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On page 14 of the UN proposal there is a new one to ban homosexuality. All states which believe in natural law and decency are urged to support it in the fact of a socialist/liberal onslaught on family life!!

Support the proposal to bring back family values and re-assert hetrosexuality as the mainstay of a healthy country ONCE AND FOR ALL!

Why do you think the state has the right to regulate who we can or cannot consensually screw?

I would rather ban heterosexuality, at least that way overpopulation wouldn't be such a problem.

I note my staunch and total opposition to this proposal. if it does come to vote, (which i dont think it will) be assured that i will vote it down.

I would rather ban heterosexuality, at least that way overpopulation wouldn't be such a problem.

How... suicidal of you.

I think the human race should be destroyed.

I'll leave it at that.

THis is the epitome of complete, utter bullshit and government trying to overly-control citizens' lives.



I will be firmly, wholeheartedly against this.

I am firmly in agreement with this! not only will it help to creat a more productive culture it will stop the spreading of many dieseases

I am firmly in agreement with this! not only will it help to creat a more productive culture it will stop the spreading of many dieseases

diseases such as...? You DO know that AIDS spreads just as well heterosexually as homosexually right?

And I don't see what this have to do with productivity... if someone likes to screw people of the same sex, that person might have a HIGHER morale and be MORE productive if he/she is allowed to...

We of Letila are tired of right wing conservatives trying to take over the UN.

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ok dieseases such as this are most of the time started from gay realtions ships then spread. And with productivity if there were no gays then that would increase the amunt of people within your countries which means more workers and more workers mean more production of goods! it also creates more demand of food and other goods.

ok dieseases such as this are most of the time started from gay realtions ships then spread. And with productivity if there were no gays then that would increase the amunt of people within your countries which means more workers and more workers mean more production of goods!

1) If you're talking about AIDS it appeared first in Africa in 1959 because it managed to cross the barrier into humans. It was latent already in some people it just mutated into a deadly version. It had nothing to do with being gay or not.

2) Slavery is a great short-term boost to productivity too. Why don't we do that? And I remember you argued AGAINST cloning even though it would theoretically increase population a bit too...?

All the ban will do is create a black-market in homosexual products. You cannot regulate a person's sexuality. It will cause a significant government expense to police an attitude that is beyond an individual's control. I am hetero and this one is just a moral majority's view of controlling an individual's right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Indeed, Global Market, current estimates have it that 80% of international transmission of HIV results from heterosexual activity, which means that only 20% results from poor hygiene with respect to medical and illicit injections, mother-to-child transmission and homosexual activity.

I should add, of course, that I firmly oppose the banning of any form of consensual love.

All the ban will do is create a black-market in homosexual products. You cannot regulate a person's sexuality. It will cause a significant government expense to police an attitude that is beyond an individual's control. I am hetero and this one is just a moral majority's view of controlling an individual's right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

It's not even a moral majority... acceptance of homosexuality is mainstream in today' society...

yes, but slavery increase production by unatural means where as haveing the populous increas does not.

Between adults, that is.

yes, but slavery increase production by unatural means where as haveing the populous increas does not.

So as long as something's "natural" that's okay?

Then homosexuality is genetically programmed in many people, so isn't that "natural" too?

and no acceptance of homo sexuals is not main stream only the high ranking people in society do this because of law suits and not "excepting" everyone. Homosexulaity is looked down upon.

I would rather ban heterosexuality, at least that way overpopulation wouldn't be such a problem.

How... suicidal of you.

I think the human race should be destroyed.

I'll leave it at that.

Can you think of one reason not to if there was a way of doing it without harming anything else?

Anyway it is only one possibility, I am starting to think that the Earth is so insignificant it doesn't matter what people do.

Between adults, that is.

I think children should have the right to have sex, as long as it's consensual. They still have ownership of their bodies.

And of Portugal, notice how you're the only one against homosexuality here? Read some of the polls, I've NEVER seen the percentage of Americans who are opposed to homosexuality above 40%, including from right-wing websites. It's uslaly listed 25-30%.

Even so... what gives the state the right to tell YOU what to do with YOUR body.

NOo homosexuality is not "programed into anyone! its not part of the genes or anything! And why cant men reproduce with men or women with women because it is not natural! homosexuality is against the natural law

Can you think of one reason not to if there was a way of doing it without harming anything else?

Because human life is intrinsically value since humans posses the ability to reason effectively.

Of portugal,

You have yet to give a decent reason why we shouldn't accept homosexuals. Your contention that they bear a disproportionate share of the responsibility for AIDS is false, and your second contention that we should force people to have babies in order to boost production is both illiberal in the extreme and bad long-term politics; the Earth can only sustain a certain population level.

Support the proposal to bring back family values and re-assert hetrosexuality as the mainstay of a healthy country ONCE AND FOR ALL!
Nevermind that gay relationships have lower instances of domestic abuse, infidelity &, in the case of gay marriages, divorce than heterosexual relationships, right?

Yep. That seems like the basis to a healthy country to me. Go to work, bring the paychecks in, beat the wife, cheat on her with your secretary -- it's all good as long as you're not queer.

Riiight.

NOo homosexuality is not "programed into anyone! its not part of the genes or anything! And why cant men reproduce with men or women with women because it is not natural! homosexuality is against the natural law

You're an f-ing idiot. I go to a Catholic school and nobody thinks that homosexuality is acquired or anything. In fact, 15% of people THAT's almost ONE IN SIX are genetically predisposed to being homosexual.

Actually look up some facts before trying to argue. If you want to be anti-homosexual at least have a rational argument instead of trying to argue about this "natural law".

I've NEVER seen the percentage of Americans who are opposed to homosexuality above 40%, including from right-wing websites. It's uslaly listed 25-30%.

For the "land of the free" that is scarily high.

like i said these polls are not among everyone in the us it is usally to the more upper class people in society! homo's are looked down upon in our society!

you do not go to a catholic school dude if thats what they believe read Romans 1 and you will understand!

Well, they do say a man is defined by the company he keeps. Your society ain't my society, of portugal, and I dearly hope it never will be.

NOo homosexuality is not "programed into anyone! its not part of the genes or anything! And why cant men reproduce with men or women with women because it is not natural! homosexuality is against the natural law

You're an f-ing idiot. I go to a Catholic school and nobody thinks that homosexuality is acquired or anything. In fact, 15% of people THAT's almost ONE IN SIX are genetically predisposed to being homosexual.

Actually look up some facts before trying to argue.

Why does it matter if it is genetic/whatever or a personal choice?

like i said these polls are not among everyone in the us it is usally to the more upper class people in society! homo's are looked down upon in our society!

Can you find ONE poll that supports that? Even from right-wing wackos.

And then read Romans 2 - it preaches against being judgemental, built upon Romans 1.

NOo homosexuality is not "programed into anyone! its not part of the genes or anything! And why cant men reproduce with men or women with women because it is not natural! homosexuality is against the natural law

You're an f-ing idiot. I go to a Catholic school and nobody thinks that homosexuality is acquired or anything. In fact, 15% of people THAT's almost ONE IN SIX are genetically predisposed to being homosexual.

Actually look up some facts before trying to argue.

Why does it matter if it is genetic/whatever or a personal choice?

It doesn't. I've already proved that homosexuality is okay. I'm just proving that he's an idiot too.

you do not go to a catholic school dude if thats what they believe read Romans 1 and you will understand!

are you 5 or something? or do you just not know how to type?

you do not go to a catholic school dude if thats what they believe read Romans 1 and you will understand!

Can you prove that God exists? Beyond a reasonable doubt?

If not then we shouldn't be making policies in relation to God.

Yes but does it say that homo sexuality is right NO! you are twisting the words! It clearly states that GOD had wrath to these people! nd it even says that turn against what is natural and their minds became darkened!

Wolomy,

Good question. Personally, I don't think it matters, since I don't set a value principle on people's sexual preferences (unless they have really terrible taste in partners, that is). But it is interesting, nonetheless.

you brought up catholicism dude!

again answer the question, why should the government control what you can and cant do with your body?

Wolomy,

Good question. Personally, I don't think it matters, since I don't set a value principle on people's sexual preferences (unless they have really terrible taste in partners, that is). But it is interesting, nonetheless.

I don't think it matters either. But Portugal apparently does.

