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Yes spelling does matter. If someone is going to convey their opinion, they should at least make sure that thier spelling is accurate. riting liek tis undermines the fact that they are trying to dispute a topic in a civil fashion.

Because I shouldn't have to strain to understand the person. And it doesn't help his argument any (although it's hard to help what isnt there).

For further clarification, I was the one that critisized his grammar, because it is horrible. And if he wont take the time to properly spell the words in his post then he does not deserve enough respect to not have his grammar critisized by me.

I agree with Vivelo,

As an international game english is not always the first language. tolorance sould be afforded.

I am English, however i am lazy and dyslexic but my points are just as valid as any other. If you have to resort to this form of critisisum your argument (and maybe mind) must be weak. I may disagree with of portigals point of veiw but i have had no trouble reading what it is.

Stop being so anal.

I agree with Vivelo,

As an international game english is not always the first language. tolorance sould be afforded.



Some tolerance is afforded. Like the way I'm not correcting your post at the moment. But while I don't expect everyone in the world to speak English, the fact remains that by choosing to play this game, people have chosen an English game. There are several cool net games out there in other languages that I don't play, because my command of the language is too weak (or nonexistent). I would still say, however, that we English speakers do have to be tolerant, and appreciate the effort that others make to learn our language. In my experience, however, the people who have the worst spelling and grammar are almost always native English speakers, and usually American at that (although my fellow Canadians can reach some incredible lows, sadly). If English is your native language, and your are older than ten, there is no real excuse. My browser has a built in spell checker - if yours doesn't, paste your text into a word processor before hitting submit if you know you need help with spelling.
I, for one, am fed up with the dumbing down that the internet has brought us. Why are English speakers so afraid to be educated?

Although your spelling is imaculate Zeke, your reading needs some work...

Do you not consider dsylexia a good enough "excuse" for someone over the age of 10 not to be able to spell? do you know what it is? im not sure your education has afforded you with all the skills and information you need. Im sorry i do not have time to paste into a word processor every time maybe you could do that for me you seem to be time rich. Do you have nothing better to do in canada that worry about spelling and grammer?

Surely the point is for communication of ideas. If this is sucessful why is that a problem if you have a letter or two out of place?

Sorry Zeke,

Just read some of your posts. I see why you need to take the high ground with the spelling thing....

A sutdy of the Eglinsh Lguange dcoisverd renctely taht the lugange can be raed dpieste sellpnig.

But I see the point.

I for one am dyslexic, and I agree with Englund, if all you have to worry about in life is someones spelling, then you need to find something to do with your time.

I for one am dyslexic, and I agree with Englund, if all you have to worry about in life is someones spelling, then you need to find something to do with your time.

I do consider dyslexia a legitimate excuse, as I said. I still feel it legitimate to point you at a spell checker, though. Not sure what your shot about taking the high ground referred to, though.
I have many other things in life to worry about, in fact, but that doesn't change the fact that poorly written posts are very difficult to read. Nor does it change the fact that most of the misspelling that happens on the Internet is the result of laziness, and I can't think of a single good reason that I should be patient with that. In reality, I rarely correct people's spelling. It tends to be largely pointless. But I also don't read their posts.

If you think about its better to have those of us who cannot spell around to make you feel better than someone… i know you like that.

Why must everyone be like you?

I for one am dyslexic, and I agree with Englund, if all you have to worry about in life is someones spelling, then you need to find something to do with your time.

I do consider dyslexia a legitimate excuse, as I said. I still feel it legitimate to point you at a spell checker, though. Not sure what your shot about taking the high ground referred to, though.
I have many other things in life to worry about, in fact, but that doesn't change the fact that poorly written posts are very difficult to read. Nor does it change the fact that most of the misspelling that happens on the Internet is the result of laziness, and I can't think of a single good reason that I should be patient with that. In reality, I rarely correct people's spelling. It tends to be largely pointless. But I also don't read their posts.

I couldn't agree more. The constant 'dumbing down' of the English language on the internet, in the media and 'txt msgs', is not a matter to simply be dismissed as a pet hate or minor annoyance, it is actually something of great importance. I don't think there's anything wrong with expecting to be addressed in proper English, and by proper I mean correct spelling and appropriate use of grammar. No one expects everyone to be perfect, but those who aren't are in no position to criticise those who are complaining about that.

