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The people of The Rogue Nation of Serverside have come to me, to ask the mebers of the United Nations help in legalize Cannabis.

Join me as we take the human race in to a next generation, and show me you support and give me and the good people of The Rogue Nation of Serverside your approvals.

Just think of the money what good be made on taxes and there would be less crime. They is no ponit in trying to stop it you might as well just admit that it is here to stay and deal with it.

Cannabis is already leagal in Dalradia.

We do not feel it is appropriate to impose our beliefs upon the entire world however.

So sit down.

the Minister for Justice
on behalf of the Holy Emperor
Robert Cameron IV

So its a case of "Pull the the ladder up Jack" don't come crawling to us when you want our help.

And no I won't sit down!

Legalization matters should be a local governments decision. We don't want the decisions of this UN currupting our simple population.

Like our country needs another substance to take the pain away. EAt chocolate! It tastes better.

It is the considered opinion of the majority of cardonians that cannabis use is a matter of personal choice... the state refuses to impose restrictions and as such is willing to support any attempts to free cannabis use from the chains of moral outrage and puritanical scaremongery.

THe people say free the weed!

The citizens of Doriszappa already enjoy the freedom to smoke cannabis.

Although I'm not entirely convinced legalization is something for the UN to be involved with I think it would be an interesting resolution.

It would have to be carefully worded though, or it could result in a resolution being put forward that if passed would take away the right for any UN member nation to legalize cannabis.

Definately. If well thought out, any personal freedom legislation gets my support.

This is a decision for individual nations to make. Leave the U.N. out of it.

That's fine when you say that it is up for the individual nations to make a decision on Cannbis, but on the same hand how can the United Nations turn their back on a issue like drugs and international crime or is that the problem of the individual nations?

The virtuous and disciplined people of Nyborg feel that all matters of personal welfare and civil liberties should be up to the individual, and that consequently said individuals should also be responsible for their own actions. It is the opinion of this delegate that all matters of this nature should be personal decisions. However, I would also like to hear more persuasive arguements both for and against this issue.

Thankyou.
Gertrude Ingahoffer,
Under Secretary of the UN Delegacy of Nyborg.

The free people of Noncoercion do not support the proscription of rights from any government, whether local or global. Any magistrate that can grant a right can as easily take it away. Our people therefore cannot endorse Serverside's proposal as it is presently constructed. If, however, the construction were reworded to decrease the UN's authority rather than increase it, Noncoercion would reconsider.

I argee with you matters of personal welfare and civil liberties should be up to the individual, but if the individual never gets a chance to exercise their right to choose, is that not a breach of human rights as then the right to choose and is taken away.

The right to choice is over-rated. In the Holy Empire of Pantocratoria, we try to stop the ignorant masses from making bad choices by relieving them of the burden of making them at all. The Imperial Government will not allow cannabis to be legally distributed, used, or grown in Pantocratoria.

Surely every serious proposal should be put forward to be voted on by UN members. It can be argued that every proposal ought to be an individual nations choice. The UN was formed (in my opinion) to promote global unity. The regional delegates shouldn't just endorse proposals they agree with. If only certain proposals are allowed then we are going to end up only voting on "mickey mouse" issues and to my mind that makes the UN obsolete.

Joining the UN is voluntary, every member has agreed to abide by the majority, not just the majority they agree with.

What does Mickey Mouse have to do with smoking marijuana?

Are you messing with the Mouse? He'll send his mouse mafia after you and you'll have a "meeting" with the Mouse.

Ah ah, the Mouse has his own reasons why the legalization issue shouldn't go to the vote. It would eat into his own "druggy" profits.

Maybe nations should concider the fact that the Mouse is a global dealer.

At the end of the day you can pretend that there is not a problem, but guess what there is!

If this issue is not addressed on the international stage and sorted out, then no one will make the first move and nothing will change.

But if you think about it is grown in poor countries and the people who do all the work and take the risks don't make any money from this kind of business.

You legalize Cannabis you control it from the ground up, then poor countries can trade on the international market, just like Tobacco and look how much money has been made over the years. Instead of just going back to the dealers and back in to crime!

So support me in trying to make a difference.

Is the excellent ambassador from Serverside talking about people or about governments making all this money? Noncoercion can see how politicians can benefit from taxing cannabis, but how do free people benefit?

Well if you have the right governments in place in the first place then the profits from Cannabis will benefit the people.

Thats a good point.

Maybe it should be in the resolution that the goverment must use a high percentage of the extra revenue to benefit the citizens.