Of portugal,

You seem to have retreated to 'natural' and 'biblical' law now. I don't see why we should respect any law that isn't designed by man for the benefit of man.

again answer the question, why should the government control what you can and cant do with your body?

"...this government, swollen and arrogant with itself, goes butting into our business...It checks the amount of tropical oils in our snack foods, tells us what kind of gasoline we can buy for our cars and how fast we can drive them, bosses us around about retirement, education, and what's on TV; counts our noses and asks fresh questions about who's still living at home and how many bathrooms we have; decides whether the door to our office or shop should have steps or a wheelchair ramp; decrees the sex and complexion of the people we hire there; lectures us on safe sex; dictates what we can sniff, smoke, and swallow; and waylays young men, ships them to distant places, and tells them to shoot people they don't even know."
--PJ O'Rourke, Parliament of Whores

any body who says god isn't against homosexuals hasn't read the story of soddom and gomorah recently. god smote entire city of homosexuals with raining sulfur.

Besides which, your claims that natural and biblical law support your position seem weak in the extreme to me.

while there should be a seperation of church and state many of the laws we have in this country have a religious base.

Ye gods, another one. Now tell me where in the BIBLE it says anything about the sins of Sodom and Gomorrah being to do with homosexuality; and then tell me why I should obey what you interpret into a book I don't believe anyways. Would you like me to dictate laws to you from the writings of Buddha or the recitations of Mohammed?

the men of soddom wnated to have sexual reltions with the angels who were in the form of men and did not want lot's virgin daughters. they wanted the men.

Well, they also wanted angels - which would seem to be pretty much more in defiance of divine law anyways.

while there should be a seperation of church and state many of the laws we have in this country have a religious base.

They have a natural-rights base. Can you tell me some that have a religious base that goes against the concept of natural rights?

If so they shoudl probably be repealed.

you do have a point about the other religions thing, but buddha would probabely say to deny any kind of sexual urge anyway.

Merely an comment, not an opinion. Everyweek we have one of these threads, and one to do with abortion, and one to do with nazis. Is there anything 'fresh' out there?

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DLOC,

So, do you support banning homosexuality too then, or not?

queers are a bunch of pansy's need to be lined up and shot!

Here's one plus to homosexuality: less people getting pregnant and coming up with pathetic arguments about how the child isnt a person so its ok to kill them. Outside of that, I can see no plus to it.

How about the right to your own body? There aren't any pluses or minuses to homosexuality... but it is a right.

queers are a bunch of pansy's need to be lined up and shot!


don't reproduce. ever.

Vivelo,

It's a form of love. Many people find there are a lot of plus sides to love, and why should we force other people to abide by our limits, as long as they aren't hurting anyone?

Vivelo,

It's a form of love. Many people find there are a lot of plus sides to love, and why should we force other people to abide by our limits, as long as they aren't hurting anyone?

I think he means that there are no MEASURABLE pluses. THat's true. There are no measurable minuses either.

This isn't about desirability... it's about rights.

who says they arent hurting any one? either physcial or mental! they could be spreading diseases!

homo sexuality is a perversness of the mind going against what is right and how humanity is intended to be!

who says they arent hurting any one? either physcial or mental! they could be spreading diseases!

YOu can be spreading diseases heterosexually too.

You can be spreading diseases by sneezing, should we abolish that?

And HOW does it hurt YOU or anybody else if two consenting people of the same gender decide to have sex?

Vivelo,

It's a form of love. Many people find there are a lot of plus sides to love, and why should we force other people to abide by our limits, as long as they aren't hurting anyone?

i'm not forcing religion on anyone, but they're hurting themselves. living a sinful lifestyle and being totally unrepentant'll get you hell.

homo sexuality is a perversness of the mind going against what is right and how humanity is intended to be!

What is humanity intended to be... exactly? And who 'intended' it? Can you prove that entity even exists?

Vivelo,

It's a form of love. Many people find there are a lot of plus sides to love, and why should we force other people to abide by our limits, as long as they aren't hurting anyone?

i'm not forcing religion on anyone, but they're hurting themselves. living a sinful lifestyle and being totally unrepentant'll get you hell.

Can you prove this beyond reasonable doubt, using the Scientific Method?

If not, this shouldn't be reflected in government policy.

Vivelo,

It's a form of love. Many people find there are a lot of plus sides to love, and why should we force other people to abide by our limits, as long as they aren't hurting anyone?

i'm not forcing religion on anyone, but they're hurting themselves. living a sinful lifestyle and being totally unrepentant'll get you hell.

........according to your particular religious beliefs, but do you want to force your beliefs onto them by enacting a law like this?

Kaglar,

You'd have to shoot me first.

Of portugal,

Get serious, now. People flying an airplane seems a bit more against anything man was physically designed for. And look at this from the harm principle - why does this deserve criminal sentencing? Have gay people gone out to hurt, to steal from, to insult anybody? No - they've just found love in the best way for them.

I'm leaving tonight. But let me share my final piece of wisdom:

- Laws should be based on the physical universe

ill take a liberal stance and say that man evolved. why did man evolve into two specific genders? why arent we like some other species when there are no specific genders? becuase thats the way we evoloved! and going against how we evolved goes against what is natural! (i am not an evolutionist though just useing this as a example)

your using the internet isnt natural either. i mean, were our fingers designed to press down on keys? oh crap, we better ban the internet. and houses, and plumbing, and medical care, and cars,........

Vivelo,

It's a form of love. Many people find there are a lot of plus sides to love, and why should we force other people to abide by our limits, as long as they aren't hurting anyone?

i'm not forcing religion on anyone, but they're hurting themselves. living a sinful lifestyle and being totally unrepentant'll get you hell.

Can you prove this beyond reasonable doubt, using the Scientific Method?

If not, this shouldn't be reflected in government policy.

if you want to talk about using the scientific method and get technical then let's talk about the physical and biological inequality between men and women despite relativley equal rights.

DLC,

And you're being judgmental. Which also gets you to hell, apparently. So let it lie.

Portugal,

I don't like to presuppose purposes for other peoples' lives - that's their business. As long, like I said, as they aren't hurting anybody.

Zensunni,

You seem to be a bit off-topic.

wtf? im saying that it wasnt natural for a man to have sex with another! and maybe we just by some coincidence "evolved" to be able to do things such as this!

how do you know its not natural? animals have gay relationships.

yah when they r under heat and have nothing else! and idk about you but i dont compare my self to animals!

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Portugal,

If you don't want to have sex with another man because you think it isn't natural or whatever, then don't. Nobody should force you to. But this is not a rationale for making anything illegal.

no they don't. it goes against instinct. humans are the only animals that have sex for pleasure. animals wouldn't have any need for homosexuality. especially considering that a primary point in an animals life is to reproduce.

why not? you are an animal.

and no its not "just when they are bored" you ignoramus. some animals are decidedly homosexual.

Consensual gay sex is not the same as rape or prostitution. It's a choice. Any reasons for misliking the former are completely different to those for misliking the others.

my personal opinion is that animals do not have souls, they may be intelligent, but that's what seperates us from them.

DLC,

Yet all the same, animals, from bonobos to dolphins, do take part in homosexual sex.

i didnt say that learn to read you limy moron! my word meant when there wasnt an animal of the other sex! duh! No i consider my self above animals animals are not the same as humans!

no they don't. it goes against instinct. humans are the only animals that have sex for pleasure. animals wouldn't have any need for homosexuality. especially considering that a primary point in an animals life is to reproduce.

Yes, they do. Animals being homosexual is the same as humans being homosexual-it is a genetic lottery, whoever is homosexual is homosexual. You can't make a homosexual become straight, unless you can find a way to alter their genes.

And I don't believe in the soul. So we're back to the question of alternative religious beliefs again - and they don't make a good basis for laws.

i didnt say that learn to read you limy moron! my word meant when there wasnt an animal of the other sex! duh! No i consider my self above animals animals are not the same as humans!

no, according to every biologist on the planet, you are an animal.

and there are animals that have homosexual relationships even if they are surrounded by members of the opposite sex.

Portugal,

Chill.

so then its obvious that if a country allows freedom of religion then they cannot enforce laws to ban homosexuality considereing that that is where most of the antihomesexual sentiment is coming from.

my personal opinion is that animals do not have souls, they may be intelligent, but that's what seperates us from them.

