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The Kisnesian Ambassador and Regional Delegate of Kisnesivoid rises and takes the podium.

“Ladies and gentlemen of the United Nations. We stand before you ashamed of the recent activity in the United Nations. This assembly has been invaded, taken over by a swath of environmentalists who seek only to destroy the rights of the Kisnesian people and people worldwide.”

“Mr. Secretary-General, this speech falls under the category of hate speech, intended to defame a group of specific nations,” cries one of the Environmentalist leaders.

“Mr. Secretary-General, I contend that my speech has no hate content,” counters the Delegate from Kisnesia.

“Very well, Delegate, you may continue, for now, “ replies the Secretary-General

“Thank you. Recently a resolution passed restricting the rights of nations to do what they needed to do with toxic wastes. While Kisnesia does not dump toxic wastes into open water systems, it sees that there are many reasons a nation may be forced to do so, especially in small quantities. Therefore, we opposed this resolution on the grounds of National Sovereignty.

Now, two more resolutions by this same Environmentalist group have reached quorum and are scheduled to be voted upon soon. This assembly, once a place of peace and justice, has turned into a vehicle of Political action and totalitarianism. For this reason, Kisnesia is announcing its resignation from the UN, effective immediately.”

At this the Environmentalists rose from their seats and gave Kisnesia a standing ovation, for the first and probably last time in history.

why the hell would they give that whiney ass nation a standing ovation?

Sigh...another rash of flamboyant and showy resignations from nations that will most probably re-join in a short while and be subject to the UN's laws again anyways.

At least spoof the Declaration of Independence like I did :).

I did NOT oppose this on grounds of national sovereignity. I opposed it on grounds of personal liberty.

OOC:
Grin, programming flaw. Technically upon entering the UN all old resolutions should become in effect immidiately :P.

IC:
Rumor in the hallways,"The Jewraisa people are funny. It seemed obvious they gave the ovation for him for shutting up and leaving. :P Now the only question remains, is he still on this planet. If not, good ridance. If he his, maybe he should be kicked of the planet for poluting like hell :P."

The Senate of the Global Market has, in its first unanimous vote of 225-0, declares its support for Kisnesia's withdrawl from the United Nations.

The Senate of the Global Market has, in its first unanimous vote of 225-0, declares its support for Kisnesia's withdrawl from the United Nations.

Kisnesia's Foreign Ministry thanks TGM.

The Republic Of Jaxus, soon to be admitted into the UN, even though it doesnt wish to resign from its "alliance", puts full support behind the recent resignation of Kisnesia for the UN's obvious destruction of the rights of people wordwide. The Republic Of Jaxus declares its support for Kisnesia.

The Republic Of Jaxus, soon to be admitted into the UN, even though it doesnt wish to resign from its "alliance", puts full support behind the recent resignation of Kisnesia for the UN's obvious destruction of the rights of people wordwide. The Republic Of Jaxus declares its support for Kisnesia.

If you are soon to be admitted to the UN, you may want to reconsider....

Especially if you support us in this...

I believe the UN brings us good things and bad things, both. If the UN shows me it is a great "project" within the next few weeks, maybe I shall stick with it, although I support this. "Rights" are supposedly kept by the UN, in a way, but when something such as this is proposed and passed, it makes a nation wonder...

I believe the UN brings us good things and bad things, both. If the UN shows me it is a great "project" within the next few weeks, maybe I shall stick with it, although I support this. "Rights" are supposedly kept by the UN, in a way, but when something such as this is proposed and passed, it makes a nation wonder...

Very well, but be prepared to be unimpressed.

Thank you for your advice. I hope our nations meet again.

Thank you for your advice. I hope our nations meet again.

Agreed. Glad to be of help.

