NationStates Jolt Archive

It is wrong

The average schoolteacher would probably use the gun as a paperweight and wind up accidently shooting Little Johnnie right in the braces.

Exactly, although I know a few who would use it to stir their coffee, or in the case of my old chemistry teacher... would probably use it to set off cool experiments... I mean really, why the farc would I want my teachers to pack heat, kids would go home with a load of buckshot in them after a brief trip to the principals office, anyway... its completely impracticle, thank god for the last post above. Thank god for ANY rationality. :wink:

First: This interferes highly with national laws (guns are strictly prohibited for anyone, who is not a policemen or a soldier)
Second: The risk of being struck by a lightning is twice as high as being shot in school. That illustrates the low prohability.

So the teachers have guns... how long before the students demmand the same right. Then each teacher is outgunned 30...40 to 1.

This kind of insanity will never work... vote against.

this is really asking for an accident to happen. A teacher with a gun in school that has the right to shoot students if he/she feels the need arrises?

talk about a time bomb!

Yes, I sincerely hope this proposal does not reflect the author.

Terrorism? I think school shootings. Also, we could just avoid the whole thing by not having guns.

As many people have said before, it's a bad idea to bring guns into schools.

Yes, I sincerely hope this proposal does not reflect the author.

Terrorism? I think school shootings. Also, we could just avoid the whole thing by not having guns.

As many people have said before, it's a bad idea to bring guns into schools.
Abysseria agrees wholeheartedly. She will vote no on any resolution on this issue.

Woo! Someone agreed with me!

*Does happy dance*

Terrorism? I think school shootings. Also, we could just avoid the whole thing by not having guns.

Elaborate on "not having guns". If guns didn't exist, people would be killing each other with knives, clubs, garden tools, a toaster wrapped in a tablecloth, or whatever else can be used to cause harm. The fact of the matter is that virtually anything in our surroundings has the potential to be lethal if used correctly. Begin limiting access to "potentially dangerous" items and you'll end up putting everyone in rubber rooms to protect everyone else. It's not plausible.

Yes, guns make it extremely easy to kill someone else, or many people at a time. We understand that, and we aren't arguing that point.

Arming teachers is only dealing with the symptom of a larger problem. Let's not attack the symptoms; let's attack the cause of the symptoms...
This brings another debate to light -- what is the cause of school shootings? Parents? Teachers? Television violence? Peer pressure? Childhood medication? I wish that I had the answer.

Perhaps we should pass a resolution that funds research into this sort of thing, and then act on the results of the research.

Guns have a big advantage compared to garden tools, toasters or knifes: They kill over higher distances. Also, you do not need to use physical strenght to use it, you just use your finger and kill a person. This makes killing with a gun much more easy. Also, a gun has no other function. You can use a knife to cut, garden tools to grows flowers, but a gun is only designed to cause harm.

Guns have a big advantage compared to garden tools, toasters or knifes: They kill over higher distances. Also, you do not need to use physical strenght to use it, you just use your finger and kill a person. This makes killing with a gun much more easy. Also, a gun has no other function. You can use a knife to cut, garden tools to grows flowers, but a gun is only designed to cause harm.

Description: Sometimes the biggest terriosts are in the class rooms. Teachers need to be able to spot these students and they need to have a plan in order to stop the mauling of fellow students. Just having plan would not help the teachers from stopping a school shooting from happening. I say all teachers should be armed with a pistol in case the situation arrises.
I see. And what do you do with quadroplegic teachers, or those with missing hands or fingers? I suppose you throw them out of work, where they will become a drain on our welfare systems and a burden to society. We cannot let this come about!

The Rogue Nation of Futplex therefore opposes this measure.

Guns have a big advantage compared to garden tools, toasters or knifes: They kill over higher distances. Also, you do not need to use physical strenght to use it, you just use your finger and kill a person. This makes killing with a gun much more easy. Also, a gun has no other function. You can use a knife to cut, garden tools to grows flowers, but a gun is only designed to cause harm.

We aren't in denial of that.

The point is that guns in schools are symptoms of a problem. It's more efficient to snuff out the cause of the problem than to run around squelching multiple symptoms of said problem.

Oh right, and when a teacher accidentally leaves a gun out on a desk, or in the staff room and a kid gets hold of it? Or are the teachers not going to carry the guns around with them? In that case they are totally useless. This is an absolutely ridiculous proposal, and I can only hope it was intended as a joke.

Strangely enough, The Free Land of TedHughes will vote against this bill in the very unlikely event it comes up for a UN vote.

The point is that guns in schools are symptoms of a problem. It's more efficient to snuff out the cause of the problem than to run around squelching multiple symptoms of said problem.

