NationStates Jolt Archive

I see that my proposal has made wuite an impact in the UN. For this I am happy. Nations will finally realize that they need to stop polluting my nation and all neighboring nations in the UN!

if you are against this issue read my proposal i submitted called: Stop Invasive Resolutions

delegates please support my proposal

The Coral Reefs are near death without our cleanup efforts. "Assessments made in late 2000 show that 27% of the world's reefs have been effectively lost, with the largest single cause being the massive climate-related coral bleaching event of 1998. This destroyed about 16% of the coral reefs of the world in 9 months during the largest El Niño and La Niña climate events ever recorded".

What a crock, all a nation would have to do is drop out of the UN and then dump all they want. So, what purpose does this serve?

My guess is it would therefore only keep the nations that really use the UN in the UN. I guess it has a two fold purpose! One, stop people from dumping near my beaches; and two, keep only the serious members of the UN in the UN! :)

My guess is it would therefore only keep the nations that really use the UN in the UN. I guess it has a two fold purpose! One, stop people from dumping near my beaches; and two, keep only the serious members of the UN in the UN! :)

:roll: oh right....your clean beaches :roll:

and as to 'serious members of the UN' ??

take a look at your record, listed in your description; a clean environment is not on the top of YOUR list, so as to being 'serious' about this, why not clean your own state before taking it to the UN

according to Whoway's nation description:

"areas such as Healthcare and the Environment receiving almost no funds"

"there is a slick and highly efficient black market in Uranium Mining"

"Whoway's national animal is the Koo Koo fly, which is also the nation's favorite main course"

"Whoway is ranked 39th in the region and 76,300th in the world for Most Eco-Friendly Governments"

So want to talk 'serious UN members'? You put forward this vague proposal and yet you are one of the WORST in environmental issues; hypocracy at its worst. :evil:

Retard.

This resolution will pass regardless of opinions voiced but maybe future resolutions like it which are just as vauge and poorly thought out can be prevented from reaching this stage of the UN.

Firstly, who is to be held responsible for the dumping of waste material in to the water system? The person(s) who personally did it or the person(s) who ordered it to be done? Is the CEO of a company or the leader of a country supposed to be imprisoned for the actions of their subordinates? I would think not which clearly shows a lack of thought in that part of the resolution.
Secondly, the creation of non-profit organisations is all well and good but when you insist that there _must_ be three of them in every town or city is just pointless because not every industry is in a town or city, what happens to those industrys that then dump?! Nothing because your stupid resolution doesn't cover it. That number of non-profit organistations would require government sponsership because there wouldn't be enough funds to support three of them and most likely some or all would collapse from the huge amounts of money and manpower required to clean up spillages and contamination, then what happens create three more of these organisation?! Why did you think this resolution was in the slightest way going to be practical?
Thanks to you government agencies will now have to work with hundreds if not thousand of organisations, which may well consist of only 10 people because you will not find enough volunteers to work in them all and seeing as how there must be three in every two or city you'll either end up with one organisation with the money and the people with the others doing nothing of use or all three suffering from lack of cash and people!
With a population close to a billion do you realise how much of a problem you will of caused not just to me but to every UN member nation? In future consider the affects that you want to cause and the affects you will cause regardless.

You are nothing but a pen pushing desk jockey with no real idea of how the world works.

So who else is tired of idiots submitting proposals?

I really don't care if these stupid proposals are made as long as they never make it to the resolution stage, which means delegates need to think intelligently when supporting them to become resolutions. It's down to the delegates to prevent pointless proposals ever getting near resolution stage.

Votes For: 5095

People are crazy! I say this is a horrible resolution. Who the hell is voting for this stupid stuff?