I would also like to add another point, which may ruffle the feathers of the Americans and Canadians, about the loss of the 'true' English language to the American English language which has virtually taken over this country via the power of Microsoft spell checks. This is a pet hate of mine, and I'm sure it doesn't bother many of you but I thought I'd vent a little anger anyway! Every time I see realise written as realize I could scream!!! :tantrum:

Every time I see realise written as realize I could scream!!! :tantrum:

We sympathise with your point of view.

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I agree with Vivelo,

As an international game english is not always the first language. tolorance sould be afforded.

I am English, however i am lazy and dyslexic but my points are just as valid as any other. If you have to resort to this form of critisisum your argument (and maybe mind) must be weak. I may disagree with of portigals point of veiw but i have had no trouble reading what it is.

Stop being so anal.

Here here!

Or should I say hear hear. . .

I hates thes talk. It realy borig. :? :?

if i **** speel nd uoo **** reed whut i ryt thn that si uor prublum and not myn

oh i see how it works when people dont have a real argument they just start insulting your grammer and spelling which of course is completely irrevelent to the subject and is just a defence mechanism.

Speelign nds garmre ornt imoprttatn.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "1 day since the
last starship accident."

What aggravates me is not so much the occasional slip; most of us make mistakes now and then.
It's the people who deliberately err! Rrrr! Their idiosyncratic communications give me a headache!

What aggravates me is not so much the occasional slip; most of us make mistakes now and then.
It's the people who deliberately err! Rrrr! Their idiosyncratic communications give me a headache!

there is a diffrence between haveing an occasional mistake and going completely going out of your way to mess up what you are writing

sotp mkinag fnu off me.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "1 day since the
last starship accident."

I've raised this point before, and was rewarded with pages of people nit-picking my spelling (including at least three people who tried to tell me that Colour, Favourite, and Civilised were all mis-spellings. Not in the UK, Australia, or NZ was my response). In other words, all the really bad, lazy people who realised that they were in the wrong had to resort to the literary equivalent of "Yo Mama!" to make an argument. :(

Anyway, I feel strongly about spelling and grammar. Not to an anal degree, but I think anyone over 14 who uses "U", "R" "4" and "2" in place of "You", "Are", "For", and "Too/To" should be shot without trial. :x

Spelling IS hard. I'm very lucky in that I can spell very well, but I know others aren't so fortunate. People who speak English as a second language should be congratulated on learning another language, but what gets on my nerves are the large numbers of people on the Net who claim to have Dyslexia- every forum/message board I subscribe to has at least 5 people who claim to be Dylsexic. I know people with Dyslexia, and it's a horrible disability and anyone who can overcome it to any degree deserves a medal and the congratulations of all and sundry. But I know a lot of people, and only a very, very small number of them are genuinely dyslexic- I could count them on one hand and still have fingers to spare.

Personally, I think that 90% of the people on the Net as a whole who claim to be Dyslexic are, in fact, simply lazy- they smoked too many drugs at school, didn't pay attention, or whatever, and they didn't learn anything, and find that "pretending" to be Dyslexic is a socially acceptable cover for this. Now, I'd never accuse an individual of "faking it", but that is an observation I've formed over the years- whether it's right or wrong, I don't know.

But people who DO know how to spell, but are too lazy to do so properly need to wake up. "OMG u r 50 g4y" is NOT a form of communication or debate, its a childish incomprehensible insult and inappropriate behaviour on the part of the World Leader- real or otherwise.

To put it another way: Poorly spelt messages with appalling grammar and an over-abundance of text/leet speak tells me that the poster is most likely 15 and anyone who disagrees with them will be called "Gay", even though I'm not sure why it's an insult- it's a bit like using "Tall" as an insult. "OMG u r 50 t4ll"- it's still childish, either way.

I've learned to live with some of society's general spelling errors- the wandering apostrophe, for example (as in, CD's, DVD's Video's etc), but the internet and cellphones have encouraged people to get lazy in their spelling.

To put it another way: How would you feel if you paid $29.95 for a book and it was full of spelling errors, grammatical errors, and text speak? You'd want your money back.

Just because you haven't paid for people's opinions or views on the net doesn't mean you should discard all your standards.

The way you write is your representation of yourself, especially without avatars or being there in person.

If you want to project yourself as either a 14 year old kid who lives in Mum & Dad's basement downloading porn and pretending to be a h4x0r all day, or a 15 year old girl who's obsessed with hair, makeup, boys, and her social life- then fine, go for it. But don't expect me to take anything you have to say seriously, just as I wouldn't take anything those people had to say seriously in real life, either.

