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You are here to debate if guns should be legall.

Plz think of this: if no guns war would be nothing but to people lokking at each other in the battle field.

plz write wat u beleive...
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yes.

No, Frostyservantia does not feel that guns should be legalized. Although we believe in giving people the ability to excercise all rights as long as these rights do not impede upon others ability to do so, the possibility of imposition is too great for Frostyservantia to allow for the legalization of guns.

Absolutely...just look at the violent crime rates in countries with high levels of firearm ownership compared with countries where firearms are tightly regulated. In Australia, for example, firearms are very heavily policed and there are stiff penalties for carrying them in a public place or even in your vehicle unless you can demonstrate that you're taking it to a licensed dealer/repairer or to a place where it can be legally used although I'm not sure exactly how that works. I've not looked into it as I don't own a gun, nor do I intend to. As a result, assaults involving firearms are almost unheard of and when they do occur, they are something that is taken notice of in no small way. As far as the "only criminals woll have guns" argument goes, if they're heavily policed to the point that noone can really legitimately be carrying a firearm in any way outside their homes, then it becomes much harder for criminals to obtain and carry forearms. Not impossible, but much harder. Again, the results speak for themselves.

sadly we earthlings have been happily waging war since well before the advent of guns.... perhaps we should move towards banning war and violence thus making the production and sale of guns both un-necessary and criminal by default

SHOULD LITERACY BE LEGALL?

Australia leads the world in rate of burglaries and car thefts, and has more than twice as many rapes per capita as the U.S. Rates of robbery and assault are nearly as high as in the U.S., and far higher than in France, which has a three times higher rate of handgun ownership.

Guns are dishonorable, and shall therefore be prohibited to carry in public places. However I very much like the idea of swords being legal, since they are more honorable, and because of that more suited for dueling and settling of personal disputes.

They certainly shouldn't be illegal.

I believe that it is the state that should provide so much protection and saftey in the country that people shouldn't need guns. A strong law and police force is necessary, spice it up with a huge military presence and you have a safe and crime free nation that can prosper!!!

Swords all the way! :P
I think swords are better than guns.

i dont think guns nor swords should be legal since uh since... ah i am already in my pyjamas... SNORE

Ok-I'll take it on=for a bit, anyway- :)

You can't close Pandora's Box once it's been opened. Guns exist in the world. Questions of honor aside, guns are the personal weapon of choice for police forces, military forces and individuals. Why? Because they work.

Guns are a tool used in offense, defense, food gathering, or just plain recreation.

Should we choose to criminalize the ownership of guns for individuals, they would still be the tool of choice of police forces and military forces. Which would leave individuals who find themselves opposed to said police forces or military forces at a distinct disadvantage.

Another point in this argument is that it would make many people instant criminals-because they simply will not give up possesion of their tool of choice.

I think the question should be whether we should criminalize gun ownership-since it does happen to be legal, for the moment.

No nation should be allowed guns except us.

yes guns should be legal because they allow us to further our power

Well if private citizens owning firearms is so smeggin' fantastic, why stop there? Let's legalise assault rifles, armoured cars, tanks, anti-personnel mines (useful for stopping dogs from crapping on your lawn), claymores (both the explosive kind and the ones you wield in both hands), and nifty lightweight Christian Dior frag grenades in this season's hottest colours? If I think you look funny then I demand the right to plug you with a .44 hollowtip and don't come crying to me with your whiny left-wing neo-liberal complaints about cantaloupe sized exit wounds. Oh, and the rear mounted 25mm machinegun on the back of my Saracen? That's for tailgaters...never can tell if they're about to run you off the road and ask you for spare change...

SHOULD LITERACY BE LEGALL?
it isnt in Kerkmanistan

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Let's legalise assault rifles, armoured cars, tanks, anti-personnel mines (useful for stopping dogs from crapping on your lawn)....
Finally, the solution to my problem! No more shitty shoes. (Might work for those pesky neighbor kids, too, now we'll see if they think it's fun to chase a ball into MY flower beds.) Now all I need is a way to clean the dog paste off the lawn, the porch, the windows, the roof....

Yes they should be legal.But better control you see most crimes are committed with stolen weapons.

now that the debate is on, i'll expand on my "yes" answer; I shall be using the USA as my prime example on reasons for guns:

The Constitution of America's 2nd Amendment directly states (And I quote):

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a Free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

1: Protect American citizens from foreign invasion. If I brought an army into a city where all citizens had guns, It would be close to impossible to take control, if not losing my army completely to people sniping in buildings and shooting in the streets. This is probably why we have never really been attacked directly on US soil (Save Pearl Harbor and the Terrorist Attack, one is a military base far far away and the other was an indirect attack).

2: Protect American citizens' property. I don't understand why people don't see that police can't be everywhere all the time. If there's a robbery going on in my house, there is only one way to stop him without him getting away: My beautiful 9mm Handgun. I don't even have to shoot it, just aim, and threaten. He'll go to the next house, to the people who DON'T have guns to protect themselves, and go blow their brains out, because they won't create any opposition. Then, when the police come 30 minutes later, i could tell them what happened.

This is the main reason why the US has guns (Although not many people realize it):
3: Protect American citizens' from their government. The constitution CLEARLY states that the citizens must have guns. But why? The same reason that the American Revolutionists needed guns; to overthrow the oppressive government that is installed. If our government goes out of hand, the citizens have every right to rebel and destroy that government in order to create a new one. If anyone knows European History, John Locke seems to know what he's talking about when he says that citizens have a right to change the government to suit their needs.

So, in conclusion:

Guns should be legal.

Neo Nuria

The people have spoken and they say, "We dare you." I myself am a gun owner and love them far more than your children. We need guns to protect ourself from the Lynx and kill people. With 7 million gun owners in a country with a population of 7 million it really lets you know that the people are united and armed.

Eric Jackson the Sovereign Executor of The United People of Jacksonian Africa

Also Neo Nuria section 8 of Article I of the Constitution gives Congress the right to "promote science and the useful arts, for that purpose granting authors and inventors for a limited time the exclusive right to their inventions." Yet we give copyrights to religious fanatics who specifically want to retard science.

The Justification-Operative Clause format is not unusual for 18th century prose. Therefore the statement "A well-regulated militia being necessary for the seucirty of a free state" is irrelevant when discussing the right to bear arms, just as "to promote science and the useful arts" is irrelvant when discussing patents and copyrigths.

I don't think some civilians with guns are really going to stop an invasion.

Hang on, you support gun control, Global Market?

sadly we earthlings have been happily waging war since well before the advent of guns.... perhaps we should move towards banning war and violence thus making the production and sale of guns both un-necessary and criminal by default
....really and how would you plan on enforcing these laws? :evil:

yes they should be legal otherwise it would just be dull cause in the UK where I come from we are not even allowed to have guns on the house but in the USA i understand that you are allowed to have guns and shoot ppl that break into your house but only if they go up stairs and you are not allowed to shot them in the back.

I don't think some civilians with guns are really going to stop an invasion.

Hang on, you support gun control, Global Market?

no

Yet we give copyrights to religious fanatics who specifically want to retard science.

I've heard it argued that they fall under the "art" category because it is technically philisophical thinking. And some do call "creationism" science. We may not like it, but many things fall under the technical defenitions.