The leaders of our Commonwealth believe that resigning from the UN over three resolutions, particularly with the intention of rejoining later when tensions have subsided and special interest groups have changed, is despicable and ought to be viewed as the choice of the weak-willed. A nation should join the UN to help shape the world and improve international relations (or at least to solve conflict) with the understanding that it will not agree with all resolutions that pass. If a nation cannot summon the opposition needed to force the failure of a despised proposal, it should work to appeal the resolution through the legislative process, not through posturing and withdrawing.

The leaders of our Commonwealth believe that resigning from the UN over three resolutions, particularly with the intention of rejoining later when tensions have subsided and special interest groups have changed, is despicable and ought to be viewed as the choice of the weak-willed. A nation should join the UN to help shape the world and improve international relations (or at least to solve conflict) with the understanding that it will not agree with all resolutions that pass. If a nation cannot summon the opposition needed to force the failure of a despised proposal, it should work to appeal the resolution through the legislative process, not through posturing and withdrawing.

Kisnesia has tried several of these options but has basically gotten fed up with nations voting in favor of the "Feel-good" resolutions, without reading any of the debate

Kisnesia also sponsored a newspaper, which discusses issues in the UN. To no avail.

These recent resolutions are simply indications of how the UN is now looking at things. It is no longer an international peacemaking force, but an international legislative body for certain Phillosiphies to push their agenda upon others.

Kisnesia has no intention of returning to the UN in its current state. Conservatives/Libretarians are beginning to resign en masse from the UN, which will sooner or later become a place for Liberals and newbies who know no better.

Lord Evif addresses the chair.

"Mr. Secretary, I must express my disappointment with the resignation of the Kinesian delegate. We disagree vehemently with their position, but we have always enjoyed their eloquence in debate. He (she?) will be missed."

Yshurak's UN Ambassador could not be reached for comment, as he and the President are both attending an environmental conference on the island of Freebodnik V.

What if you lived near the ocean and had to ingest that harmful pollution? Would you be such a staunch opponent of environmental laws, then?

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What if you lived near the ocean and had to ingest that harmful pollution? Would you be such a staunch opponent of environmental laws, then?

Kisnesia is an island nation, and does not dump toxic wastes into the ocean. We did not resign because of this, but because of:
1). The endless stream of "Feel-good" resolutions
2). The debate in the UN forum, which, while sometimes worthwhile, is ignored by 98% of the UN.

Here's a question for you: at what point do you draw the line and say "Enough is enough"? Hopefully you do draw that line.

Goobergunchia: Thank you for your kind comments, and we wish you the best. We have thouroughly enjoyed debating with a rational, sane nation, even if we rarely saw things in a similar fashion.

My nation is new to the UN and have yet to look at the past resolutions, if this is even possible. However I am sad to see a nation resign its status with the UN over a rash of what it calls "Feel-good" resolutions. I supported the resolution even though my regional delegate did not. The environment is fragile and will not last forever. Therefore it is up to us, the peoples of this world to protect it. Waste will always be the product of production, it must be dumped somewhere. I just don't feel that the oceans are the right place to do that. Let our scientists put their heads together and find a way to either reuse this waste or make it harmless.

The Most High Lady Niphrandl

Trevland shares Kinesia's frustration at the lack of thought that goes into voting on these reolutions, although we do see a potential role for the UN in dealing with supranational problems such a environmental pollution.

Our concern is that the resolutions that are coming forward are piecemeal and unworkable.

Trevland would like to see a single comprehensive resolution brought before the UN for the protection of the environment. Such a resolution would clearly define concepts which the environmentalist lobby have failed to turn their attention to such as the meaning of "waste" and "toxic".

Trevland firmly believes in the sovereignty of nations but does not believe that the pooling of sovereignty to deal with a problem that threatens the health and prosperity of all nations and can only be solved by all nations together is incompatible with national sovereignty.

So I say to UN members let us grow up, let us stop the gesture politics of the current resolutions and let us form a committee to draft a sensible environmental protection regime that will actually work and that recognises the needs of individual nation states. And to Kinesia I say, not by leaving the UN will you improve the government of this planet, rejoin the UN and assist me in drafting a resolution that will establish the remit of such a committee.