Can you prove empirically that humans have souls? If not, why should we base government policy on anything regarding souls?

no they don't. it goes against instinct. humans are the only animals that have sex for pleasure. animals wouldn't have any need for homosexuality. especially considering that a primary point in an animals life is to reproduce.

Incorrect, Bonobos (the second closest genetic cousin to humans) have sex as a matter of societal structure, and all higher mammals' pleasure centers in the brain are stimulated by intercourse.

So, you haven't addressed the fact that animals do have homosexual intercourse, and fail to address empirical evidence showing that humans have souls. You also fail on addressing your assertion that animals do not have souls.

Therefore, we shouldn't listen to you when it comes to matters of human governance.

ok you want to make it genetic? y do u think they cant have children? so how was the gay born? it cant be genetic other wise he/she wouldnt have been born! becuase u need a male and a female!

Jorgalonia,

The research I've seen claims that sexual preference is a complicated thing, coming down to a mixture of factors, only some of which are genetic. But certainly some people are genetically more likely to be homosexual.

so then its obvious that if a country allows freedom of religion then they cannot enforce laws to ban homosexuality considereing that that is where most of the antihomesexual sentiment is coming from.

ok you want to make it genetic? y do u think they cant have children? so how was the gay born? it cant be genetic other wise he/she wouldnt have been born! becuase u need a male and a female!

please, get a basic understanding of genetics and then come back. it is entirely possible for homosexuality to be a gene.

so then its obvious that if a country allows freedom of religion then they cannot enforce laws to ban homosexuality considereing that that is where most of the antihomesexual sentiment is coming from.

thats one reason.

ok you want to make it genetic? y do u think they cant have children? so how was the gay born? it cant be genetic other wise he/she wouldnt have been born! becuase u need a male and a female!

There are genes that are recessive and dominant. I'm thinking homosexuality is a recessive gene. Think of it like this:
A is heterosexuality. a is homosexuality. A person with Aa sexuality genes would be straight. However, if this person breeded with another Aa person, they would have a 1 in 4 chance of producing a homosexual child. This theory also works with hair color. For example, both of my parents have brown hair, but I have red.

you really should too! after generations of haveing non homo parents the gene would become either extinct or become repressive! Also show me scientific data that proves homo sexuality is genetic!

you really should too! after generations of haveing non homo parents the gene would become either extinct or become repressive! Also show me scientific data that proves homo sexuality is genetic!

its not about it being genetic since that has never been proved. its about adult's rights to engage in private consentual legal acts.

also, about your terrible grasp on genetics, see the post above yours.

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WELL IF YOU ARE GOING TO USE THAT homo sexuality is genetic at least have evidence of it!

its not as simple as a monohybrid cross any way, even if it is gene (which most likely it is not)

Jorg,

That's a step in the right direction. But the research does seem to implie a further degree of complexity - which is that different versions of many different genes are statistically linked to different forms of sexual behaviour, from homosexuality to nympho/satyromania, and whatever mix you get conditions in the womb and in upbringing also appear to play a big role. But part of it definitely seems to be genetic - it's just a little difficult to quantify how big a part.

WELL IF YOU ARE GOING TO USE THAT homo sexuality is genetic at least have evidence of it!

We could use the same logic to disprove all of your points. If homosexuality is wrong in God's eye, then prove God exists. If homosexuality isn't genetic, prove it isn't.

WELL IF YOU ARE GOING TO USE THAT homo sexuality is genetic at least have evidence of it!

I NEVER SAID IT WAS

its is not so much the genes as it is the the surrounding a child is brought in!

polarrland yes others were b4 u though u might wan to try reading!

Vivelo,

We're talking predisposition here, not involuntary and pressurised behaviour. They tried making homosexuality illegal before, and it turned into a complete blackmailer's charter - see an old black and white flick called 'victim' (I think that's the name, anyway).

if you want to get the purely legal part about what two adults do in private, well its not necassarily always in private. some people do not want their children to be exposed to that kind of theing. people are allowed to have their own morals, within the limits of the law.

Jorg,

That's a step in the right direction. But the research does seem to implie a further degree of complexity - which is that different versions of many different genes are statistically linked to different forms of sexual behaviour, from homosexuality to nympho/satyromania, and whatever mix you get conditions in the womb and in upbringing also appear to play a big role. But part of it definitely seems to be genetic - it's just a little difficult to quantify how big a part.

Yes, I believe that there are many different "levels" of homosexuality, where nurture could overcome nature in a sexual preference of a person.

polarrland yes others were b4 u though u might wan to try reading!

please, o wise one show me where i said that.

its is not so much the genes as it is the the surrounding a child is brought in!

what? a homosexual household can be just as moral as a heterosexual household.

READ it says others! man u r slow

regardless of the causes for homosexuality, what is comes down to is whether or not it is right.

Ah, the question of how much we should censor what our children see.

Personally, I think too much sexual stuff being dragged up in front of kids is generally bad - sexual education needs to be done carefully, since it's an easy thing for a person to get messed up about (come on, people - love messes all of us up, right?) But a part of that education should tackle homosexuality, and I don't see that there's any more harm in exposing your kids to homosexuality than heterosexuality.

if you want to get the purely legal part about what two adults do in private, well its not necassarily always in private. some people do not want their children to be exposed to that kind of theing. people are allowed to have their own morals, within the limits of the law.

ok suppose i dont want my child exposed to heterosexual relationships. or i dont want them seeing sugary food, so you've got to throw out you burger. Nobody is forcing you to look at it. you dont like it, dont look.

porrland dude read first in full next think of a revelant response then post it u are unable to do this! what are you a freshman in high school?

READ it says others! man u r slow


perhaps if you learned to type at above a 6th grade level.

regardless of the causes for homosexuality, what is comes down to is whether or not it is right.

You're right, we are getting a bit off topic. However, I think the causes for homosexuality are relevant in trying to explain if it is genetically natural or not.

porrland dude read first in full next think of a revelant response then post it u are unable to do this! what are you a freshman in high school?

what are you talking about?

perhapse if you would learn to read!

perhapse if you would learn to read!


wow, what a comeback.

DLC,

I see no reason to say that it's wrong. Innocent until proven guilty.

what do u think? your answers are not coherant!

o sry did i use to big of a word?

My answers? you cant even spell right or use proper syntax!

Anyways, I'm off too. Have fun, people.

Come on, keep personal arguments out of this. We're not debating whether people's typing skills or grammar are up to scratch.

well at least they make sense! this is stupid i dont need to argue with a 5 yr old! goodbye

Anyways, I'm off too. Have fun, people.

Good bye, I am too. This is becoming boring and pointless.

you can't always control what your kids are exposed to. if the government has strict rules concerning pornagrophy because people have a problem with it, then shouldn't there also be laws about homosexuality. not necassarily ban it, but limit its visibility

Well we wouldnt have to see it if we killed them all. there problem solved!

well at least they make sense! this is stupid i dont need to argue with a 5 yr old! goodbye


wow. all you are capable of doing is saying things like

"its wrng! i dont liek homos they r stupid and evil and they spreed diseese to ppl."

and then shouthing random insults

"hahaha ur so stupid, i cant beleeve you can even type on ur computor! LOLOL!"

and yet you are calling me the stupid one who cant type or read?

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you can't always control what your kids are exposed to. if the government has strict rules concerning pornagrophy because people have a problem with it, then shouldn't there also be laws about homosexuality. not necassarily ban it, but limit its visibility

but not everyone is offended by it. if it really does offend you, take some more initiative and keep track of what your kid sees. dont legislate what others can and cant do because you dislike it.

I say ban indoctrination of children. Look at the shining examples here: It's like performing frontal lobotomies on them.

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not everyone is offended by murder, porn, prostitution or theft either

not everyone is offended by murder, porn, prostitution or theft either

not everyone is offended by murder, porn, prostitution or theft either

well at least they make sense! this is stupid i dont need to argue with a 5 yr old! goodbye


wow. all you are capable of doing is saying things like

"its wrng! i dont liek homos they r stupid and evil and they spreed diseese to ppl."

and then shouthing random insults

"hahaha ur so stupid, i cant beleeve you can even type on ur computor! LOLOL!"

and yet you are calling me the stupid one who cant type or read?

yes i am calling u stupid ya idiot i may not spell as Great as u possibly cause im portugese but at least my arguments make sense dill hole!

stupid homo should be killed choped up and fed to crazy monkeys! an thats that no more queers or we could create a zoo for them call queers are us!

iv got a lovely bunch of cocunut de da le de and there they r a standing in a row... 1 2 3 4. big ones small ones some as big as your head!

well at least they make sense! this is stupid i dont need to argue with a 5 yr old! goodbye


wow. all you are capable of doing is saying things like

"its wrng! i dont liek homos they r stupid and evil and they spreed diseese to ppl."

and then shouthing random insults

"hahaha ur so stupid, i cant beleeve you can even type on ur computor! LOLOL!"

and yet you are calling me the stupid one who cant type or read?

yes i am calling u stupid ya idiot i may not spell as Great as u possibly cause im portugese but at least my arguments make sense dill hole!

