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Throughout the years many have seen a steady rise in the suicide rate. This has not only been devestating to the moral of the people but also to the economy as a whole. Laws already exist banning the murder of others, so Autohomicide should be the next logical step. By making the penalty death, many will not attempt it in fear that they survive it. Any way if they fail to kill themselves they are too stupid to live anyway.

I agree. Anyone who attempts to kill his or her self (and fails) either didn't truly want to die or was very, very incompetent. If they didn't want to die, they shouldn't have been so silly as to fake an attempted suicide. This is a very traumatic event for those who know the offender, and they should be held responsible for their actions. And if it's simply that the person is completely helpless, well, good riddance

We wholly disagree with this. Anyone who wanted to commit suicide could take a few pills and throw up a bit and then be nicely killed at the State's expense later.

there are cost effective ways to make them commit suicide, for example if you have any form of cliff near your border you can push them off it onto your neighboring countries territory and thus making you not responsible for the cleaning up. (Just make sure you don't get caught)

We wholly disagree with this. Anyone who wanted to commit suicide could take a few pills and throw up a bit and then be nicely killed at the State's expense later.

You misunderstand. The death they would endure would be both cheap and cost effective; as well as 100000 times more painful. Do Chinese water torture, thumb screws, or bamboo shoots strike any bells. These methods would put the fear of GOD into the possible victims of Autohomicide. If you like this idea pleas endorse me so i can make this and others like it issues brought before the UN.

We wholly disagree with this. Anyone who wanted to commit suicide could take a few pills and throw up a bit and then be nicely killed at the State's expense later.

You misunderstand. The death they would endure would be both cheap and cost effective; as well as 100000 times more painful. Do Chinese water torture, thumb screws, or bamboo shoots strike any bells. These methods would put the fear of GOD into the possible victims of Autohomicide. If you like this idea pleas endorse me so i can make this and others like it issues brought before the UN.

There is one problem here, and that is the issue of cruel and unusual punishment. Cheap painful death is also quite... unproportionate to said crime. And often times people attempt suicide because of outstanding stresses in their life; many of these people would be able to bounce from this event in their life back to normality. The attempted suicide opens up the eyes of those around the suicidee to how horrible said suicidee feels their life is and rehabilitation can be attempted.
In no way am I saying that you should go try to commit suicide to make people feel sorry for you, but those who have genuine problems and feel that the solution was to kill themselves and fail, we can help.

This is insane. Why would you try to prevent suicide by threating the attempters with a more horrible death? This could make the attempters try more drastic measures such as "death by cop". It would be cheaper to simply ignore the suicides instead of buying all that torture equipment. Another possiblity is to impose euthanasia.

The Great Nation of Putergeeks does not support this proposal.

if you have a dictator goverment like me you can send a cop with a desert eagle and shoot your suicidle person till they die. that is a reasonable way to end there missurable lives for them.

I do not support this proposal

This is insane. Why would you try to prevent suicide by threating the attempters with a more horrible death? This could make the attempters try more drastic measures such as "death by cop". It would be cheaper to simply ignore the suicides instead of buying all that torture equipment. Another possiblity is to impose euthanasia.

Julius Caesar did something similar to "death by cop." He managed "suicide by politician," because of his worsening illness.

I think that it's a sad reflection of the times we live in, that some one actually came up with a resolution like that.

Whats wrong with compassion and understanding?

Suicide is based on though shall not kill.
Death penalty is based on the human interpretation called though shall kill.

If you punish suicide, then you should have no death penalty.
If you have a death penalty......hmmmm doesn't work the other way around :P.


Anyways, to serious answer on a silly topic.

Perhaps instead of killing them as a crime, we could help them along? If someone feels that they can no longer go on living, they can come into a euthanasia clinic. The clinics would be supported by suicied fees paid by the soon-to-be-dead (s/he won't need the money soon anyway). THis also saves a lot of money in police and emergency response. Plus, no cleaning up shotgun blasts to the head.

As the right to life is held sacred, so does the Republic of Danchan hold the right to painless death.

Suicide is based on though shall not kill.
Death penalty is based on the human interpretation called though shall kill.

If you punish suicide, then you should have no death penalty.
If you have a death penalty......hmmmm doesn't work the other way around :P.


