC post.

Well, here's the latest revision of what I use. If you're going to TG, I'd TG the 2 vote nations, since they are the ones who receive the least amount of attention. Anyone with a higher vote has probably already been TGed. Also, the ones at the bottom of the list will be those who voted the most recently.

We humbly implore you to vote against the current UN resolution, Equality For All. While it looks good on paper, in practice, this resolution is nothing more than a resolution to starve every living being in the UN out of existence. The problem is that the clause "-All living beings no matter who or what they may be, have the inherent right of existence." means that no living being can consume any food. This would mean the extinction of every living being (and if the moderators enforce this, will mean that your nation population will drop to 0).

Even eating plants will entail killing their living cells. Furthermore, we can do nothing about bacteria. Thus, we can no longer even bathe ourselves! So once again, we urge you to vote against this resolution and also ask that you request those who have endorsed you to do the same.

Although the creator has tried to weasel out of his badly worded resolution by stating that "being" only means sentient creatures, a quick check of Merriam-Webster shows that this is not the only definition of "being". Furthermore, the fact that he said "all living beings" shows that this miswording was intentional (he even admits to this himself). All sentient beings are living by definition, thus "living" is redundant. Yet, it is included, but sentient is not. This shows the creator's true intent, and also the definition of being by which we shall all be bound.

We thank you for your precious time.
This is a great idea. I do not have the savvy to enact it, but I love it.

Beelze, there is indeed a purely non-UN region that is well organised and friendly toward outsiders that might be what you're looking for. Telegram me if you want further information.