Rant over... :x

I 4m 2 4 h4x0r. U r n07 sm4r7 if u th33nk im n07 1. Sp1ing iz s2pid.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "1 day since the
last starship accident."

This isnt english class. The anal retentive people who scream you didnt use the proper verb or spell correctly really ought to look at thier lives..... Jesus people this is a "for fun" site get a grip!

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N0, I 4m 4 h4x0r!

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "1 day since the
last starship accident."

N0, I 4m 4 h4x0r!

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "1 day since the
last starship accident."

No, U R 4 hoaxer. :P

Sp13ng iz 4 luzers.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and really big butts!
http://www.sulucas.com/images/steatopygia.jpg
They say, "1 day since the
last starship accident."

l00k l00k I c4n b3 $to0p1d t0o! duh... *dr0ols* momma?

Anyway, I feel strongly about spelling and grammar. Not to an anal degree


Surely a matter of opinion… You felt strong enough to have a rant about spelling and grammar!


but what gets on my nerves are the large numbers of people on the Net who claim to have Dyslexia- every forum/message board I subscribe to has at least 5 people who claim to be Dylsexic. I know people with Dyslexia, and it's a horrible disability and anyone who can overcome it to any degree deserves a medal and the congratulations of all and sundry. But I know a lot of people, and only a very, very small number of them are genuinely dyslexic- I could count them on one hand and still have fingers to spare.


“Dylsexic” is spelt Dyslexic you got it right a number of times why were you too lazy to look through what you had written?

How many people subscribe to these forums/message boards? How many people do you actually know in real life? Do you know them all well enough for them to all tell you whither they are dyslexic or not? I’m betting more people use the net than you are friends with!

“genuinely dyslexic” what do you mean by this? You know people who fake it?

I have dyslexia and I do not think it is a “horrible disability” it isn’t much of a disability at all. Dyslexia is a learning difficulty and is more likely to be recognised in recent years due to better education of teachers into the nature of differing learning difficulties that maybe the reason for the perceived increase you are experiencing. Also Dyslexia effects people to a differing degree, I am only mildly dyslexic BUT am still dyslexic (proved by many educational psychologists at a verity of points in my educational career).

Dyslexics like myself are encouraged to use computers, as the spell checkers are useful for report writing etc. In our education system dyslexics are given free computers not a surprise then that many dyslexics are computer literate and have access to the net, your going to have to get used to it!

So to summarise for you… more dyslexics recognised + more dyslexics with computers – the stigma of the ignorant = More dyslexics on your message boards. (feel free to contact me if you want me to through it slower for you.)





Personally, I think that 90% of the people on the Net as a whole who claim to be Dyslexic are, in fact, simply lazy- they smoked too many drugs at school, didn't pay attention, or whatever, and they didn't learn anything, and find that "pretending" to be Dyslexic is a socially acceptable cover for this. - whether it's right or wrong, I don't know.


I do know, and yes you are wrong! It is this attitude that gave dyslexia the stigma it had for many years, people are just lazy etc it is just your ignorance that has lead you to this conclusion. “There are lies, dam lies and statistics” you think 9 out of 10 dyslexics are lazy pot heads fine. However this is just your opinion and unfortunately for you that opinion does not accurately reflect reality.

I think you should start putting you money where your mouth is…


Now, I'd never accuse an individual of "faking it", but that is an observation I've formed over the years


Is it because you are scared you are wrong? Please find the biggest lazy tattooed pot head in your local prison and explain to him that you have the same attitude as those who made him feel stupid and drop out of school. Ask him why he didn’t “just try a bit harder”…. Come back and tell me what he said.

Understanding is the key; even in a heated debate if you don’t understand a post because of spelling ask them to repeat it outlining what you don’t understand. If asked politely I’m sure they would be happy to clear it up for you.

If you do understand, what is the problem… you are being anal. If you only retort is pointing out an apostrophe is incorrectly placed you have a weak argument. It is about the communication of ideas. Language is a fluid media, the meaning of words vary over time, so do their spellings.

true.I choose to use at least proper spelling when trying to communicate an idea or opinion to others.I may not have perfect grammer but if you understand then it's all good.There have been times when I couldn't understand it.It's nice to try but if you honestly can't it's ok.