[This has been a long while coming by the looks of this thread: Modalert.]

Always with the fanaticism. It's one thing to not like homosexuality, but to try to ban it is a pointless thing to try.

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I am proud to say my government has triumphed against these faggots. We started by simply forcng them to sew big pink triangles on all their clothes so they could be easily identified. The homos were then denied the few rights and freedoms to be granted to normal citizens of my orderly society. They were given an unfair trial for crimes against humanity. Then they were publicly executed in the most gruesome ways. I've had their lungs punctured, hangings, burnings, shootings, drownings in public aquariums, lethal overdoses of hallucinogenic and seizure-inducing drugs, just to name a few. I tell ya, there ain't a fag around in my country and we're better for it. Follow in the footsteps of Excellence.

well this thing is long over due for some lockage...

Riiiiiight.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and big butts!
Letilan moths! Yay!
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You only lock it down because you do not accept the glory that is the answer by the one annointed to rule the Dominion of Xyzzik. Bow down and repent sinner.

Oh goid, is of Portugal up to his moronic misspelled baseless debates again?

Homosexuality does not spread diseases to anyone that isn't a homosexual, and if you are going to ban things because they cause diseases then you should ban the eating of pigs. That is where we get alot of our diseases and you actually spread them to other people involentarily.

And banning homosexuality does not increase population growth, homosexuals aren't just going to decide to not be homosexual anymore now that it's banned, they just wont have sex with women.

And to TGM, are you tired or something, your replies in this thread are not exactly up to par, no offense but I've seen you do better, much better.

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Vivelo,

As it happens on pigs, a big part of their disease impact is as a 'flu reservoir - and that persists in the live animals, so there's precious little you can do to dead pigs to prevent people getting 'flu.

I am proud to say my government has triumphed against these faggots. We started by simply forcng them to sew big pink triangles on all their clothes so they could be easily identified. The homos were then denied the few rights and freedoms to be granted to normal citizens of my orderly society. They were given an unfair trial for crimes against humanity. Then they were publicly executed in the most gruesome ways. I've had their lungs punctured, hangings, burnings, shootings, drownings in public aquariums, lethal overdoses of hallucinogenic and seizure-inducing drugs, just to name a few. I tell ya, there ain't a fag around in my country and we're better for it. Follow in the footsteps of Excellence.

Upon the Supreme Chancellor's review of your statement, he has the following response:

Hmm, funny. We're doing the same things to our uncurable heterosexuals now. We offer some help, but let's face it, these perverts really can't be helped. Excellent footsteps, indeed...perhaps we could discuss such matters of extermination. Care to send some delegates? Each visit includes a compliamentary shower.

Bryce Schmidt, Supreme Chancellor

We permit same-sex marraige and have found that STDs have declined as a result.

We've ended the concept of marriage as a legal institution in my country.

Marriage is a free association of individuals and it needs no state charter. A married person has the same rights and responsiblities as a single person, and vice versa.

why not? you are an animal.

and no its not "just when they are bored" you ignoramus. some animals are decidedly homosexual.

A lot of anthropologists studying chimpanzees have found many of them to have homosexual tendencies. There's been a lot of books out, including Carl Sagan's Shadows of Forgotten Ancestors...

Ok because some book says that monkeys have homosexual tendencies that make sit ok for humans? i dont know about you but i wont bring myself down to the level of an ape!

and like i said if homos act like apes they should be in zoo's

If you ask me, this arguement has become ridiculous! This isn't a debate over whether homosexuality is better or worse than heterosexuality! Half of the posts here seem to support the view that a nation's population must be either entirely heterosexual or entirely homosexual. People have a right to freedom of sexual expression. Two consenting people, whether they be homosexual or heterosexual, should be allowed to do what they want in the privacy of their own homes so long as no one is harmed by it. I just don't see a good reason to ban homosexuality.

Edit: Might I also add that a ban on homosexuality is in violation of several existing UN resolutions; Sexual Freedom, Stop Privacy Intrusion, Gay Rights, and The Universal Bill of Rights.

Ok because some book says that monkeys have homosexual tendencies that make sit ok for humans? i dont know about you but i wont bring myself down to the level of an ape!

You know that psychiatrists usually study chimps before studying humans right? The mental processes of chimps and humans are basically identical.

I have two words. Free. Will.

Free will is more important than right to bear arms, right to an education or even freedom of speech. The right to let good wholesome citizens to think and do what they want, as long it is within the bounds of law, is an essential one. If we force law-abiding citizens to change the way they think, are we any better than Big Brother or Stalin?

It is the postion of Comrade Ernest that as long as the act is consenual, there is no problem. Homosexuality should not be banned.

Comrade Ernest also sends word that he is ashamed of the nation of Kaglar.

UN Ambassador Ethan Dier
Representative For The United Socialist States Of Ernestgrad.

On page 14 of the UN proposal there is a new one to ban homosexuality. All states which believe in natural law and decency are urged to support it in the fact of a socialist/liberal onslaught on family life!!

Support the proposal to bring back family values and re-assert hetrosexuality as the mainstay of a healthy country ONCE AND FOR ALL!

The Great Nation of Putergeeks stands firmly against this proposal.

The Great Nation of Putergeeks stands firmly against this proposal.

We also stand opposed to the resolution.

The King of Metternic also stands behind the principles expressed by Mars Sara, and is also ashamed of Kaglar.

We will back this proposal.

Leftist airy fairy fundaloonies should NOT be allowed to take over the world! Hypocritical, suicidal, moronic, idiotic tree huggers!

We should get it in quorum so the wider UN can actually vote on the proposal once and for all, and settle all the squabbling.

Let it be known that our country will strongly oppose this proposal if it somehow actually becomes a votable issue. If, by some horrible predicament, this proposal actually passed, our country would be ashamed of the UN and the direction it would have had to have unfortunately changed to.

Let it be known that our country will strongly oppose this proposal if it somehow actually becomes a votable issue. If, by some horrible predicament, this proposal actually passed, our country would be ashamed of the UN and the direction it would have had to have unfortunately changed to.

If there is such wide opposition, as it appears, I suggest endorsing the resolution, then voting against it when it comes to the General Assembly so the debate can be ended.

Let it be known that our country will strongly oppose this proposal if it somehow actually becomes a votable issue. If, by some horrible predicament, this proposal actually passed, our country would be ashamed of the UN and the direction it would have had to have unfortunately changed to.

If there is such wide opposition, as it appears, I suggest endorsing the resolution, then voting against it when it comes to the General Assembly so the debate can be ended.

Too bad there have already been two resolutions passed supporting homosexual rights, so the debate was over a looong time ago.

regardless of the causes for homosexuality, what is comes down to is whether or not it is right.

And since you are asserting that it is wrong, the burden of proof is upon you to show it is wrong. Don't give us any of that tripe about "subjectivist morality", don't give us any of that dogmatic tripe from any religion. Show us empirically that homosexuality is wrong. If you cannot analyse the relationships between the action and any corporeal consequences, then you shouldn't be arguing morality and ethics.

you can't always control what your kids are exposed to. if the government has strict rules concerning pornagrophy because people have a problem with it, then shouldn't there also be laws about homosexuality. not necassarily ban it, but limit its visibility

There is no right to "not be inconvenienced" nor is there any right to "not be offended". If you start censoring ("limiting visibility" is only a thinly veiled euphemism) homosexual's freedom of expression you debase the entire concept of that freedom. If you do not want your children growing up thinking that something is correct, then the onus is upon you to raise them the way you see fit. It is not our responsibility to shelter yourself, nor your children.

A similar proposal, would be banning the visibility of Christians, not just in government funded buildings (which shouldn't bias one way or the other against the freedom of association of anyone on any grounds), but everywhere. Church spires are eyesores, and they bring down the value of property. Where as, homosexuals (tend to) bring up the property value.

