NationStates Jolt Archive


The NationStates UN is too liberal

15-11-2003, 05:06
can the conservative members of this site somehow unite to get some non-touchy feely proposals endorsed? i mean come on these others are really dumb.
15-11-2003, 06:28
I agree. But in the world in general, we are seeing a rise of disgusting, revolting, smelly tree-hugging liberal leftist greenies.
SilveryMinnow
15-11-2003, 06:34
I don't think the U.N. is too liberal or conservative, it's just too tyrannical.
15-11-2003, 07:34
tic tic tic tic tic tic tic tic ... Tonight on Sixty Seconds we will hear from the founders of the UN of Nationstates....
Komokom
15-11-2003, 07:58
Intelligent but uninformed person on the street in uptight business suit and over 50 : "Yes, its is too liberal, i remember in the old days when it was nice and conservative. When others in power could do the thinking for you..."

Intelligent person of the modern world, in sync with the motions on contemporary society, "Personally, it aint liberal enough, I like it though, how its democratically based voting system allows my democratically elected leader give what is in essance usualy a vote with which is based on the opinion of the majority of my society, and like, although I am displeased with how its only a majourity vote andd not the good old 2 out of three majority, its still fairly effective, in my humble opinion. Oh, sorry, I gotta get back to class, were about to do a advanced english exam, ha, seeya!"

Now that my slightly biased opinion has been revealed, I would like to say : GO THE CURRENT LIBERAL U.N. !

With my full regards and respects, A Rep of Komokom
15-11-2003, 08:15
Intelligent but uninformed person on the street in uptight business suit and over 50 : "Yes, its is too liberal, i remember in the old days when it was nice and conservative. When others in power could do the thinking for you..."

Intelligent person of the modern world, in sync with the motions on contemporary society, "Personally, it aint liberal enough, I like it though, how its democratically based voting system allows my democratically elected leader give what is in essance usualy a vote with which is based on the opinion of the majority of my society, and like, although I am displeased with how its only a majourity vote andd not the good old 2 out of three majority, its still fairly effective, in my humble opinion. Oh, sorry, I gotta get back to class, were about to do a advanced english exam, ha, seeya!"

Now that my slightly biased opinion has been revealed, I would like to say : GO THE CURRENT LIBERAL U.N. !

With my full regards and respects, A Rep of Komokom

Well said.
15-11-2003, 09:37
This is so silly, did your pops tell you that the family is conservative and therefore you must as well? Whats wrong with poeple that "love" trees.. dont you like trees? Do you hate them ?
Rminds me of some people i know that are so obsessed with their soccer team.
15-11-2003, 14:33
Intelligent but uninformed person on the street in uptight business suit and over 50 : "Yes, its is too liberal, i remember in the old days when it was nice and conservative. When others in power could do the thinking for you..."

Intelligent person of the modern world, in sync with the motions on contemporary society, "Personally, it aint liberal enough, I like it though, how its democratically based voting system allows my democratically elected leader give what is in essance usualy a vote with which is based on the opinion of the majority of my society, and like, although I am displeased with how its only a majourity vote andd not the good old 2 out of three majority, its still fairly effective, in my humble opinion. Oh, sorry, I gotta get back to class, were about to do a advanced english exam, ha, seeya!"

Now that my slightly biased opinion has been revealed, I would like to say : GO THE CURRENT LIBERAL U.N. !

With my full regards and respects, A Rep of Komokom

I agree with you, apart from the "over 50" bit. I'm over 50 and I am certainly not conservative, no way do I want people in power to think for me. As I don't wear an uptight business suit either, i'll take it to mean you were talking about a certain type of "over 50". :wink:
15-11-2003, 14:36
ah, anothe rone who dosn't know what liberal means...sad.
15-11-2003, 15:10
Dosen't it mean a person believes in progress, reform and the protection of civil liberties?
15-11-2003, 16:28
This is so silly, did your pops tell you that the family is conservative and therefore you must as well? Whats wrong with poeple that "love" trees.. dont you like trees? Do you hate them ?
Rminds me of some people i know that are so obsessed with their soccer team.

Indifference to trees is where it's at.
15-11-2003, 17:47
Well, I'm not about to play semantic games with the term liberal, when common knowledge indicates exactly what is being spoken of. I'll use the terms leftist and rightist, since they are neutral of related meanings other than those political meanings they have been given in relation to the ideologies they represent.

The United Nations does seem to be rather leftist, in that there seems to be a decided push AWAY from the sovereignty of the individual nations, and more toward the global government. Take the recent world heritage act for instance. First off, there is the siginificant issue of the potential for reprisal. Suppose the nation of Pococurantism has issues with my nation, Sassafroon. What's to stop Poco from declaring my entire nation a "Heritage" region? It would utterly destroy our thriving mining industry, but would be sanctioned by the UN, for the "greater good". The UN has placed itself above its member states, legislating internal affairs that are none of its business. That is classic leftist behaviour.
15-11-2003, 17:59
Look, on sheer principal, the UN will always be liberal.

When liberals get a bill passed, a considerable amount of dictatorships and conservatives leave.

However, liberal nations tend to just pass more bills when the conservatives get a bill passed.

Conservative nations leave the UN, saving their own nation from the consequences but doing no amount of good to their own cause.

But, thay are conservatives, so they don't care. As long as they get what they want.

Such a pattern has been building for some time here at nationstates.
Spoffin
15-11-2003, 18:10
The majority of the site is liberal, so its not surprising that the UN is left-leaning.
The electric monks
15-11-2003, 18:19
freedom rocks
15-11-2003, 18:28
personally we see too many dictatorships in a world thats trying for peace, should slavery and equal rights be a universal proposal,yes

but there are other proposals that are just as important that could be addressed by the current and wise members of the UN...instead of "Make laughing a law"... politics it seems..is not without a sense of irony...
Pantocratoria
15-11-2003, 19:00
I don't think the U.N. is too liberal or conservative, it's just too tyrannical.