1 ch0053 70 7!p3 l1k3 7h15 w17h m! fr13nd5 8u7 w17h 4 5173 17 15 4n07h3r 517u4710n.

Please don't talk like that in posts.Not everyone can read L337.Plus it doesn't help anyone out.

There was already a resolution with this passed, about a year ago...

I don't think good grammar and spelling should be made mandatory, but we should just poke fun at the idiots who tIPe lIK DiS.

Yes, it's a game, but it's still important to spell words correctly.

As several people have said, there's a big difference between a spelling mistake and m3554g35 7h47 l00k l1k3 7h15.

And whoever was laying into Roycelandia should re-read his post. To me he's saying that a helluva lot of people say "I'm dyslexic" whenever their spelling is criticised- it sure as hell didn't come across as a personal attack to me. And calling someone anal because they don't like posts that are incomprehensible due to leet speak and bad spelling is just wrong.

Maybe we should all just agree to disagree?

greetings all,
Me personally i dont care who spells right or not. just as long they show me the goods (products) for sale, thats all that matters i buy things to keep my country happy :D but if spelling matters so much to so many people, then why dont you educate the rest by giving a class to teach other who cant type right. :P


as for me. i know all to well but who am i but a buyer buying from a market place full of goodies to purchase. :lol:


i dont care if type right or not..like this (example)

me dunt C U DARE U HIGHIN FLYIN U-HOO---(i can type this if i want too but i like to type simple and understandable so people can understand correctly my words).

Canus Minor

I have to back the side of correct spelling, to me if somebody is trying to make an intelligent point, they should be able to show some basic intelligence, or the reader is not going to give that person as much credit as the expressed opinion deserves.
Also I don't believe that laziness is a credible excuse, as a lot of the tricky little spellings still have to be learned and would take as much effort to type as the correct way, surely if you have a point to make you would also like to get it across to as many people as possible.
There is also the fact that with so many young and foreign speaking people involved in this game, the English speaking have a duty to at least set some kind of example.

Because I shouldn't have to strain to understand the person. And it doesn't help his argument any (although it's hard to help what isnt there).

For further clarification, I was the one that critisized his grammar, because it is horrible. And if he wont take the time to properly spell the words in his post then he does not deserve enough respect to not have his grammar critisized by me.

99% of the persons need to strain to understand the other person, period.

Bad spelling can be annoying when you want to seriously respond to someone but you can't figure out what the other is saying. My dislectic mind sometimes makes the mistake of completely garbeling up sentences which sounded allright in my mind, but come down on paper completely unreadable. I appologise for that, and am always willing to rewrite.

However attacking spelling only as excuus not to have to respond to the message the other is saying is low. And hurtfull for your self because it blinds you.

ps I am not really dislectic. At least I have never been tested. But what I do sometimes with words is amazing. So I can at least say I am not suprised if I where.

And whoever was laying into Roycelandia should re-read his post. To me he's saying that a helluva lot of people say "I'm dyslexic" whenever their spelling is criticised- it sure as hell didn't come across as a personal attack to me. And calling someone anal because they don't like posts that are incomprehensible due to leet speak and bad spelling is just wron

That will be me.

As a dyslexic I have heard this argument before and it insulting, and I think if you re-read my post you will see I must have read it all. As I went through it quoting it blow by blow. Now do you not think saying I have a “horrible” disability is not insulting? Why is it horrible? This is a personal attack to someone with dyslexia.

I agree about the numbers that is why I did not take issue with that portion of the post.

FYI (for your information) saying something is “just wrong” just says you could not actually think of a reason WHY it is wrong (if it even is).

They are anal not because they do not like the posts, that is everyone’s right. They are anal because they want everyone to use the correct grammar and spelling all the time. Anal in that out of all the debates they could be having they feel that this the best use of their time.

This also suggests that for those of us who cannot have perfect spelling and grammar all the time that our contributions are somehow less valuable.

I have to back the side of correct spelling, to me if somebody is trying to make an intelligent point, they should be able to show some basic intelligence


What is the relation between spelling and intelligence? I doubt you will find any never mind “basic intelligence”. The basis of intelligence is not spelling, or in fact written communication at all. Many psychologists agree that verbal reasoning one of the best indicators of intelligence.