This argument wouldn't fly with anyone. Not even the staunchest (intelligent and rational) athiest would accept it. Neither would anyone support your "limiting the visibility" (coughcensoringcough) of homosexual freedom of expression.

not everyone is offended by murder, porn, prostitution or theft either

Again, there is no right to be free from offense. And murder and theft are illegal because they use the initiation of force to remove something from anothers possession. Furthermore, in the case of murder, it is illegal because of the underlying consequences of murder. Foremost the removal of a persons most sacred possession (their life), but more subtlely, it robs society of potential labour and advance. It robs the government of tax income, it robs indirectly of even more tax income (cost of keeping murder alive, and cost of killing the murderer).

So, murder and theft are rightly illegal because they unduly remove something from the rightful owner. Whereas, you cannot argue logically that anyones being homosexual reduces your ownership of anything, nor do they forcefully abscond anything from you.

Press Release from the United Socialist States of Kholodsk:

The USSK opposes, both formally and morally, this resolution. Homosexuality, while repugnant to some individuals, poses no danger to the rights of the people and the continuance of society. The USSK has always supported the rights of all people, regardless of nationality, race, color, religion, creed, gender, sex, sexual preference, literacy, or mental capacity. The USSK recognizes the value of discussing all issues before making a final decision, and that is surely the purpose of this resolution. However, to act in favor of this resolution would be a gross violation of the human right to choose their own lifestyle while providing no benefit and in fact hindering the development of society.

Signed,
For the people of the United Socialist States of Kholodsk,
General Secretary Nikolai Famich Myasnikov

This is complete and utter madness. A person's sexuality is their own business. Why stop a homosexual couple from being together. As pointed out earlier, you might just as well ban heterosexuals. I, Lord High Asbanun Sydd Niccyg, ruler of Amarius, am strongly against this.

"If there is such wide opposition, as it appears, I suggest endorsing the resolution, then voting against it when it comes to the General Assembly so the debate can be ended."

bad idea anything that gets proposed automaticaly wins wether its sensible or not.

(well thats what ive seen anyway)

Why should we ban straights? We need to have hot hot guy-on-girl SEX to keep the species going. We don't need fags. I don't wanna hear any of that BS about scientists almost figuring out how to place a womb in a guy's body because that is just wrong and should never have been a topic in the first place, now all nations supporting faggots' rights should take a tip from Kaglar and me. We got the right idea. kill off the faggot gene. Publicly execute them so they may atone for the sin of lust, or shove them in zoos so that they can be mocked and more importantly kept separate from society. It's like Hitler burning the heretical Jews, and the lustful faggots, and the greedy, cheating, stealing, gypsies. Or the Fourth Crusade to avenge the Jews for their murder of a false messiah. Or torturing political prisoners like Saddam did, because they commited the more venial sin of speaking badly of his government. All perfectly normal, lawful, unextreme, acceptable, methods of cultural purification.

I will deport any homosexuals from my nation to that Gay region place. The gay gene, according to some scientific evidence, is passed down, so if we prevent them from intercourse, homosexuality will quickly die out.

ooc: why is it that every few weeks there is an anti gay post?

ic: we will not only vote against this, but will support any millitary action securing the rights of homosexuals every where. if this does go through, wich it won't, but if it does, we will withdraw our status in the un.

you do not go to a catholic school dude if thats what they believe read Romans 1 and you will understand!
taken out of context

I will deport any homosexuals from my nation to that Gay region place. The gay gene, according to some scientific evidence, is passed down, so if we prevent them from intercourse, homosexuality will quickly die out.

as much as i want to get off of this thread, i keep coming back and getting even more astounded by the de-evolution of people. but i got a good point, "how the F-UCK can a gay gene be passed down by some one who doesn't reproduce??!!!! wtf? preventing them from intercouse will only encourage it more!! and you will note that condom sales and lube sales in your nation will plumit!!! nations like you really need a big wave to come from the ocean and wipe you out. the sooner the better.
there are some great arguments here, but most of the against are either stupid rednecks, or god quotes.
i got one for you to find.
since they seem to be mostly christain, find me an exact quote where god specificly mentions homosexuality as being wrong. hell see if jesus even mentioned it!!! or check the 10 commandments. you will never find one in any real bible. and homosexuality wasn't even a word untill recent times.
i say go ahead, ban it. what will happen to your arts? your society? fashion? culterail diversity? don't like homosexuals? well don't use any thing they have ever invented, or created. as much as i would love to see you research what we invented, i'll give you one: philosophy.
(ok, it was probly invented by a hetero, but most of the greek philosphers were gay) yeah, philosphy is that thing that you incorperate in your daily life and don't know about it.
ok, i am done with this, but before i go...
official syncomp15 press release to Albionica and of portugal
"these back ward nations will now be referd to as 'primitive screw heads.'"
have a nice day

Well, at the root of this is just one question: if you were a homosexual, what rights would you want? :?:

Well, at the root of this is just one question: if you were a homosexual, what rights would you want? :?:

well to be treated like a normal person for starters. marrige. and to not have to deal with "primitive screw heads"
thats all really. the ability to not pay taxes would be nice, but i can make a few sacrafices.

See, I'm agnostic, and straight. And I definately do not have problem with homosexuality. I can understnd why some do, and thats there opinion, but still...

is Isochronous anyways? Who the hell does he think he is, cause he's definately short a couple bricks with that last comment.

most posts are questionable. like atleast 40% of posts are comeplet randome acts of stuipidity in all threads

what's the big deal about rights? They are over rated. Being free doesn't make you happy. It just means that all your unhappiness is your own fault. I say ban rights outright! And ban sex for that matter!

what's the big deal about rights? They are over rated. Being free doesn't make you happy. It just means that all your unhappiness is your own fault. I say ban rights outright! And ban sex for that matter!

what's the big deal about rights? take awalk out side. see the police officer with the gun? yeah the one asking for your papers to see if you have govt permission to go out? no? thats the big deal.

damm my urge to prove christians wrong....
ok, attention "christian" homophobes, or as you are known, "primitive screwheads": doesn't jesus, (you know, the guy your religion is bassed off of) teach love and acceptance? peace and love? stop me if i got the wrong religious figure. you know, the guy who saved mary magdiline (can't spell) the whore. even though christianity strictly and explicitly out laws it? and the same guy who said something along the lines of "instead of pointing a finger, extend a hand."? the same guy who died for our sins?
wow, if christianity is such a loving and accepting religion, i think you primitive screw heads are in the wrong religion. i would like to tell you of a religion that has nothing to do with love and acceptance, but i can't think of any. hell, (no pun intended), even satanists are loving and accepting people. (*note, there are a few screw heads in the satanic religon that are the sterotypical "devil" worshipering type. but true lavayists sound like better christains then those here that call them selves christians and show absolutly no regaurd for their fellow man.)
shame on you. "judge not, yet ye be judged"
i won't site that one, i think the primitive screw heads should know that one.

Fooking hompophobe :x

Syncomp15, your argument is not viable. A limitation on the value of rights does not always have to end up in pushy police officers. In fact it is illogical to think that police get more pushy if governments look less at individual right and more at say happiness. The fact is that people do not want to be completely free when they think about it. People with religion want to belong to their God/gods, people outside of religion want to belong to someone else (a partner) or to their jobs. Rights have no intrinsic value because a right to one thing can always be offset by another right. For example, the right to free speech encroahes the right for people not to listen to somebody else, the right to own a gun encroaches other people's right to live in a gun-less society, the right to child sex encroaches the right to keep a child innocent. What is a right? What makes one right better than the other? Since we can not value our rights, I don't think we can say rights exist.

damm my urge to prove christians wrong....
ok, attention "christian" homophobes, or as you are known, "primitive screwheads": doesn't jesus, (you know, the guy your religion is bassed off of) teach love and acceptance? peace and love? stop me if i got the wrong religious figure. you know, the guy who saved mary magdiline (can't spell) the whore. even though christianity strictly and explicitly out laws it? and the same guy who said something along the lines of "instead of pointing a finger, extend a hand."? the same guy who died for our sins?
wow, if christianity is such a loving and accepting religion, i think you primitive screw heads are in the wrong religion. i would like to tell you of a religion that has nothing to do with love and acceptance, but i can't think of any. hell, (no pun intended), even satanists are loving and accepting people. (*note, there are a few screw heads in the satanic religon that are the sterotypical "devil" worshipering type. but true lavayists sound like better christains then those here that call them selves christians and show absolutly no regaurd for their fellow man.)
shame on you. "judge not, yet ye be judged"
i won't site that one, i think the primitive screw heads should know that one.