Anyways, to serious answer on a silly topic.
i think you mean thou not though...moron

It seems to me that the far crueler (and therefore more viscerally satisfying) punishment for attempted suicide would be life in prison (or possibly a nasty mental hospital) without the possibility of parole.

:twisted:

Suicide is based on though shall not kill.
Death penalty is based on the human interpretation called though shall kill.

If you punish suicide, then you should have no death penalty.
If you have a death penalty......hmmmm doesn't work the other way around :P.


Anyways, to serious answer on a silly topic.
i think you mean thou not though...moron

You're calling them a moron, now that is funny.

The citizens of Eponya do not approve of this proposal.

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Perhaps instead of killing them as a crime, we could help them along? If someone feels that they can no longer go on living, they can come into a euthanasia clinic. The clinics would be supported by suicied fees paid by the soon-to-be-dead (s/he won't need the money soon anyway). THis also saves a lot of money in police and emergency response. Plus, no cleaning up shotgun blasts to the head.

As the right to life is held sacred, so does the Republic of Danchan hold the right to painless death.


Hmmmmm.....an intriguing idea

Sure why not I mean they attempted it meaning they didn't want to live let's just give them what they want and do it right.

If an individual wants to kill himself, or wants to try and fail miserably, that is his decision and his alone.

Wow that's funny. Wouldn't that make suicide more common with people confident that they'll either be successful or will be killed so either way they die?

I cannot believe you guys. The people are crazy, for goodness sake!!! They dont realize that they love life just as much as you and I!! If they attemt suicide and fail, they need to go in a mental hospital! There they might be nursed up to full health and then rediscover the joys in the simple things!! But seriously, it might have been forever since they had a good cup of coffee and they might just have forgot that there is something to live for after all. Again, you guys are :x in crazy.

oh ya and i am not a buracrat.

I cannot believe you guys. The people are crazy, for goodness sake!!! They dont realize that they love life just as much as you and I!! If they attemt suicide and fail, they need to go in a mental hospital! There they might be nursed up to full health and then rediscover the joys in the simple things!! But seriously, it might have been forever since they had a good cup of coffee and they might just have forgot that there is something to live for after all. Again, you guys are :x in crazy.

Agreed.....completly....

And I would like to add that you guys who voted for this proposal are anarchotic( or whatever) FDUISGVFJHs.

got lost exactly who said it in the midst of the posts.. but someone mentioned that the attempted suicide would be hard on the family. But they still have that loved one among them! So does it really make sense to say "Oh, since they didn't want to be around you and it broke your heart, we're just going to completely rip your heart out by killing them for their selfishness!" Sorry.. I just don't think that's anyway to govern

The Free Land of Looniness does not support this propsal. It is basically guaranteeing them what they wanted in the first place. But then again...we could be better off without these depressed suicidal maniacs running around...but we go with my first statement.

I do not approve of this proposal even the most acutely possible. I think that it would be very weak of a nation to do that. If you want to show that your nation is strong in the medical, scientific, and psychological fields you would take depression to be a serious matter and fund a cure for it.

The people of The Free Land of Moistwarmfish wholeheartedly agree with you and are therefore against this proposal.

Throughout the years many have seen a steady rise in the suicide rate. This has not only been devestating to the moral of the people but also to the economy as a whole. Laws already exist banning the murder of others, so Autohomicide should be the next logical step. By making the penalty death, many will not attempt it in fear that they survive it. Any way if they fail to kill themselves they are too stupid to live anyway.


While I agree it's no good to have people trying(and succeeding) to kill themselves, there are two probs for me here.
a)suicide was banned on religious grounds up until this century(in Britain anyway) -do we want to ban homosexuality and many other "sins" and return to the dark ages?
b) It is the pinacle of freedom of speech and behaviour to allow someone to take their own life - preserve that and you preserve it all.

We would have to do something more practical - like feed suicidals ecstacy all the time - that would cheer them up(until their liver,kidneys and brains disappear :lol: :x

It's not a "penalty." It's just "helping" them succeed.

If someone wants to check out, let them I say.

Hmm...perhaps we missed this, but why exactly does the govt of New Clarkhall have to pay to kill someone who is already wanting to kill themselves? Also, how are suicides damaging to us economically?

If you are willing to accept the right to kill yourself, clearly this proposal ought to be opposed.

If you are against the right to kill yourself, you should still oppose this on the principle that in the end, you are simply giving the potential suicide his or her goal.