I don't think it is a too liberal, too conservative, or too tyrannical. My only problem with it is that it is just TOO STUPID!
15-11-2003, 19:29
The United Nations does seem to be rather leftist, in that there seems to be a decided push AWAY from the sovereignty of the individual nations, and more toward the global government.

We have argued against the "Bill of No Rights" and other right-wing proposals largely on the basis that such proposals violate our national sovereignty. It seems to us that the right-wingers are just about as guilty of violating that principle as the left-wingers.
The Global Market
15-11-2003, 19:31
The United Nations does seem to be rather leftist, in that there seems to be a decided push AWAY from the sovereignty of the individual nations, and more toward the global government.

We have argued against the "Bill of No Rights" and other right-wing proposals largely on the basis that such proposals violate our national sovereignty. It seems to us that the right-wingers are just about as guilty of violating that principle as the left-wingers.

How did the Bill of No Rights violate your sovereignity? It merely made mandatory things optional.
15-11-2003, 19:36
The United Nations does seem to be rather leftist, in that there seems to be a decided push AWAY from the sovereignty of the individual nations, and more toward the global government.

We have argued against the "Bill of No Rights" and other right-wing proposals largely on the basis that such proposals violate our national sovereignty. It seems to us that the right-wingers are just about as guilty of violating that principle as the left-wingers.

How did the Bill of No Rights violate your sovereignity? It merely made mandatory things optional.

Here we go again. The Bill of No Rights violated our sovereignty by telling us rights our people had and didn't have--in direct contradiction to our own constitution. It did not make anything that was mandatory optional, since providing social services was already optional.
15-11-2003, 20:02
The Republic of Bobists has recently submitted a proposal entitled "Respect National Sovereignity." It urges UN resolutions not to infringe on national sovereignity, amongst other things. While the Republic of Bobists considers itself a liberal nation, it agrees with conservative nations that so-called "touchy-feely" resolutions should not be passed because they infringe upon those nation's legitimate beliefs. Please support our resolution.
15-11-2003, 20:11
i agree
Nevermoore
15-11-2003, 21:44
There is a way to stop stupid resolutions from being made. Everytime one is submitted the intelligent nations of the UN should burn the nation that proposed it to the ground! There, problem solved!

Nevermoore's Ambassador to the United Nations:
Emelia Hearting
16-11-2003, 06:29
The UN is supposed to be a place where nations discuss issues that have an international scope. If you have no respect to the nations around you and the nations of the world in general and do as you please on others expense then of course youre going to find the UN dumb.

Sometimes national sovereignity has to be disregarded for the common good. We all live on one planet, come to terms with it.

And can you all just try to transcend this left-wing right-wing bollox. A good polititian recognizes and supports the merit in some proposals even of they are proposed by people with different ideologies.
16-11-2003, 06:43
Intelligent but uninformed person on the street in uptight business suit and over 50 : "Yes, its is too liberal, i remember in the old days when it was nice and conservative. When others in power could do the thinking for you..."

Intelligent person of the modern world, in sync with the motions on contemporary society, "Personally, it aint liberal enough, I like it though, how its democratically based voting system allows my democratically elected leader give what is in essance usualy a vote with which is based on the opinion of the majority of my society, and like, although I am displeased with how its only a majourity vote andd not the good old 2 out of three majority, its still fairly effective, in my humble opinion. Oh, sorry, I gotta get back to class, were about to do a advanced english exam, ha, seeya!"

Now that my slightly biased opinion has been revealed, I would like to say : GO THE CURRENT LIBERAL U.N. !

With my full regards and respects, A Rep of Komokom

:lol:
I'm a conservative. I am also 17. I would also say that I am informed on some issues, though not all. You insult me :P (you don't actually, I just like saying that)

Why is it always the leftist that is considered to be "enlightened" and "democratic"? There was a comment made earlier that very succinctly wraps up why the UN is so leftist.

They said that the game was full of people on the left. Which is very true.

The funny thing is that those on the left in this body are just as guilty of being self-righteouss and derisive as the right are stereotyped to be.

So will the left stop flaming the right... after all, not all conservatives are flamers and trolls. There are only the belligerent handful that ruin the general image, let's not take our hatred (or dislike) of a few conservatives and apply that to all conservatives.

Oh, and if you have time to hug trees, then you also have time to do something more productive... go and do it :wink:

Rad Kom
UN Ambassador
The Fiefdom of Baron Porkonia
16-11-2003, 07:43
baron, its nice to see another 17 year old conservative on here! in fact i'm turning 17 today! happy birthday me! sorry for the self-gloss there lol :D but seriously look into joining either the Suburban Ghetto Pimp Masters region or the Conservative Stronghold region. theyre both a lot of 16-17 year old conservatives. the stronghold is a bit more, radical lets say.
United Middle-Earth
16-11-2003, 07:45
The wording is intentional and correct Please visit the following forums page for understanding.

http://www.nationstates.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=88365

Respectfully,
Emperor Dalith
16-11-2003, 16:01
I'll think about it Greenwhich Green. Meanwhile, I'm content where I am. Go 17 year old conservatives! w007!
16-11-2003, 16:26
I'm a twelve year-old conservative(start laughing.....now). Do you know what I notice?(Stop laughing, I have something to say) I notice there are not many resolutions that are for improving the economic standing of UN nations. I would say most people are a fan of money and good economy. I actually have never heard of someone who hated it when the economy was up. But the UN seems to pay no attention to money, except to take it away, or make it harder to make. For each "All businesses" Environmental resolution that passes, a gutter UN nation(economy wise) falls deeper into the gutter.