As a disciple of Jesus Christ (Christian), this is what the Jesus tells me through scripture. Have love and compassion for everyone, but hate what is evil. Scripture says that homosexuality is an "abomanation" to God. But that still doesn't negate the fact that God loves ALL of us. Mary Magdelene was a whore (prostitute), but she gave up that "LIFESTYLE" to follow Jesus. Just as anyone who is actively a whore, liar, thief, adulter, homosexual, and even anyone who engages in other sexual activities, Christ makes it clear that these people will not inherit His kingdom. In other words, hell will be theirs for eternity. As a disciple of Jesus Christ, I don't hate the person, but just the evil that is done. For if I hate the person, then I must hate myself as well. For even though I do not engage in the above mentioned sinful acts, as a "christian", there are other sinful acts that can cause me to reside in hell, such as, judging other people, being self-righteous, lust of the heart, and other things. Just as someone reached out to me, and told me and taught me through the word of God (Bible), and did not judge me for who I was at the time (a lying, violent, sexually active, selfish person), that is what Christ has commanded me to do. Reach out to those who are lost and hurting, without judging them. But to say that satanist "lavayists" are better christians than christians is absurd. There are some people who call themselves christians, but at heart, they are not. They leave the bad taste in the mouth of some people who have sought out Christ. But, if you do not read your Bible, and only rely on what you hear from other people, then you are bound to be mislead. For the Bible even tells us that there are "wolves in sheeps clothing". And for yourself, why not pray and ask God to lead you to the right place and the right person(s) (church). I know for a fact that He will do just that. You have EVERYTHING to gain if you do, and EVERYTHING to lose if you don't.

I do not believe that Homosexuality is genetic or normal. But I believe that it is not up to the UN, or a country's government to "KEEL ALL DA FAGZ0r!!1!!!11shift+one!1!"
If people wish to have such a relationship, it is up to them to live with their decisions.

Also, anyone who uses terms such as "Screw Heads", "Dill Holes" and other such derrogitory remarks obviously is below the mental capacity to have a civilized debate. The Empire of Quasi-Misanthropy will firmly oppose this resolution, even though our Government is decidedly pro-heterosexual

I would just like to say ive read a lot of posts in this forum and i find it amusing that so many of the people that are defending homosexuality are trying to make it clear that they are not gay. As if someone is gonna get the wrong idea about you in this game. Thats right its a game.
And by the way i do not agree with homosexuality for a number of reasons that i just dont feel like going into and u cant make me. But reguardless they have as much right to be queer as i do to be straight. I will say this to any queer men out there, ive done chicks in the dumper and the honey hole feels a lot better trust me.

Oh by the way im really really really not gay honest.

This is unfair to those who can't help being homosexual :cry: . The Adiemu belief is homosexuality is here to prevent overpopulation, it may seem dirty, sick and un-natural but it's here. Who are we to judge a human's love for another? verily I suggest this proposal of banning will cause dire consequences.

If this resolution passes, The Most Serene Republic of Creez may be forced to leave the UN.

The Protectorate of Romsylvania strongly opposes this bigoted and oppressive resolution. The government does not belong in anyone's bedroom.

The nation of Hakartopia has a great way to deal with idiot homophobes. We put them in asylums that are open to the public.
5 foxyfluffs entry fee, unless you can prove you are gay. 8)

Unfortunately the homophobes are so stupid and phobic they constantly kill each other over the silliest things, so can we please import them from some other country?

ok i have read all the points people made since my last post. first, the police thing: lack of rights don't cause the cops to become pushy. it will be their job to enforce things the gov tells them to. and they will use what ever means they can. (communist russia for example)
secound, homosexuality isn't a choice. like how a heart beats, you can't controle it. it just happens.
third, i use the word primitive screw head to lower myself to the homophob's level. maybe they will respond to a language they under stand.
lastly: if you are going to use the bible as a referance, please site an exact quote where god or jesus say that it is a sin. but before you do, look at the text surounding it, cuz it is easy to take the bible out of context. if i tryed hard enough i could find examples in it where it specificly says it's ok to have more then one wife, beat your children, and other things along that vein.

ok i have read all the points people made since my last post. first, the police thing: lack of rights don't cause the cops to become pushy. it will be their job to enforce things the gov tells them to. and they will use what ever means they can. (communist russia for example)
secound, homosexuality isn't a choice. like how a heart beats, you can't controle it. it just happens.
third, i use the word primitive screw head to lower myself to the homophob's level. maybe they will respond to a language they under stand.
lastly: if you are going to use the bible as a referance, please site an exact quote where god or jesus say that it is a sin. but before you do, look at the text surounding it, cuz it is easy to take the bible out of context. if i tryed hard enough i could find examples in it where it specificly says it's ok to have more then one wife, beat your children, and other things along that vein.

Could you please tell me when homosexuality is not a choice

As for the bible going against homosexuality...


well according to the bible i shall not plant 2 different crops in the same field... Lev. 19:19

i also can't approach the alter of god due to vision impairments lev 21:20

i know people who work on the sabbath... exodus 35:2 states we should kill them, so we should pass a proposal through the UN both choosing a set day for the sabbath and also killing those who decide to do work, such work may include, the act of lifting a phone, walking, running, eating, cooking, and many others.

We should also ban the eating of shellfish lev. 11:10

Now i must admit i wear shirts with two different types of thread my runing shorts for example have spandex in them, but this is expressly forbidden by lev. 19:19 why doesn't the UN step in and stop this? Polyester/Cotton blends must be stopped!

Now isn't it a tad odd that you can choose to pick and choose what does and does not apply in the bible so it fits your arguement and personal inhibitions? I have yet to see a proposal to stop the blasphemous polyester/cotton blends from incurring gods wrath. Or preventing the creation of grass seed blends to give your lawn added durability.

have you read romans 1:26-27 "26 For this cause God delivered them up to shameful affections. For thier woman have changed the natural use into that use which is against nature. 27 and, in like manner, the men also, leaving the natural use of the women, have burned their lusts one towards another, men with men working that wihich is filthy, and recieveing in themselves the recompense that was due to their error." i do not like invovleing the bible in arguments becuase most people donot use this but because you twisted the bible i had to show the truth =).

i didn't twist the bible i quoted it

"Neither shall a garment of mingled linen and woolen come upon thee"
- Leviticus 19:19

Now I'm simply asking why no one is crusading against the polyester cotton blends.

i didn't twist the bible i quoted it

"Neither shall a garment of mingled linen and woolen come upon thee"
- Leviticus 19:19

Now I'm simply asking why no one is crusading against the polyester cotton blends.

I agree. The bible says some crazy stuff. You'd have to be an idiot to take it literally. I especially like this:

"Whoever comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and even life itself, cannot be my disciple."
--Luke 14:26 (this is Jesus speaking)

i didn't twist the bible i quoted it

"Neither shall a garment of mingled linen and woolen come upon thee"
- Leviticus 19:19

Now I'm simply asking why no one is crusading against the polyester cotton blends.

I agree. The bible says some crazy stuff. You'd have to be an idiot to take it literally. I especially like this:

"Whoever comes to me and does not hate father and mother, wife and children, brothers and sisters, yes, and even life itself, cannot be my disciple."
--Luke 14:26 (this is Jesus speaking)

Gotta want redemption, before you can seek the one who delivers.

in leviticus 19:19 this is speaking of the laws of old. these laws came when Jesus Christ came and crated his new law. these laws were also more ceremonial. and in luke 14:26 this is saying that we must be willing to renounce everything and be able to part with everything so we may be his disciple.

what noo responses??

No fags for us!

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I believe I speak for my whole region when I say that this proposal is a travesty. It is a direct violation of basic human rights. It is based in the false "morals" dispensed by the crazy religious right.