This is possibly one of the most rediculous ideas for a resolution that I have ever heard, If a person attempts to commit suicide and fails, 1. that doesn't make them incompetant, I would imagine it would be pretty hard to kill yourself. and 2. Instead of KILLING people that attempt to commit suicide we should try and figure out why they wanted to kill themselves in the first place and then help them through their problems so they can become a more productive member of society. Whoever it was that proposed this is a fascist, and all those who support it are fascists. We here at Commie Smashers would vote down this resolution.

Look i find this proposal is taking the wrong angle on this. Many people commit suicide because they have failed at something, we're just giving those who failed at suicide a chance to be succesful at something.

Instead of calling them euthanasia clinics they should be renamed 'success clinics' allowing, good, honest, suicidal people to end their life the way they want to.

If you look at the history of it many species commit suicide all the time. The lemmings for example, never see that cliff coming. Humans are very similiar, whether its through seppuku or an asp to the breast (cleopatra) people have been commiting suicide throughout our races history, its naive to think humans are going to stop killing ourselves just because you're uncomfortable about it.

Hmmm....so someone wants to die, tries and fails - so you kill them?!? Spot the obvious mistake. To the head of state who said we should stick them in thumbscrews etc...would this not give the message that the crime of autohomicide is worse than murder? Since the punishment is so much more painful? A suicidal person has decided they want to die - they've made a choice. A selfish and not entirely rational choice, but it is theirs to make. Murder victims didn't get a choice. If you are unfeeling enough to try and punish a suicide attemptee rather than help them then put them in prison with lots of nice men who want to be their 'friends', but it would be far better and a lot more intelligent not to punish them at all.

I'm going to kill myself in my sleep. That way I won't know when I'm coming.

I completly disagree with the proposal. I fail to understand the reasoning.

I say no because they would be getting exactly what they wanted. If you attempt suicide, you can be successful, but if you fail, you will die anyway. I think that jail would be better. That is probably what you would get if you attempted murder, which suicide and murder are almost exactly the same, except murder is killing somebody else, and suicide is killing yourself.

I have a better idea than that--we can not punish people for harming themselves.

It's his own body, he has every right to do whatever the hell he wants to it as long as he does not defraud or cause physical harm to the person or property of another without his consent.

Are you fucking kidding me? This is by far the stupidest thing i have heard in a long time. If you say that you are going to put someone to death for trying to commit suicide, then people to always go through with their suicide attempts. Most people who try to commit suicide do not succeed! Thus, instead of helping these people who obviously need our help, you want to put them to death. That make sense!

I cannot imagine how anyone would support the punishment of a person who is psychologically damaged. They may want to die, but it is no one's place, not even their own, to act upon that. Someone who is so unhappy with their life that they want to kill themselves should not be tortured for trying to resolve their problems in the only way they now how. I firmly believe that with proper psychological care can and will help them, along with support from family and community.
The strain on friends and family of such legislation would be immense, and make the problem even worse. Imagine that you are a parent whose adolescent child has attempted to commit suicide; that in itself would be hard enough to cope with, without then having to lose that chid because the state has decided to kill them anyway.
Its just barbaric.
Besides that, the way to prevent someone from killing themselves is certainly not to threaten them with death. Lets get serious. Regardless of how painful it may be, these are people that consider nothing to be worse than the emotional pain that they are living with.

I cannot imagine how anyone would support the punishment of a person who is psychologically damaged. They may want to die, but it is no one's place, not even their own, to act upon that. Someone who is so unhappy with their life that they want to kill themselves should not be tortured for trying to resolve their problems in the only way they now how. I firmly believe that with proper psychological care can and will help them, along with support from family and community.
The strain on friends and family of such legislation would be immense, and make the problem even worse. Imagine that you are a parent whose adolescent child has attempted to commit suicide; that in itself would be hard enough to cope with, without then having to lose that chid because the state has decided to kill them anyway.
Its just barbaric.
Besides that, the way to prevent someone from killing themselves is certainly not to threaten them with death. Lets get serious. Regardless of how painful it may be, these are people that consider nothing to be worse than the emotional pain that they are living with.

I am not even gonna go near this one,

Although to the poster of this topic... Close this window, close the disturbingly themed porno window, log off the net cafe computer, pay your bill, go home and get some sleep, oh yeah and tomorrow, get some help with the drug problem.

Your respectfully, A Rep Of Komokom.