Although I do ok, I have always been good for incorrect spelling and impropoer usage of punctuation. However within the context of the game I simple look at the "uniqueness" of each Members writing as I would if I were actually involved in International Affairs, that being that those who are writing are doing the best they can and it is a mark of my interpretation skills that I can garner the correct meaning and entent of the message or not. :D

What is the relation between spelling and intelligence? I doubt you will find any never mind “basic intelligence”. The basis of intelligence is not spelling, or in fact written communication at all. Many psychologists agree that verbal reasoning one of the best indicators of intelligence.

(emphasis added)

surely verbal intelligence and written communication must be very closely related?

Yes, writing is verbal communication written down. But in the process of converting verbal to written mistakes are made (dyslexia) however these errors in no way impact on the intelligence of the statement and therefore do not reflect on the intelligence of the person who made them.


For those of you who are interested I shall try to explain dyslexia in the way it was explained to me (go on it took me a while).

Dyslexics have a problem with operating memory. Say I asked you to do a sum in your head;

6 x 7 = A
9 x 2 = B
What is A+B ?

Perform this calculation without paper and pens etc in your head. This forces you to do one sum then hold that answer in your head, do another sum get the answer then add these two pieces of information together.

This is what dyslexics are especially bad at. (I cannot do that in my head). There is a fault holding A as well as B in our heads. The operating memory is not good enough.

With spelling it is the same problem.
Each thing say a “box” has many visible forms “the way we see them”, many things we see are called “box”. Then there is a verbal “label” Box (spoken) the written form of the word B-O-X.

When we are taught how to spell you are asked to associate the verbal label that you already know with a new written one. This is the exact point at which the learning difficulty of dyslexia becomes apparent. To do this successfully you have to use operating memory

What we see + visual label = A (spoken "box")
What we see + written label = B (B-O-X)

What is A+B or what is the written form of that verbal thought?

For most non-dyslexics this is easy, but because of the problems with operating memory the label becomes distorted. The word is misspelled.

Ask a dyslexic and they will tell you this sometimes (maybe very often depending on the seriousness of the condition) we have to stop and think about the spelling of a word, not as you would, but with easy words. For non-suffers you can see a word is “misspelled” we would see it “just doesn’t look right” we see the pattern is wrong but do not know why.

For you it is easy to spell it literally comes naturally, you remember the verbal label and the written label together we, more often than not cannot the written gets lost.

Dyslexics are generally average or above average in verbal reasoning, they think as well as everyone else (sometimes better verbally as a compensation) they whoever have trouble converting it into writing.

I apologise to those I may have been harsh to but it takes great effort to spell correctly or even to be understood. Spell checkers don’t always work if you misspell a work but by fluke get another the checker will not get it. If you don’t understand ask if you are just being picky I have no time for your intolerance.

And yet all your posts are fluent with very few minor spelling mistakes, the point is no one is having a go at people with dislexia, the majority of bad post come from people who should know better and could do better.
Honestly if someone like yourself can take the time to put together a well written piece such as your last post, and lets face it we all make mistakes, what excuse do others with no impairment have?

That's EXACTLY the point I was trying to make. Thank you! :D

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as long as you can understand it why does it matter? I have horable spelling but you can still understand me

Different words convey different meanings. Besides, it violates a previous UN resolution (although it IS meaningless).

My opinion: people who are capable of writing with proper spelling and grammar should at least make an attempt to do so; regardless of whether someone is very smart or not, I think people with atrocious spelling and grammar appear less intelligent than others. Certainly the odd typo is excusable, and I don't mind people who show signs of at least trying, but when it looks like a baboon simply sat in front of a keyboard and banged away, I don't feel like I should take this person seriously. I understand that it is a free internet game and no one is bound by rules of spelling or grammar, but if the person does not care enough about the game to put the time in to make their messages appear presentable, then I don't care to put the time in to read it.

As Ashania said, there are definite levels; someone who has put some effort into a post but has trouble with spelling and grammar is one thing, as is a person with dyslexia -- a self-proclaimed 1337 h4x0r with careless errors and a blatant lack of effort to even check for moronic mistakes is quite another. If people don't want to take the game seriously, I won't take them seriously -- it's that simple. I fail to see how asking people to at least take this somewhat seriously is being "anal."

If people don't want to take the game seriously, I won't take them seriously -- it's that simple. I fail to see how asking people to at least take this somewhat seriously is being "anal."