Sincerely,
The President of Nonsimplestan
UN Delegate For the Region of Gay (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/index.cgi/page=display_region/region=gay)

Africa hasn't the time to worry about what people do to orgasim. We feel the world is better off if everyone gets some atleast once a week so they aren't so uptight(that's kinda a joke). Until my nation gains complete control of heaven or hell we have only the stance of 'If they wanna let em'

Eric Jackson the Sovereign Executor of The United People of Jacksonian Africa

And as for you people quoting the bible in a feeble attempt to bash gays, I'd just like to present a few of the wonderful passages from the bible:

"Happy shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!"
- Psalms 137:9

"It is an abomination to trim the hair on one's temples or to trim one's beard."
- Leviticus 19:28

"If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives."
- Deuteronomy 22:28

"Behold, I will corrupt your seed and spread dung upon your faces..."
- Malachi 2:3

"For the wife does not rule over her own body, but the husband does..."
- 1 Corinthians 7:4

"Likewise, you wives, be submissive to your husbands..."
- 1 Peter 3:1

fags go to hell. fags go to hell, thats where they belong in HELL

ya know, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything. every one is entitled to their own opinions, but isn't there like some kind of rule about posting offensive stuff? i mean, if you don't like hoomosexuals atleast post it in a civil way. kinda like of portugual, at least he trys to make a point. besides, why hate gays? most guys take it as acomplement when a guy checks him out. a gay guy is one less person your girlfriend will cheat on you with. so, in the mean time, learn some maners, you primitive screw head.

I will deport any homosexuals from my nation to that Gay region place. The gay gene, according to some scientific evidence, is passed down, so if we prevent them from intercourse, homosexuality will quickly die out.

as much as i want to get off of this thread, i keep coming back and getting even more astounded by the de-evolution of people. but i got a good point, "how the F-UCK can a gay gene be passed down by some one who doesn't reproduce??!!!! wtf? preventing them from intercouse will only encourage it more!! and you will note that condom sales and lube sales in your nation will plumit!!! nations like you really need a big wave to come from the ocean and wipe you out. the sooner the better.
there are some great arguments here, but most of the against are either stupid rednecks, or god quotes.
i got one for you to find.
since they seem to be mostly christain, find me an exact quote where god specificly mentions homosexuality as being wrong. hell see if jesus even mentioned it!!! or check the 10 commandments. you will never find one in any real bible. and homosexuality wasn't even a word untill recent times.
i say go ahead, ban it. what will happen to your arts? your society? fashion? culterail diversity? don't like homosexuals? well don't use any thing they have ever invented, or created. as much as i would love to see you research what we invented, i'll give you one: philosophy.
(ok, it was probly invented by a hetero, but most of the greek philosphers were gay) yeah, philosphy is that thing that you incorperate in your daily life and don't know about it.
ok, i am done with this, but before i go...
official syncomp15 press release to Albionica and of portugal
"these back ward nations will now be referd to as 'primitive screw heads.'"
have a nice day

Think about it. Lefites and the PC have only emerged late last century and accepted gays. Before then, most men would have had wives as well, and forced to be hetero. So the gene passes down....

and no acceptance of homo sexuals is not main stream only the high ranking people in society do this because of law suits and not "excepting" everyone. Homosexulaity is looked down upon.

Of course, that's why television programs based around homosexual characters/groups/lifestyles are becoming both more numerous and popular. Your assertions, little nation, are like the buzzing of a small, forgettable fly. Clearly you have no idea of what you speak, and merit no further attention.

Dr. Fred Mallory, Tsar of the Dominion
We are Anbar.

Think about it. Lefites and the PC have only emerged late last century and accepted gays. Before then, most men would have had wives as well, and forced to be hetero. So the gene passes down....

So homosexuality just sprung up in the last century? Are you hoping the rest of us are too hopelessly stupid to know that homosexual practices were common in classical times, millenia ago? Everyone is on the sliding scale, that is how it's always been. Offspring polarize at one end, beget midrange offspring, and variations continue. Life does not exist in a dichotomy.

If the United Nations banned homosexuality, then the homos would have to go to non- UN countries, which would be the bigggest brain drain we've ever seen! Everyone knows that homosexuals are more intelligent on average than straight people, so that means UN countries will flounder as they will not have anyone to style their hair, design their clothes, compose their music, write good literature and lead their religious services!

Oh by the way, if homosexuality were to be banned would that mean the banning of all homosexual activites. That is crazy! That means men and women won't be able to "practice" with their friends before they go on dates! That means men won't be able to go the ballet! That means men can no longer wear three quarterlength trousers! That means women can no longer listen to Melissa Ethridge and the Indigo Girls! That means women can't cup their friends breast to find out what bra size they need! That means women can't play sports! That means men can't play sports because we all know that sports is just a way of releasing homosexual tension so that they can hug and touch their same sex friends after scoring without being persecuted not to mention so that they can shower together after a game when they are all hot and sweaty.

like i said these polls are not among everyone in the us it is usally to the more upper class people in society! homo's are looked down upon in our society!

The "more upper class people" you speak about are those with phone lines, in most cases... by random digit dialing, so cell users and unlisted numbers get surveyed too. (This is going by Statistics Canada phone survey methods, which I would think are generally consistent with large-scale surveys in other places. We at the Statistics Bureau of Rocky Open Sea follow their methods quite closely.)

The social right may be loud (bloody loud!), but it's not as numerous as Falwell, Phelps, Ashcroft et al. would have us believe. And we in the ROS reject imperialist notions of universal social mores. We will be supporting the UN humour rights resolution, and have decided to file your proposal under "unwitting unsuccessful absurdism". See you in the council chambers!

if you are going to use the bible as a referance, please site an exact quote where god or jesus say that it is a sin. but before you do, look at the text surounding it, cuz it is easy to take the bible out of context. if i tryed hard enough i could find examples in it where it specificly says it's ok to have more then one wife, beat your children, and other things along that vein.

Jesus being the Word of God, God, and God in the flesh. Since the Bible is the Word of God, then the entire Bible is God Himself talking to us.
"John 1:1-2"
"John 1:14"
"2Timothy 3:16-17"

God only wants man to have one wife. Not wives. Man decided he couldn't sleep with just one, not God.
"Genesis 2:23-24"

God does want us to discipline our children for their own sake. But man's evil ways have some people abusing children.
"Proverbs 23:13"
"Proverbs 29:15"
"Proverbs 29:17"

As for those who will not inherit the kingdom of God.
"1 Corinthians 6:9-10"

Why a true Christian tries not to judge other people, but tries to show them the love of God.
"1 Corinthians 6:11"
"Matthew 28:18-20"

I just referenced the scripture instead of putting the entire scripture. Cause as you have said, look at the text surounding it, cuz it is easy to take the bible out of context. Unless you read the Bible yourself, you will not understand what God has to say.

And as for you people quoting the bible in a feeble attempt to bash gays, I'd just like to present a few of the wonderful passages from the bible:

"Happy shall he be who takes your little ones and dashes them against the rock!"
- Psalms 137:9

"It is an abomination to trim the hair on one's temples or to trim one's beard."
- Leviticus 19:28

"If a man happens to meet a virgin who is not pledged to be married and rapes her and they are discovered, he shall pay the girl's father fifty shekels of silver. He must marry the girl, for he has violated her. He can never divorce her as long as he lives."
- Deuteronomy 22:28

"Behold, I will corrupt your seed and spread dung upon your faces..."
- Malachi 2:3

"For the wife does not rule over her own body, but the husband does..."
- 1 Corinthians 7:4

"Likewise, you wives, be submissive to your husbands..."
- 1 Peter 3:1

Your random quotes from the Bible do not tell you why they are there. Example:

"Engage"
"Number One in my ready room."
"I'm givin ya all shes got captain."

Those are quotes from StarTrek. But since you don't know why they were said, they don't make any sense. And like most people, who try to show that the Bible promotes violence, and strange customs, you quoted, all except two passages, from the Old Testament. The Old Testament is how God used the Jews to set the world up for the coming of Jesus Christ. To show the world, no matter how much God shows us love, protects us, causes us to prosper, blesses us, we are still unwilling to submit to Him totally, and live according to His will. Even as Christians, we sin daily. It only takes one wayward thought. Now try to grasp this. Jesus NEVER sinned. Not in action, inaction, words, thoughts, or in His heart. But, He died for the sins of the entire world, just so we could have a chance to live in peace, never wanting or needing anything, for ETERNITY. No one deserves it. His life was a gift to us, from God Himself.

ooc: why is it that every few weeks there is an anti gay post?

ic: we will not only vote against this, but will support any millitary action securing the rights of homosexuals every where. if this does go through, wich it won't, but if it does, we will withdraw our status in the un.