So I say to UN members let us grow up, let us stop the gesture politics of the current resolutions and let us form a committee to draft a sensible environmental protection regime that will actually work and that recognises the needs of individual nation states. And to Kinesia I say, not by leaving the UN will you improve the government of this planet, rejoin the UN and assist me in drafting a resolution that will establish the remit of such a committee.

We applaud the comments of our colleague from Trevland.

The Free Lands of Youghigheny stands willing to join this committee to assist in drafting the language needed to create a workable environmental protection regime. Further, the Free Lands of Youghiogheny will be willing to underwrite some of the costs for the creation and operation of such a committee.

- Xavier Jameson
The Free Lands of Youghiogheny,
UN Delegate and Hoopy Frood

These proposals are complete stupidity. Go ahead pass your idiot laws. your breeding nothing but idiots.

Your resolutions are weak, they lack clarity and focus, YOU will pass anything as long as its warm and fuzzy....

Well you are STUPID!!!! The world does not and can not work that way. I will be no part of your UN.

You have become just like the REAL United Nations....OBSOLETE and USELESS.!!!

I am doing what the U.S. should have done a long time ago......I'm leaving the united Nations.

If you cross my borders you will live by my rules....UN or not!

As the Empty Suit Speaker for the Principality of Puffinstuff, I hereby announce my nation's support of the Federation of Kisnesia.

Although the citizens of the Principality of Puffinstuff will just about blindly support any sort of legislation regarding environmental protections, we are also fairly logical individuals. Many of the recent "Feel Good" resolutions that have been pushed through are highly illogical, such as the most recent one suggesting the formation of a non-profit coalition to counteract the improper disposal of waste.

Rather than spend time debating the intellectual merits of the above resolution, seeing as this is not the thread to do so, I would like to state my personal hopes for a slightly more logical UN, where the resolutions go through a spelling and grammar checker before they are put to a vote. Puffinstuff will not resign from the UN, in hopes of making the UN a better organization, but we still support Kisnesia in their decision.

Idumea has always been a fan of Kisnesia. As regular subscribers to the UN News, we haven't always agreed with the Kisnesia editorials but we have a great deal of respect for the paper and what it says about the Kisnesian government.

That said, we could not disagree more strongly with the actions taken recently by Kisnesia and the stated reasons behind those actions.

The three most recent UN-passed Resolutions have been, in reverse order, a ban on oceanic waste dumping, a policy preventing UN Nations from using embargoes on medicine as a weapon, and an AIDS initiative designed to address what is fast becoming a global health emergency.

These have been characterized as "feel good" initiatives. We ask, what exactly does this mean? It seems to be short-hand or code for meaningless or unimpactful tripe, and we take issue with this presentation.

Each of the three proposals listed above make sense pragmatically. It has been demonstrated, conclusively in our view, that the prevention of large-scale oceanic toxic waste dumping in turn prevents other, costlier ripple effects. The proposal is justified on a cost/benefit basis alone. This brand of environmental legislation is not to be confused with fights to save the spotted owl - it is legislation that demonstrates our species' ability to learn from past mistakes (i.e. it is far more expensive to deal with massive public health emergencies and the consequential site clean-up caused by large-scale dumping of toxic waste than it is to mandate dumping standards).

Similarly, the AIDS proposal is dealing head-on with a very real global epidemic. In today's world, only a fool would argue that health emergencies across the border have no impact on our economies at home. As any good economist and business leader will know, one dollar of prevention cost is worth 100 dollars of cleanup cost. The more the world can get out in front of this type of global health issue the less expensive the issue will be in the long run for us all.

All this without mentioning the obvious humanitarian elements of the listed proposals; far from meaningless, far from inneffectual. We see that the Speaker is indicating we are out of time. We appreciate the assembly's attention.

but did you really have to do the dumbass roleplaying with myself bit?


"The delegate addresses the UN coucil"

dont forget to roll your 20 sided die first, dipshit.