If we legalise cannabis, don't you think that the "Rich people" will buy into the business and start producing it, therefore robbing the "poor countries and the people who do all the work and take the risks (and yet) don't make any money from this kind of business" of what minor profits they make off the cannabis trade.
Also, if we should leagalise cannabis so that "you control it from the ground up, then poor countries can trade on the international market, just like (with) Tobacco", why don't we just go the whole hog. Lets legalise LSD, methamphetamine, coke and heroin. Imagine the money we would make then!! We can "control it from the ground up" and produce a nation brainless (if not dead) losers. What age restrictions would do you propose? Or should everyone be allowed??
Your proposal lacks any reason to make the UN seriously consider it.

You start by saying "don't you think that the Rich people will buy into the business and start producing it", has it cross your mind that is has been happening for years already.

Then you say that there is only minor profits in the Cannabis trade, have you ever held of supply and demand!

Then you start saying well we might as well legalise LSD, methamphetamine, coke and heroin. well if that's the way you feel about that's up to you, but anybody over the age of 16 can buy tobacco which is more addict than Heroin and you sleep easy in your bed about that. How many people die each year because of tobacco , I think you will find not one person has ever died by results of taking Cannabis.

I would treat it the same as alcohol, and give it a age limit of 18 > 21, and I don't think because you legalise lots of people would start smoking it just for the reason that it has been legalise.

It would be naive of me not to expect capitalism to rear its ugly head but I thought the main point was to give people more personal freedom.

As far as I am aware people do not die from cannabis. Many people die from a alcohol related illness but that is still legal.

Why not ban alcohol?
I think we all know why.

I think cannabis should be legalised maybe even just because it's too much of a bother keeping it illegal. Cannabis is also less harmful than alcohol in many respects, it doesn't make you violent for one thing and doesn't cause hardly as much physical damage, it can't put you into a coma and whats a stoned person gonna do anyway, hug you to death? In spite of this I am not sure that it is really the UN's place to deal with the issue but is certainly something many countries should think more deeply about.

As long as nations retain the right to *regulate* cannabis trade and use in the way they can regulate other trade and use of potentially dangerous products (requiring truth in labelling, prohibiting driving under the influence, prohibiting smoking in enclosed public spaces, etc), we in Gurthark would support a resolution to legalize cannabis worldwide. We do not recognize any legitimate argument that competent adults with informed consent should be prohibited from consuming any substance they choose in the privacy of their own homes.

Sincerely,
Miranda Googleplex
United Nations Ambassador
Community of Gurthark

Just like with any other product, no moral government will restrict the nonviolent use of cannabis or impose taxation or regulation on its trade.

Socialism is evil. Capitalism is the only moral system.

We think the government should get out of the business of telling adults what substances they can put into their own bodies. We have better uses for our country's resources than wasting them on a stupid and senseless "War on Drugs".

The problem with the legalisation of cannabis is a whole plethora of other legislations must then ensue. Because of the nature of cannabis chaning one's state of mind, it would then follow that legislation would have to be created to prevent... smoking and driving? And what would then distinguish someone smoking a cigarette while driving from smoking a joint? So the argument that fighting a war on drugs is a waste of time and effort then follows for the legalization of cannabis. For then the police would not only have to worry about drunk drivers but stoned drivers. Perhaps cannabis has not caused a single death as of yet (I neither support nor condemn this statement for I have not seen the evidence) but it may if people start smoking and driving.

People already smoke (as in drugs) and drive. It's just not as widely advertised at drink driving. If cannabis was legalized then a "Don't Smoke Weed and Drive" campaign could be lauched.

This is not the way of Adiemu and we will not endorse such heathen ways. Cannabis is wrong :twisted:

Cannabis has been called a gateway drug for many years now, there is a reason for that.... Cannabis is a gateway to harder, more dangerous drugs. Have you ever seen a elderly heroin addict??
Cannabis has been proven to reduce brain cells, as can be seen by looking at someone who has been smoking cannabis all their lives. Often these people are permanently "spaced out" and can not even function properly. Cannabis can also create, or speed up mental ilnesses. Schizophrenia is cause by cannabis in some people. How can you argue that something that does so much damage should be legalised. You can't put it down to personal choice, because some people don't have the ability to choose between right and wrong. Hence the reson for laws against harder drugs, theft, speeding etc.
And I don't approve of cigerettes either, as it is proven that they have a very negative impact on the health of users, but your argument is to legalise cannabis, not ban other things, so lets concentrate on why cannabis should, or shouldn't be legalised

Whilst Killerland would like to legalise several mind altering drugs - primarily ones which make our peoples love the glorious dictator of Killerkris and obey his superb policies, we feel that canabis would offer nothing to them - its not as though they have any spare time anyway, what with a 25hour working day and everything

Basically canabis would create a world similar to the netherlands, where hard drug usage is increasing, they have become a primary import destination of drugs, one city down south imports 60% of Europe's heroin. Not a good proposal, lets face it

But more money into research for dictatorship increasing drugs for the world!