The ROS navy will be there shelling the coast of any nation foolish enough to enact anti-gay legislation. We don't want an influx of gay refugees (or any refugees for that matter -- we have just enough trout as it is), if there's not enough room for gays and straights in some fundamentalist dystopia we'll make room for the gays by making a government-sized hole in it. Any nation wishing to start a coalition of the willing, and maybe tow our rowboat with the Nerf catapult in it into position, let us know where the party is!

We totally agree with your stance on banning the sickening and disgusting practice of homosexuality. Our goverment has wired our delegation and we will support the proposal. Further more, under the threat of armed conflict no nation shall impose sanction on any nation that supports such a resolution.

[quote="Rocky Open Sea"][quote="Syncomp15"]ooc: why is it that every few weeks there is an anti gay post?

The ROS navy will be there shelling the coast of any nation foolish enough to enact anti-gay legislation.


If the ROS navy is foolish enough to shell our coast, we will bring a holocaust of unimaginable proportion to their nation. If a naval engagment is what they want-we will sink any ship that comes within thirty miles of our coast.

The nation of Millsocrates believes firmly in the rights of the individual to lead their own life and to make their own decisions. One's choice to participate in homosexual activity with another consenting person in no way infringes upon the rights of others. This, ultimately, is the litmus test for outlawing anything; if by doing something, one prevents others from exercising their natural rights, then the action in question should be outlawed; however, if it does not prevent others from exercising their rights, it should not be outlawed. Having others conform to your values is not a natural right of any human, and any attempt to treat it as such will be regarded with the full scorn and disgust of Millsocrates.

We understand your stance, but no one is going to threaten my nation with military force because have enacted legistlation banning homosexuality. If they so choose to, we will bring the world into a nuclear holocaust.

The proposal to ban homosexuality is once again imposing on the individual freedoms of a nation!!! The UN is supposed to protect the freedoms of all nations, not limit them to what certain nations feel the rest of the world should be like. Proposals like these should be banned!

Rockinia is right. These issues are non of the U.N.'s business. We have to draw a line between the rights of sovereign states and those of the international body!

We understand your stance, but no one is going to threaten my nation with military force because have enacted legistlation banning homosexuality. If they so choose to, we will bring the world into a nuclear holocaust.

not to sound like a jerk dude, but you need nukes first. not a lot of nations will sell to nations under three real months old. there are a few that do though. but no nation should have to war over this. instead of attempting to pass this on a worlds wide scale, nations who don't like homosexuals should just make national decres concerning homosexuality. i will accept any homosexual refugees from any nation who wishes to exile them

We'll take your homosexuals! We need the extra brain power. Not to mention homosexuals make better parents!

Ziliarn will also take any refugees. Sexuality just doesn't matter.

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ooc: why is it that every few weeks there is an anti gay post?

ic: we will not only vote against this, but will support any millitary action securing the rights of homosexuals every where. if this does go through, wich it won't, but if it does, we will withdraw our status in the un.

The ROS navy will be there shelling the coast of any nation foolish enough to enact anti-gay legislation. We don't want an influx of gay refugees (or any refugees for that matter -- we have just enough trout as it is), if there's not enough room for gays and straights in some fundamentalist dystopia we'll make room for the gays by making a government-sized hole in it. Any nation wishing to start a coalition of the willing, and maybe tow our rowboat with the Nerf catapult in it into position, let us know where the party is!

We'd be more than happy to turn such nations into a crater on your behalf. But, we would not want to vapoize any of the persecuted, so the nation must be unrepententedly exterminating their homosexuals.

i am completely against homosexuality! "tolerance" is just a device used to force people into believeing what they should'nt!

i am completely against homosexuality! "tolerance" is just a device used to force people into believeing what they should'nt!

How is it forcing you to believe something you don't want to if two consenting adults have sex?

NO it is forceing us to accept everyone even if those people are scandelizing our children and going against what is known as right.

NO it is forceing us to accept everyone even if those people are scandelizing our children and going against what is known as right.

So in other words... tolerance means just what it says.

NO it is forceing us to accept everyone even if those people are scandelizing our children and going against what is known as right.

You're out of your mind...What gives you the right to tell someone who you probally don't know that they can't love who the want to? Also how are they "scandelizing" our children? It's been found that gay perents raise better children then straight ones. I'm not gay in any way but what I'm trying to say is that you can't hate someone becuase you think their choice of who they love is wrong. Also how do you know what is know as right? Let me guess God says so?

thats a load a bull gay children ratio have a larger percentila of sucides than of normal marriages. and why are you bringing love into this this has nothing to do with love. And gay marriages is against what is natural. humans "evolved" or what ever with two distinct sexes for a reason.

thats a load a bull gay children ratio have a larger percentila of sucides than of normal marriages. and why are you bringing love into this this has nothing to do with love. And gay marriages is against what is natural. humans "evolved" or what ever with two distinct sexes for a reason.

well
being gay is just a thing that is like having blue eyes
you cant help it
and even in my evil nation "Robert Manuel" i am hoping for the issue to pop up
and
if dont like gays you can go have sex with a fat pig with make-up


P.S.
im not gay myself
just very open minded

On page 14 of the UN proposal there is a new one to ban homosexuality. All states which believe in natural law and decency are urged to support it in the fact of a socialist/liberal onslaught on family life!!

Support the proposal to bring back family values and re-assert hetrosexuality as the mainstay of a healthy country ONCE AND FOR ALL!

There should be a Proposal to ban homophobia...

how can you not help it please explain.

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we should send homos to their own special territory so they can live how they want without bothering others

sure thing portugal... but only if we can send you chumps to your own special territory too...

We totally agree with your stance on banning the sickening and disgusting practice of homosexuality. Our goverment has wired our delegation and we will support the proposal. Further more, under the threat of armed conflict no nation shall impose sanction on any nation that supports such a resolution.

I impose santctions on you.

I'm expecting a cowardly reply any second now...

we should send homos to their own special territory so they can live how they want without bothering others

You're bothering me much more than any homosexual ever has, it only seems logical that you are suggesting we send you to a special territory too.

thats a load a bull gay children ratio have a larger percentila of sucides than of normal marriages. and why are you bringing love into this this has nothing to do with love. And gay marriages is against what is natural. humans "evolved" or what ever with two distinct sexes for a reason.

That's...intensely stupid. First off, are those suicides from kids with gay parents, or those who are just gay? I smell someone who doesn't know statistics. Do cite your sources, if you have them (I won't hold my breath). Homosexuals have higher rates of suicide because of prejudiced people like you.

Homosexuality has nothing to do with love? I suppose it's all about horribly depraved, sinful sex, huh? And don't bring evolution into this, that point was flayed and hung out to dry a long time ago. It's only worth acknowledging to shut up the ignorant.

We would have to secularize all our nations as well to truly ban homosexuality, because we'd still have homosexual sex as long as the Catholic Church is within our borders, so we'd best start with banning Catholicism if we're going to get anywhere with making barbarous and inhuman laws.

This bill has the same number of approvals as there are brain cells in the person who drafted in.

About homosexuals not being natural because humans are evolved to mate with the opposite sex is not really true. We see homosexual activity in most mammals. Of course, scientists believe that these activity are a sort of play for adolescent mammals to prepare them for adult hetero-sex.
Homosexuality would not exist if it did not evolve, because all behaviour is evolved. Scientific fact that is.
Perhaps homosexuality is a different adaptive strategy. Perhaps gay men (who tend to be more successful at their line of work) evolve a non-dependent lifestyle that women ultimately find attractive. Women become close to gay men, and when they get stoned or drunk on some random occassion, the two have sex and the gay man has offspring.
As for lesbians, it's a universal truth that lesbianism is sexy. The moment a woman steps away from lesbians, several men will be waiting to leap into her bed. Besides, now a day women don't even need men to reproduce. They can just go to sperm banks, meaning that heterosex is no longer needed for the woman to produce offspring. And why would a woman stay with a man as opposed to a woman, when men are more like spouse abuser, rapists and serial killers?
Another possible way homosexuality may work is kin selection. PErhaps gay people become successful on their business so that they can spend money on relatives. Afterall, a sibling is just as related to you as a child so it may be a successful strategy to use your sibling to keep the gene line going while earning lots of money and happiness for yourself without the worry of raising a family.