Good point. That is the reason, why education should be a top-priority in each nation.

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This is the most absurd proposal ever. Catholic Europe in no way supports the use of guns in the class.

...gun has no other function. You can use a knife to cut, garden tools to grows flowers, but a gun is only designed to cause harm.
The legitimate functions of a gun are for self-defense, hunting, and sport. We oppose gun control, but we don't believe that guns are a useful tool for imposing classroom discipline, and the number of school shootings is statistically insignificant - if we want to make teachers responsible for protecting the lives of students, we should teach them first aid.
A gun is not a magic wand or a toy. Handling one properly requires a constant commitment to safety, and uninterrupted vigilance around people who might filch it. And for a person who is unprepared to use it, a gun can be more of a liability than an asset. The idea of requiring someone to have a gun who doesn't even want to be prepared to use it or to take responsibility for it is absurd.

It's a good start but not teachers more like security officers trained for those situations or U.S. Marshals in disquise becuase teachers have high stress levels they good loose it too.

Elaborate on "not having guns". If guns didn't exist, people would be killing each other with knives, clubs, garden tools, a toaster wrapped in a tablecloth, or whatever else can be used to cause harm. The fact of the matter is that virtually anything in our surroundings has the potential to be lethal if used correctly. Begin limiting access to "potentially dangerous" items and you'll end up putting everyone in rubber rooms to protect everyone else. It's not plausible.


I see you too want to stop the causes and not just the symptons. I agree with this. However, that would mean that, if we did try to make society more stable, we could allow unrestricted access to uranium. So, altough I agree that the main struggle should be to combat the roots of the problem, a ban on guns should follow as well.

So the teachers have guns... how long before the students demmand the same right. Then each teacher is outgunned 30...40 to 1.

This kind of insanity will never work... vote against.

Your right.

Let's give the Teachers Tanks instead.

The Queendom of MaryBeth does not support this proposal. It would be very easy for students to get a hold of their teacher's gun and then we'd have a problem. It would be much safer if there were security guards or policemen on duty at schools to ensure the safety of students, teachers, and other staff members. It should not be the teacher's responsibility.

...gun has no other function. You can use a knife to cut, garden tools to grows flowers, but a gun is only designed to cause harm.
The legitimate functions of a gun are for self-defense, hunting, and sport. We oppose gun control, but we don't believe that guns are a useful tool for imposing classroom discipline, and the number of school shootings is statistically insignificant - if we want to make teachers responsible for protecting the lives of students, we should teach them first aid.
A gun is not a magic wand or a toy. Handling one properly requires a constant commitment to safety, and uninterrupted vigilance around people who might filch it. And for a person who is unprepared to use it, a gun can be more of a liability than an asset. The idea of requiring someone to have a gun who doesn't even want to be prepared to use it or to take responsibility for it is absurd.

Guns, unlike toaster or garden tools ar purposly made with one objective and serve no other, to inflict bodily harm on others. (handguns for example, hunting rifles and such of course are a diffrent matter) Could you once and for all stop comparing them with other materials. If a person uses something in a depraved manner you cant blame the maufacturer or the seller for having let that item out. Besides guns are the only item that nobody can face up against without taking a whole tank, or another full body anti-gun conception, with them. A knife can be wresled out of and you can also run away from it (to a certain extent of course. And dont compare running away from a knife to running away from a bullet, cause you have no chance against the bullet..)

I know this shouldnt be here but in the gun control discussion, but for:

1- I dont want to go fully into a discussion about gun control

2- I'm have seen once to many times those against gun control bring up the reasoning of "if it isnt with guns its with something else" implying that a gun is exactly like a knife or even other, worse, examples (a car?!)

You can wear a kevlar vest, that stops most handguns.

For large caliber ones you can wear an armor plate inside a kevlar vest. For about $1,300 you can wear enough protection to stop AK-47 bullets.

it still hurts though so i suggest you carry a lot of pain killers

it still hurts though so i suggest you carry a lot of pain killers

Unless you want to abolish painkillers. After all, you can always kidnap someone and force feed them Tylenol™ until they die.

it still hurts though so i suggest you carry a lot of pain killers

Unless you want to abolish painkillers. After all, you can always kidnap someone and force feed them Tylenol™ until they die.

Hey, why not issue teachers buckets of tylenol and ropes instead of guns? If the tylenol doesn't cure her headache, she can hogtie the little s***s and stuff tylenol into them until they croak.

Wow...letting teachers carry guns....that's one of the scarier things I have heard lately. Just scary in an all around on so many levels kind of thing.

I would definitely not support this.

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