NationStates Jolt Archive

From the Un before it can pass, as it is a self defeating proposal.
if all life is protected and has the inherant right to exist then no life may be used as Food, now you have protected life from sentient beings using it,
those sentient beings by the wording also have the right to exist, however they cannot live because they cannot eat, and if passed, a great meny nations Mine included will completely ignore this legislation, as it also violated the rights of the nations right to soverignity, by forcing them to die by starving to death,

in conclusion, I call up on Enodia to delete this proposal, before it gets out of hand.

There is allready an ammendment in the works, the Clarification of Equality.I realize this isn't a prefect solution, but it's one that works.

Don't ban eating.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg

this is a very bad proposal, it is a new reason for me to believe that the UN needs a review board perhaps 5 nations who can view all proposals up until they are pased and if need be strike them from teh que.

And who's going to enforce the ban? The starving soliders? The emanciated police?

Yes, this would technicly outlaw eating, but it's an unenforceable ban. No one will starve if EFA gets passed. It likely won't pass without incident, but it's not as bad as people think. Besides, as I said before, there is an amendment ready to close the loopholes, the Clarification of Equality, but it needs support now, not after EFA passes.

It will not pass without a war. That is certain. This war would not be a walk in the woods either. Most likely nuclear weapons would be used.

I agree with Loop here. The extinction of all humanity is not a good thing.

And again I ask, how is humanity going to go extinct? How are people going to magicly stop getting hungry becuase of a law? Yes, it has some glaring loopholes, but there's allready a way to fix it, it just need to get the necessary support.

as I stated in another thread, Infinite Loop will support any declaration of War against the writer of the proposal or any nation attempting to enforce the ban, and as this is a equality for all life issue, I believe Biologival weapons will be fully appropriate, and we are prepping ours in case needed. Proposals of this sort would be laughed off the floor of the Real UN, and we should do so here.

Loop

In any case, the UN will be come a laughing stock to the rest of the world even if it were unenforceable. What is the point of UN resolutions if no one's going to follow them? It would show the UN to be a completely ineffectual institution and we may as well remove the institution from the world (OC: Game).

also a Prooposal shouldnt Have to be clarified it should be well written before it is even posted, and the proposal gaurantees the right to exist for all life, it does not state wether it is sentient, animal fungal, bacterilogical or plant, this bill would also ban work on cures for cancer, Aids, and would even make it illegal to immunize children against polio, or any disease or malady.

This bill is mad. We are all for animal rights, but this is going way too far. You wouldn't be able to move or even breathe, for fear of squashing/inhaling microorganisms.

Also its taking up time and we could be voting on other proposals right now.

The wording is intentional and correct Please visit the following forums page for understanding.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=88365

Respectfully,
Emperor Dalith

21 yay
4 nay
pretty good odds so far

My reply to anyone who says that in a telegram to me:

I is entitled Human Rights therefor in the UN (RL aswell as NS) It would be comsidered you are not allowed to kill humans. Think about it. By the way 1/2 my telegram box is filled up with anti-equality for all TGs so sending me one will just give me more of an urge to vote for it.

That's not what the UN voting looks like, though. I think that too many people will just vote for anything that reaches Quorem.

Um, you're not even a part of the UN, The Belmore Family...

And the fact that it is overstepping its bounds despite the fact that it should only apply to Human Rights is more reason why this resolution is useless and should be struck down.

Edit: Ah, nm. It's one of them multi-nations, that's why.

Letila will help as well. We will crush the creator of the resolution and any allies. We are far more powerful than the united middle-earth. I have TGed many people of the dangers of this resolution.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg

Do Not Over-Analyze this, you must not look into this resolution too deeply it means exactly what it says...

Some have mentioned that there are resolutions that have been put in place that address some of the issues, I disagree.

The End Slavery resolution had been specific to declare the following:
..."I propose that the following human rights "...

I'm sure you have noticed that more then just some nations in this cyber-created world aren't even human fiction or non, real or imaginary who’s to say here? I have seen nations inhabited by talking beasts, vampires, elves, dwarves, (such as ours)...We feel that our nation is not under the protection of the past resolution and this is an amendment to that.