Well, hmm, lets see. Oh yes, the people that actually want it to work! Oh dur, you were stupid and couldnt see that! I cant say enough that your idiotic whining isnt going to help anything. Drop out of the UN or make a counter proposal! My gosh!!!!!!! :evil:

Do you people really think you can create 3 not for profit (NFP) agencies per city without raising taxes? What about small cities? Will they have to be subsidized by larger ones? Will they have to rely on fines to keep operating? What if all businesses comply? How will they continue to function? What if a nation can't find the money to keep these agencies in operation and are therefore unable to be compliant with the resolution? Think of the number of agencies this is going to force you to create, then think of all the money that will be flowing through each of these agencies. This is inviting embezzlement and misappropriation of funds. This nation has strict policies and reporting standards for NFPs, and we will have to relax these standards due to the large number of agencies to police. Give this some serious thought. This is a terrible idea.

Well, you as a UN member nation will be required to conform to it!

Our delegates need to quit bringing crap up for a vote just to appear to be doing something. I would feel better with less resolutions and less intrusion. When good ideas are brought up, bring them up for a vote. Otherwise ignore them. This would require more thoughts by the delegates instead of just relying on votes for everything.

I understand we will be required to conform to it, I'm not stupid. My questions to you: Do you really think you can do this without raising taxes? Do you really care so much about the environment that you wrote this amendment, or did you just want to see if you could get it to pass and get your name on something?

The resolution states that taxes wont be raised, guess what; that means they wont be raised. I actually proposed it so that everyone could be cleaner; but having my name on something forever is quite nice too!

having my name on something forever is quite nice too!OmG. :roll:

Oh, and you wouldnt like it either i bet.

Whoway, the UN is an extension of RP it's an integral part of it all so when you bring up stupid resolutions which create mass disruption to everybody you screw up everything else that they do, a serious RP'er who wants reflect everything they can going on in their nation will now have to take consideration of the fact that they have several thousand organistions begging for money from people and expecting donations from the government.

Congratulations Whoway you've come with yet another well meaning but very poorly planned resolution.

Yet another? You're so retarded, this will help your nation; you just watch!

While this issue is well-intentioned, the wording of it would force nations to obey it. The proposal also requires nations to jail people. This is a vioaltion of national sovereignty and we cannot support it. :(

If the proposal was reworded to avoid sovereignty issues, it would be acceptable to my nation.

Whoway, how will the creation of a bureaucratic disaster help my nation? Every organisation that will be created because of YOU will require a license to clean and temporarily store toxic waste, that alone will take several thousand forms from every organisation not to mention the need for spcialised equipment and training all of which will cost millions in donations, if you expect people to donate money to the same organisations in the same city you are dreamer!

Existing government organisations will be supplanted by the needles number of organisations that YOU will of created, because of you vast amounts of time and energy will be wasted to perform actions already being done! Your plan requires the use of those on a community service order, brilliant we'll be spending money training people who broke the law to clean up highly dangerous and toxic waste! Do you not think that forcing these people is slightly wrong? Considering the dangerous nature of the work involved.

Well, I intend to go around your legislation by changing the classification of all towns and cities to village status! Your resoution states that towns and cities must have the organisations, you said nothing about population size just the use of "towns" and "cities" in the resolution. Have a nice day you ignorant,dim-witted,myopic bumbling cretin.

(S)He's probably like 13 years old.

Well, I intend to go around your legislation by changing the classification of all towns and cities to village status! Your resoution states that towns and cities must have the organisations, you said nothing about population size just the use of "towns" and "cities" in the resolution. Have a nice day you ignorant,dim-witted,myopic bumbling cretin.I love how most UN resolutions have loopholes that I could drive my Hummer through. :D This one is no different. It no longer matters to me though, since I left the UN long ago, and have been much better off since.

