Power to the People
Please consider the following proposal:
It Wants to be Free
A resolution to reduce barriers to free trade and commerce.
Category: Free Trade
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Sporkopolis
Description: In keeping with the higher scientific concept that everything tends towards a state of entropy:
Whereas "information wants to be free";
Whereas free trade is a good thing;
Whereas freedom should reign supreme;
We, the United Nations do declare that everything is free and nothing belongs to anyone other than itself. Power to the People!
Krensavic
10-11-2003, 19:36
Each nation should be allowed to determin it's own definition of free trade and commerce, imposing a law on each nation forcing such actions is not advisable.
I think this proposal is silly.
Sounds good...I'm all for it! :lol:
Each nation should be allowed to determin it's own definition of free trade and commerce, imposing a law on each nation forcing such actions is not advisable.
I think this proposal is silly.
In typical beurocratic fashion, you have missed the point. This is not about defining free trade. This would eliminate the need for free trade, since everything would be free.
New Clarkhall
10-11-2003, 20:23
Riiiight....and so anarchy would reign and all our governments, economies and societies would collapse.
Luckilly enough of us have our heads intact to ensure that such a resolution would never even get enough endorsements much less be debated on the UN's floor.
Why is anarchy such a bad thing? In this case, we would maximize freedom. Trade would be irrelevant, as no one would own anything, but yet everything. We could attain a world without boundaries.
Why? Because the people of my nation work hard to earn the things they own, and they need to be rewarded for that. What good is putting forth effort if you know you don't have to do anything to get it? And why work harder then your neighbor if your rewards will be exactly the same. While Communism like this sounds like a good idea, and can work well on a small scale where social pressures can force people to shape up or ship off, worldwide implementation of such a plan would lead to anarchy.
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New Clarkhall
10-11-2003, 20:42
Because you are being blind to human nature. If you make everything free, the strong will simply take what they want from those who are weak. Such a state of affairs is a descent into barbarism, the law of the jungle.
Without a basic concept of property, what desire is there for me to work in my field or factory or office? Why must the train operator drive his train, or the garbageman drive his truck?
If everything were made free, soon we would have nothing.
Then my proposal is no different than the resolution currently up for vote.
No! No power to the people! Pies to the people! PIES! MMMMMM. . . .pie. .
New Clarkhall
12-11-2003, 23:33
Then my proposal is no different than the resolution currently up for vote.
And we shall likewise oppose it.
The Global Market
13-11-2003, 00:04
Why is anarchy such a bad thing? In this case, we would maximize freedom. Trade would be irrelevant, as no one would own anything, but yet everything. We could attain a world without boundaries.
Unfortunatley, in real life there is something known as SCARCITY which basically means that things cost a certain price because there isn't enough of it to go around...
Because you are being blind to human nature. If you make everything free, the strong will simply take what they want from those who are weak. Such a state of affairs is a descent into barbarism, the law of the jungle.
Without a basic concept of property, what desire is there for me to work in my field or factory or office? Why must the train operator drive his train, or the garbageman drive his truck?
If everything were made free, soon we would have nothing.
If I remember right, there is a tribe that has no concept of ownership. Therefore no theft of any sort.
Ofcourse they are not as advanced as the western world, where people are muged and killed for money or possessions.
The Global Market
13-11-2003, 00:13
Because you are being blind to human nature. If you make everything free, the strong will simply take what they want from those who are weak. Such a state of affairs is a descent into barbarism, the law of the jungle.
Without a basic concept of property, what desire is there for me to work in my field or factory or office? Why must the train operator drive his train, or the garbageman drive his truck?
If everything were made free, soon we would have nothing.
If I remember right, there is a tribe that has no concept of ownership. Therefore no theft of any sort.
Ofcourse they are not as advanced as the western world, where people are muged and killed for money or possessions.
Few rational people would rather live in some paleolithic tribe than modern civil society.
There's a really great movie trilogy about just such a world. Stars some guy, Mel something or other. Mad Max, I think it's called.
Who rules Barter Town?!?
Aubreyad, where the populace is perfectly happy not starving to death or fighting gangs for gasoline.
The Dark Pheonix
13-11-2003, 01:05
Why is anarchy such a bad thing? In this case, we would maximize freedom. Trade would be irrelevant, as no one would own anything, but yet everything. We could attain a world without boundaries.
People are naturally selfish therefore this would lead to people taking whatever they want and eventual degreadation into a primitive hunting society. Private property is nessasary.