Also,

There are two more resolutions that are being Retro-Amended of a sort to include ALL (Key word), that is the Sexual Freedom resolution, and the Gay Rights resolution. The former resolution asks for sexual privacy within one's home out of reach of the state...and the latter asks for recognition of marriages and unions from the government. Don't get me wrong these were very VERY good resolutions that were much needed, but, I do have to say that our simply stated yet very effective proposal, asks for the banishment of the archaic Government usage and practice of sexual categorization based on bias. The government should not have to recognize a gay marriage for example, because with the passage of our proposal such a thing would not be allowed a categorization, marriages between two (in some cultures more) life energies is all it should be considered...a union, a marriage, that's all. Not a gay marriage or straight marriage. This bi-lateral recognition only breeds hatred, prejudice, bigotry and is only good for creating a schism between people.

I have brought this to the floor now, because looking at the proposals that are pending approval from MEMBER Nations, and Regional Delegates alike, the sense of this attitude of hatred and inequality is the norm for these nations, and if they feel that way great, but they should be asked to step down from UN member status.

Our great nation, like many that you would find congregating in many regions, have more then just a human populace if any inhabit them at all, and we are member states of the UN, and wish to be recognized as well. Even the category of the proposal states Human Rights...well those rights need to extend to ALL...human or otherwise.

For those nations that think that the wording is incorrect, first I ask again do not over-analyze this proposal. The individual governments have the rights to a degree of flexible interpretations and the UN therefore must be careful not to become too specific in details and not allow for such interpretive rights.

However, we understand your confusion, and to clarify, the language need not be changed. For the simplicity of the original wording is exactly what you want it to say. The key word is BEINGS. The choice of that word is not accidental, it was used after I researched the many definitions of the word and the following best commutes that meaning:

Being (Be"ing), n.
2. That which exists in any form, whether it be corporeal or spiritual, actual or ideal that understands and has a sense of "being v." acknowledges its existence and that of others; living existence, as distinguished from a thing without life; as, a human being; spiritual beings.
2a.Sentient

I believe also that the meaning of harm is simple. Every nation has it's own moral beliefs and if sex in the streets is not harming anyone then so it may be. However, if your government is ruled by a religous leader or follow a religous doctrine, well then sex in the streets may be viewed as someone infringing on the rights of those who do not wish to see that sort of thing and can be viewed as harmful to them. Such things are up to the individual government. Harm is again a word that was researched and the following definition was common from many different sources.

Harm (härm), n.
1. Any physical damage to the body caused by violence or accident or fracture etc.
5. Inflicted mental distress with measurable results such as psychological and or physical apparitions.

Again, the definition was explained above, and unless the nation is inhabited by or ruled by a species that is sentient (ie., talking cows, vampires that become bats, or insert creature here) then I don't see how animal rights activists can use this proposal for meat consumption banning. In fact I personally find animal activists to be hypocrites in the sense that they ask to ban meat eating but some species are carnivorous by NATURE, and is needed for their survival including most animals, and being that sentient species such as the human race for example, are technically animals... then they must respect that fact of NATURE. Human beings, on the other hand, are NOT by nature cannibals, although some societies live and thrive as such the killing of their own species is widely considered immoral, but that is not what I should be getting into.

As to the concern of anti-abortion activism, this cannot be used to abolish or outlaw abortion. For one thing it is not proven scientifically when the fetus gains the consciousness needed to be considered a sentient being, and although it is a life force, it's a life force created by the mother and father, and as such can be reabsorbed into the maternal life force, in fact all life can be said to return or be absorbed into the metaphysical cycle. Therefore again the answer to your question is no.

I hope to have answered all your questions in a courteous manner. Feel free to contact me directly if you wish me to address any other concerns.




Respectfully,
Emperor Dalith

You are losing ground.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg

I just cannot wait to unleash the full wrath of teh weapons stockpile of Infinite Loop.
we got some crazy stuff to kill doodz with.

philopolis' stance - against


Philip, Emperor of the Philos (NSPhilopolis@hotmail.com)
The Emperorate of Philopolis (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=philopolis) (Website (http://philopolis.cjb.net))

loop, i'm curious, who's the girl on your flag this time? she looks familar... :?


Philip, Emperor of the Philos (NSPhilopolis@hotmail.com)
The Emperorate of Philopolis (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=philopolis) (Website (http://philopolis.cjb.net))

loop, i'm curious, who's the girl on your flag this time? she looks familar... :?