Press Release from the United Socilaist States of Kholodsk:

The USSK is officially opposed to the "Stop Dumping, Start Cleaning" legislation pending on the UN floor. However, it must be made clear that we are in full support of environmental cleaning and preservation. Our country spends billions of dollars a year on keeping our natural landscape clean and beautiful as well as regulating businesses which use dangerous chemicals. Also, the previous resolution, which banned oceanic waste dumping, enjoyed our full support. The current resolution is admirable in its zeal to prevent the destruction of our world's environs, but it is blatantly over-regulatory and steps too far in mandating a country's sovereignty. The UN exists to foster communication between countries and provide general rules by which we rule our countries, not micromanage our economies and social programs.

As the Incorperated States of Tom Joad and Kingdom of JBRoyal have previously stated, this resolution will cause an immediate rise of the bureaucratic regulatory state. While the USSK finds the aforemention countries' lack of existing environmental protections unfortunate, it is not within the UN's realm to dictate they follow a set standard. The USSK respectfully requests that the Federation of Whoway immediately withdraw its resolution from consideration so we may continue to more relevant business that the UN was charted for.

Signed,
For People of the United Socialist States of Kholodsk,
General Secretary Nikolai Famich Myasnikov

This resolution is unworkable. While my nation wholeheartedly agrees to cleaning the environment, this resolution is unreasonable in it's breadth and scope. Such a resolutions weaken the legitiamacy of the UN in it's reasoning capability to pass resolutions that make sense and that are workable. If you really really care about this resolution, please confer with some other members and have it rewritten to a more workable state.

Spitznatz is right this is such total BS.



If this is passed i delcare that the UN is useless and the Reich will leave the U.N. and declare war on all!!! this is ludicrous!!!! who ever heard of the world be to polluted to use? we have lived here for thousands of years and the world is still fine today so i say again this is B.S. :twisted: :twisted: :!:

This proposal definitely needs to be reworded. It is irresponsible and unclear right now- defining ANY dumping of wastes into ANY waterways is up to so much poor interpretation. Be more specific. Tighten up standards, yes, but not so irresponsibily as to leave the total interpretation up to... well... who knows?

We in Gurthark supported the previous resolution to stop oceanic dumping, but this one goes too far. We have always paid great attention to our environment, and had outlawed toxic dumping long before the United Nations required us to do so. This resolution would require us to put in place unnecessary levels of bureaucracy in our already large government and to clean up messes that, frankly, we did not make.

We in Gurthark think that protection of the commons is extremely important, and that preventing oceanic dumping is vital, but we feel that existing U.N. resolutions are sufficient to this task.

Sincerely,
Miranda Googleplex
United Nations Ambassador
Community of Gurthark

Any support for this bill as an international anti-dumping law is misplaced. The preceeding legislation already takes care of dumping in international waters. This means that if any effluent from your river systems or water table reaches the ocean you better make sure that water is not toxic. You can dump byproducts without them being toxic or detrimental. This proposal is asking for the needless buildup of infrastructure that many UN nations simply do not have the budget for especially after the Anti-Ocean dumping law.

THIS PROPOSAL IS ALREADY A LAW WHEN ADDRESSING WATER POLLUTION IN THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY. AS FOR RIVER SYSTEMS AND BODIES OF WATER KEPT INLAND THAT STAY IN THE LIMITS OF A COUNTRY, LET THE NATION TAKE CARE OF THAT!!!!!

VOTE AGAINST "STOP DUMPING"

Respectfully,
The Nomadic Peoples of Himes
Regional UN Delegate for 10000 Islands

if you are against this issue read my proposal i submitted called: Stop Invasive Resolutions

delegates please support my proposal

please support. I don't like childs playing with my economies like that. Though actually I am more concert with possible RP effects than the effects it has on my nation. Most only push me in a direction I want to go anyway. Just not the way I want to go.

Well I'm glad you are all disagree with my Resolution, yet most of the UN agrees with it!

Odd how none of these supporters have turned up to show support for you which leads me to belive that the enourmous majority of people voting in favour are un-aware of the drawbacks to this resolution and even those that are aware haven't decided to show up and give your words some backing, they simply vote because they see envinronment and fines which of course makes them feel all wonderful and squishy inside.