I agree there are definite levels I agree that those who “1337 h4x0r” are very annoying. This thread was started in reference to those annoyed by the nit picking of a persons spelling and grammar as the only response to them making a serious point in a serious debate (abortion I think it was). As I have said I believe the importance is understanding, if you understand the point there is no problem. Which definite level does this fall in your opinion?

What I consider to be anal is the insistence of those (if you read the thread through) that suggest all posts should have a perfect or very high level of spelling and grammar even given the difficulties of some others (“ there is no excuse” etc). The point was that some people cannot use the English language to the same level as some others (as it is a second language or have a learning disability) but this does not make their point any less interesting or valid.

I suspect we will largely be in agreement (ok maybe not the anal part but I was annoyed and expressing my frustration at the time having dealt with this sort of snobbery all my life).

Every time I see realise written as realize I could scream!!! :tantrum:

Heh. I'm Californian and I don't use the 'z' either. I used to catch unbelievable amounts of crap from English teachers and spellcheckers. "It's spelt with a Z!"

Yes, I say 'spelt' too. You English types are just going to have to adopt me I'm afraid, as I'm not wanted here with my funny language. :)

As I have said I believe the importance is understanding, if you understand the point there is no problem. Which definite level does this fall in your opinion?

What I consider to be anal is the insistence of those (if you read the thread through) that suggest all posts should have a perfect or very high level of spelling and grammar even given the difficulties of some others (“ there is no excuse” etc). The point was that some people cannot use the English language to the same level as some others (as it is a second language or have a learning disability) but this does not make their point any less interesting or valid.
I hate to sound self-righteous by naming names, but just as an example, I am in an RP currently with Drakonian Imperium, Axe Weilding Maniacs and some others; AWM (as evidenced by the misspelling of "wielding" in his name) is not the greatest speller or grammatical expert, but gets his point across and generally capitalizes all the right words (as opposed to those that never turn off Caps Lock or have never even tried it). Since he is always serious and obviously puts enough effort in to be mostly correct, it's fine. What really gets me is peple who jsut dont evin try too mak it lookk good adn miss stupd mistaks that coudl be found by jsut rereadin quikly b4 clikcing "submit'. These people obviously can speak the language, but if you don't even make an attempt to look like you take it seriously, then I get ticked. Maybe they do have a good point, but if they don't care enough to make sure it's clear and mostly correct, then it must not be all that important, or they would take an extra minute to make it look decent.

As for anal people ~ although my friends call me a "Grammar/Comma Nazi" in English class, I understand the differences between a formal research paper and an internet game (see previous paragraph). People who demand perfection (*remembers Marathon......*) are the anal ones.

So yeah, I guess we agree; it depends on the level of effort that was put in to the post (or at least the level of effort that is apparent from the post) that determines its validity. People who try their best and do a decent job are fine, but people who make idiotic mistakes and could stand to try a little harder are the ones who should be yelled at.

I agree.

I accept that more effort should be made but it should be accepted that the same effort from different people will yeild vairying results.

Concurrence.

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I have a close friend who iss dyslexic, and (I suspect largely because of this) has become a great poet. He does things with language that no one else would ever have thought of.

I'm always kidding him about his spelling though. :D

if you read the first post, it mentions verbal reasoning not verbal perfection... it's a good thing you guys aren't being rated on intelligence by how well you read. :wink:

people who have some sort of disorder often have great skills in other areas, yes... it seems that if you're great at something, you get short-changed in another area. some people seem to have fairly balanced accounts, other people are brilliant and have no social life because all of their "mental funds" are invested in brilliance... :P

only my organization and attention were sacrificed for whatever skills i was given in exchange.

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Well I personally have avoided the threads so lowly that they are filled with LEET speakers. I started this thread in defense of people like Of Portugal and the German Masters. They have been repeatedly criticized for lacks of capitalization and a few misspelled words and forgotten punctuations tell me:

is ths statement compltly foreigh to you
ar yo unabl to understand a word i tipe like ths?

Despite the errors in there, I can tell exactly what it means. You should be able to as well, and although the spelling is attrocious, the meaning is conveyed. It is simply pointless to insult people's spelling in a debate about abortion or gay rights. It just proves lack of a better response.

The difference is, of portugal and german masters rarely make good points, and thier posts hardly ever go longer than one paragraph. So it is completely obvious they are just not putting time into thier posts.

If anything I thought you would share the same opinion as us on this, because you seem to put a good amount of time into your posts.