Philip, Emperor of the Philos (NSPhilopolis@hotmail.com)
The Emperorate of Philopolis (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=philopolis) (Website (http://philopolis.cjb.net))

Cornet and Kururu from the PSX game Rhapsody,
I am a big Fan of the Marl Kingdom games, I jsut wish Sony would bring the rest to the PS2, actually perhaps I can use this resolution to force them to, say it is a violation of my rights to life if I not get to play it, however I will have probably died of disease or starvation long before it arrives.

oh. not the thing I was thinking of


Philip, Emperor of the Philos (NSPhilopolis@hotmail.com)
The Emperorate of Philopolis (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=philopolis) (Website (http://philopolis.cjb.net))

The wording is intentional and correct Please visit the following forums page for understanding.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=88365

Respectfully,
Emperor Dalith

Everyone please follow this link, it already includes explanation as to why the "precise" wording that United Middle-Earth does not say what they think it does, especially the use of the word "beings".

I have TGed too many people. The more I TG, the less support you get.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg

good Job Letila

has anyone else noticed how UME continually asks that we not try to examint his proposal too closly, sounds just like the kind of things an insane dictator would say,

No really Bilbo, all the ring does is make you invisible, nothing else, no drive you craxy, heck no, ringwratihs?
what'cho talkin' bout Bilbo

I always knew that ring was unhealthy. We are gaining on them. The gap was 31 last time I checked.

---------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "Just say no to EFA.
Even plants will be off-limits."

Question :
Various Pro-EFA countries make mention of wordings in laws by countries that are not our countries. They spout off contradictions. Example..if I called some other world leader a moron and threatened him openly to shove a nuke up thier nether-regions, said leader would get mad. Of course I would look like a fool if I then turn around and state that what I spoke was not what I said and that what I really meant was that said leader was a really cool person and deserves to run the UN.

Excuse me? Hello? People would laugh and hell, my own people would unsrup me and toss me in the looney bin.

The United Middle-Earth is doing the same. The wording, no matter what the state of mind, or intentions in one's mind were when drafting this proposal, it is simply worded and presented wrong. It clearly is violation of religious rights, human rights, animal rights.

Various points have been made to prove this. Their stance on what is considered life and what isnt is skewed and reaks of racisim. Example :

The esteemed member stated " For one thing it is not proven scientifically when the fetus gains the consciousness needed to be considered a sentient being" By who's defination and scientific proof?
Are there not some societies and nations here that believe otherwise? Their own defination of "being" disproves the so called scientific proof, therefore their argument on it is moot. Would then that statement show biasedness towards said nations? What about nations that dont believe cows have the same rights as humans? If passed, then I guess Bossie and the rest of the working dairy class can vote, drive cars, etc because cows would have rights and also be protected by the slave labor portion. In some countries, yes, cows are sacred....yet in others they are well done with a side of steak fries. Their own defination of 'being' (first defination) and 'harm' show that animal rights activists CAN use this (as well as Vegans) to promote very active animal rights porposals and resolutions, yet they say they cant. Again, one nation trying to tell the world how to live their lives by someone else's standards. They even misconstrue the facts..stating and implying that carnivores are cannibals in the animal world. Is a field mouse a coyote? Both are mamals (like humans, neko-jin, etc) but not the same race or species. How then can they be cannbals?

Preaching equal rights, yet in his own statement, Dalith states a bias towards animal rights activists, calling them hypocrites. Does this mean in his eyes, they are not equal?

What about drugs? My nation has ZERO tolerance for illegal drug useage. Our research shows it kills brain cells and crime and accidents happen because of drug useage. Does that mean that if this porposal goes through I can accuse the United Middle-Earth of violating it's own created Resolution because pipe-weed (aka canibis...an illegal drug in Necrotasia) is being activly smoked by hobbits to the extent children are smoking it? Of course some will say no, but like United Middle-Earth, I too can point to scientific evidence that says otherwise on the effects of certain drugs in tthe system.

They are seeking a New World Order based on a one world government. Has anyone in said nation even read George Orwell's 1984? Obviously not.

Since an accident is shown as part of the defination of harm, then does that mean there will be no accidents ever? What if this passes and one of my citizens stubs his or her toe? Since I personally was not there to prevent it, I guess I would be violating the proposed Resolution. I allowed harm to come to a human.

praise be to yevon! EFA is losing!

Votes For: 6141
Votes Against: 6358


Philip, Emperor of the Philos (NSPhilopolis@hotmail.com)
The Emperorate of Philopolis (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/target=display_nation/nation=philopolis) (Website (http://philopolis.cjb.net))

"They are seeking a New World Order based on a one world government. Has anyone in said nation even read George Orwell's 1984? Obviously not."

Exactly. By attempting to ban the usage of words, they are trying to control thought. Need I say more?

If you want an explanation, take the time to read 1984. Very intriguing ideas about language controlling thought.