A Cable from the Congress and and Chief Executive of the United DHara:

"If history has taught us one thing, and one thing alone, it is that an institution built upon irrational grounds cannot long abide on this Earth. Thus have we seen the fall of ancient Empires, Greek and Roman, and of modern ones, Nazi, Fascist, and Communist.

We predict too, that this so-called "United Nations" shall pass into the dust of history. It deplores slavery, but enslaves its doctors and teaches. it professes to hate tyrants, but yields to the nonsensical whims of demagogues.

Our nation is young, but fiercely proud of our dedication to Reason. Thus, we applaud the good people of Kisnesia, for abandoning said institution. We joyfully express hope that this is a step on the road towards a further embrace of the rational precepts of Capitalism and Libertarianism.

We bid you good day, and good luck."

but did you really have to do the dumbass roleplaying with myself bit?


"The delegate addresses the UN coucil"

dont forget to roll your 20 sided die first, dipshit.

It's called RPing, and it happens to occur all over on the NS boards. Some people prefer to actually play the game instead of just discussing politics.

Eh... Just ignore Jewrasia. He's always posting inappropriate, offensive comments.

Anyhow, on a more serious note, Kisnesia, we appreciate all the work you have done to try to mold the UN to your view, and we now understand why you need to leave. While we suppose we have been responsible for several "feel-good" resolutions by your standards (Pet Protection Act, Fine Arts Act), our ultimate goal is to improve the world's civil and political rights. We did not approve of the Cato Acts, for example, because we felt they were too restrictive in regards to the right to assemble and because it offered no protection to legal permanent residents of a country.

We feel that a government or a governing body (such as the UN) should seek to establish the things that improve an area such as parks, museums, and libraries. We feel that people should be able to find out more about the rules and regulations of foreign nations they plan to visit, either by choice or for business. These are the reasons for some of our "feel-good" resolutions.

We believe that you and TGM are upset mainly because the new resolutions focus on long-term issues and may disturb your economies. After all, the Cato Act certainly seems like a feel-good resolution to us, especially considering that a Universal Bill of Rights is already on the books.

but did you really have to do the dumbass roleplaying with myself bit?


"The delegate addresses the UN coucil"

dont forget to roll your 20 sided die first, dipshit.

Lord Evif rises and says the following:

MODALERT

but did you really have to do the dumbass roleplaying with myself bit?


"The delegate addresses the UN coucil"

dont forget to roll your 20 sided die first, dipshit.

Lord Evif rises and says the following:

MODALERT

lol

I concur all they treehugging nations must be stopped

For the record, the three proposals we are referring to are "Oceanic Waste Dumping", which should be handled through a treaty, "Stop Dumping - Start Cleaning," which is a flagrant violation of national sovereignty and a logistical nightmare to carry out, and "World Heritage List"

Also for the record, Kisnesia voted AGAINST the Cato Acts.

For the record, the three proposals we are referring to are "Oceanic Waste Dumping", which should be handled through a treaty, "Stop Dumping - Start Cleaning," which is a flagrant violation of national sovereignty and a logistical nightmare to carry out, and "World Heritage List"

Also for the record, Kisnesia voted AGAINST the Cato Acts.

What did you mean to say about the World Heritage List? We agree that the Ocean Dumping initiative should be handled through a treaty, but we don't have that ability at this time, nor do we have the ability to change the way the UN functions.

A proposal should not be ruled out simply because it would be logistically difficult to carry out. If the issue is relevant and affects the entire population, and a simpler solution is not forthcoming, than a logistically-complex proposal merits consideration.

We were speaking to you, TGM, and all other nations that have complained about recent "feel good" proposals in our previous post and in no way meant to imply that you supported the Cato Acts. It was simply a failed resolution that came quickly to mind and was well supported by many of the nations that are unhappy with the state of affairs in the UN.

Uh, I havent been here long, what were the Cato Acts?

Uh, I havent been here long, what were the Cato Acts?

They were basically a bill of rights.