NationStates Jolt Archive

We Request UN Delegate Support For a Drafted proposal, Gun crime is Rising Throughout the World, and its time international Laws and National Laws were Tighten.

If you Agree please support this Proposal Under the Title of "Gun Crime"

I agree. Let's make it so that the criminals are the only ones who have the guns. :roll:

And you think that you having a gun is going to deter them anymore?

In england a gun amnesty was set, People could turn in there guns and anyone who had them after that that a really tough sentence, it is held about once every ten years, and extremely effective.

It wouldnt be the criminals who just had the guns, it would be the law still, but british Police officers dont even need to carry guns, because theres so few of them.

The idea that "the criminals will have guns anyway, and we wont be able to protect ourselves" is quite frankly Arrogant. Infact most Studies show that the people who have guns have them because someone else did, and just stopping everyone from having them, stops the need to get them.

It's a little different in an area where Guns have always been prevalent. In a country with many many guns already widely distributed to both law-abiding citizens and criminals, it is naive to think that by passing laws and banning guns, criminals will give up their guns.

If guns are fairly commonplace, it IS quite reasonable to assume that the only people who would have them after they were banned are people with no regard for law (such as the law banning guns).


However, in a country like the US, it would require a Constitutional Ammendment- one utterly repealling one of the 10 basic rights as written in the US Bill of Rights, to ban all firearms. It was considered so important by the nation's founders that they added it onto the list SECOND, among all rights inalienable to citizens. Hence, it is a VERY difficult endeavor to ban them.

Youve got a point there, But the US as far as i remember Although being a state that uphold freedom the highest, is very good at over looking human Rights, For instance the US is One of only 2 western nations that didnt sign for the childrens rights act. My point is, its increbibly hiporcritical to say that just because its on the US bill of rights, means its on the human rights list, Would not Rights made for EVERYONE overide ones made for Some?

The US gun laws were made for a different time, and one would assume that such a Vibrant Nation, Embedded in freedom would be able to socially evolve? Not Changing Laws because its Un-constitutional is ridiculous, lives are wasted because its un-constitutional, and upholding 200 year old laws is not worth the loss.

And you think that you having a gun is going to deter them anymore?

In england a gun amnesty was set, People could turn in there guns and anyone who had them after that that a really tough sentence, it is held about once every ten years, and extremely effective.

It wouldnt be the criminals who just had the guns, it would be the law still, but british Police officers dont even need to carry guns, because theres so few of them.

The idea that "the criminals will have guns anyway, and we wont be able to protect ourselves" is quite frankly Arrogant. Infact most Studies show that the people who have guns have them because someone else did, and just stopping everyone from having them, stops the need to get them.

Preventing civilian ownership of guns makes a mockery of law, and effectively puts the government above the law. If you really want to be pro-law, you should SUPPORT the right of people to keep and bear arms.

Youve got a point there, But the US as far as i remember Although being a state that uphold freedom the highest, is very good at over looking human Rights, For instance the US is One of only 2 western nations that didnt sign for the childrens rights act. My point is, its increbibly hiporcritical to say that just because its on the US bill of rights, means its on the human rights list, Would not Rights made for EVERYONE overide ones made for Some?

The US gun laws were made for a different time, and one would assume that such a Vibrant Nation, Embedded in freedom would be able to socially evolve? Not Changing Laws because its Un-constitutional is ridiculous, lives are wasted because its un-constitutional, and upholding 200 year old laws is not worth the loss.

Amazingly, the US Constitution has been arguably the most successful legal document still in operation today, so the Founders must have been on to something...

Honestly go ahead and do what you want I dont care because I play as a future Nation and thare for Im not on earth im on my own planet so what ever you guys do wont effect me

it may be one of the most successfull but if it cannot be changed then it is Invalid for the Future, Anyway The hole thing isnt about the US constitution i was meerly using it as a well known example.

You cannot argue the fact, that if a stable country Banned Most weapons, Gun Crime Would definetly go down, and if most of the world did it it would be near nil.

Its the Psyke Effect, In Zimbabwe(As Currupt and Terrible as there goverment is) Has a Great way of Tv censor ship, They Wont show Fake Violence, But they Will show real Violence to all ages, because death happens, and if its looked on Trivially it Becomes reasonable.
If most of the public has guns, they become reasonable and the amount of Crime and killings goes up :(

I can, and I will, because it's not true.

People who are going to shoot up other people aren't going to pay attention to a law that says they can't have guns.

Prove me wrong.

You cannot argue the fact, that if a stable country Banned Most weapons, Gun Crime Would definetly go down, and if most of the world did it it would be near nil.

Just like in Great Britain and Australia. And now have the highest gun crime ever. Areas with greatest weapon control = criminal paradise.

It sounds like you are more against guns than criminals.

If you want violent crime to go down, you let people carry handguns, just look at the 'shall issue' american states.

People could turn in there guns and anyone who had them after that that a really tough sentence, it is held about once every ten years, and extremely effective.

That's why crime went up in the UK.