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Help stop illicit sexual activity and support the Decent Sexuality Reform Act. This outlaws deviant behaviour and will protect the youth of our world. Do not let the left wing perverts rape and corrupt our young. Sex is for PROcreation not RECreation! The morality of decent folks needs to be protected. Sex after marriage between a man and a woman human and for reproduction ONLY!

Support the Decent Sexuality Reform Act

Save you childern, protect society.

Oh my, I didn't know they had interweb in the Isle of Man.

We in Gurthark are strongly opposed to the idea that it's the business of the government to determine what human activities are "for," or that the original "purpose" (if any) of such activities has any bearing on when it's acceptable to engage in them.

We are also strongly opposed to the idea of victimless crimes. We will do our utmost to oppose this proposal and all others like it.

Sincerely,
Miranda Googleplex
United Nations Ambassador
Community of Gurthark

I am in a strong agreeance with Gurthark! If a government tries to control whether or not two people can have sex, then that government is a truly power hungry dictatorship that should not have the control it has. If two people want to have sex, they will, like it or not. If you would go so far as to keep track of them, they will rebel sooner or later, more likely sooner than later.

I would definately oppose this proposal, and any proposal like it, and I truly hope no one would seriously consider putting such a law into effect.

Save you childern.

so how exactly does gay/animal sex harm children?

more importantly how does non-procreational sex harm children?

Frankly, your proposal might interfere with our proposal for a statue of a girl with a small waist and huge butt in a thong.

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Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and big butts!
Letilan moths! Yay!
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what about threesomes I like having two hot women at the same time



asian :twisted:





:twisted: thank you for your support :twisted:

Just what exactly do you consider "Illicit"; exactly, see, your definition is different from mine.

Does it include homosexuality? Banning that will gain you little support.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and big butts!
Letilan moths! Yay!
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:TEA1WL6tIGQC:w1.150.telia.com/~u15008589

Read his proposal.
He seems a bit [*twirls finger in hair*]

And he only classifies it as 'significant".

This is so strong that they should create a new category for it.

I love the part about open mouthed kissing resulting in castration or death...

And until now i hadn't realized there was such a catagory as moral decency

Sex is for whatever the hell you want it to be for.

Use some common sense when you make a proposal. What makes you think this will pass?

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and big butts!
Letilan moths! Yay!
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:TEA1WL6tIGQC:w1.150.telia.com/~u15008589

Use some common sense when you make a proposal. What makes you think this will pass?

So far in the past few weeks everything anti-Liberty that has reached quorum has passed. That might be why.

Sex is for whatever the hell you want it to be for.

:shock: I concur.

Lord Evif, Goobergunchian UN Ambassador
DU Regional Delegate

Use some common sense when you make a proposal. What makes you think this will pass?

So far in the past few weeks everything anti-Liberty that has reached quorum has passed. That might be why.
When human need comes in conflict with corparate greed, I am staunchly for humanity.

Remember economic freedoms primarily affect only collective entities for the better, wheres civil freedoms affect individuals for the better.

I am in a strong agreeance with Gurthark! If a government tries to control whether or not two people can have sex, then that government is a truly power hungry dictatorship that should not have the control it has. If two people want to have sex, they will, like it or not. If you would go so far as to keep track of them, they will rebel sooner or later, more likely sooner than later.

I would definately oppose this proposal, and any proposal like it, and I truly hope no one would seriously consider putting such a law into effect.

All of this is already compulary in Livereaew. We have 200% of our population in agreement.

Sex is for whatever the hell you want it to be for. Sex is there to remind us what filthy disgusting creatures we are. The guilt after sex that we all have is to remind us how unworthy and perverted we are.

I have a better idea--let's NOT tell people who they can and can't fuck.

Sex is not a moral issue--it's a dick-going-into-a-pussy issue.

Oh, and I've never felt guilty after sex...there's nothing more enjoyable than knowing you've met someone you're comfortable making yourself completely vulnerable to.

We have 200% of our population in agreement.

How does that work?

more importantly how does non-procreational sex harm children?If people are too busy having sex to spend time with their children who watches them???

Also, sex is harmful to children because they may walk in on a sex act and later grow up to be a serial killer!

Keep society and our children safe.

Sex is for whatever the hell you want it to be for. Sex is there to remind us what filthy disgusting creatures we are. The guilt after sex that we all have is to remind us how unworthy and perverted we are.

Sex is a biological adaptation that allows quicker transfer of genetic material than asexual reproduction. It first appeared several billion years ago among single-celled organisms as a method of exchanging genes for their own survival. Eventually it was adapted as a technique for reproduction. Species that reproduce sexually are much more 'fit' than species that reproduce asexually. The guilt you get after you have sex comes from your upbringing in a cooky fundamentalist background.

more importantly how does non-procreational sex harm children?If people are too busy having sex to spend time with their children who watches them???

Also, sex is harmful to children because they may walk in on a sex act and later grow up to be a serial killer!

Keep society and our children safe.

Are you being serious? If so, please demonstrate how viewing sexual acts leads to being a serial killer??

I have a better idea--let's NOT tell people who they can and can't f---.

Sex is not a moral issue--it's a dick-going-into-a-pussy issue.

Oh, and I've never felt guilty after sex...there's nothing more enjoyable than knowing you've met someone you're comfortable making yourself completely vulnerable to.

Sex is NOT just a dick-going-into-a-pussy issue. It is also a homo feces, sex toy, pornograpy, prostitution, pedophilia, necrophilia, solo mastrubation and vaseline issue.

Please DON'T be so ignorant the next time, Ithuania.

Help stop illicit sexual activity and support the Decent Sexuality Reform Act. This outlaws deviant behaviour and will protect the youth of our world. Do not let the left wing perverts rape and corrupt our young. Sex is for PROcreation not RECreation! The morality of decent folks needs to be protected. Sex after marriage between a man and a woman human and for reproduction ONLY!

Support the Decent Sexuality Reform Act

Save you childern, protect society.


Let me assure you that despite procreating quite nicely, my wife and I still enjoy sex for purely recreational reasons as well! And if you think you can legislate people to stop enjoying our orgasms... you have a very limited grasp of human nature.

-Z-

Sex is NOT just a dick-going-into-a-pussy issue.

It's the exchange of genetic material.

It is also a homo feces, sex toy, pornograpy, prostitution, pedophilia, necrophilia, solo mastrubation and vaseline issue.

These are forms of exchanging or facilitating the exchange of genetic material.

I have a better idea--let's NOT tell people who they can and can't f---.

Sex is not a moral issue--it's a dick-going-into-a-pussy issue.

Oh, and I've never felt guilty after sex...there's nothing more enjoyable than knowing you've met someone you're comfortable making yourself completely vulnerable to.

Sex is NOT just a dick-going-into-a-pussy issue. It is also a homo feces, sex toy, pornograpy, prostitution, pedophilia, necrophilia, solo mastrubation and vaseline issue.

Your point? Several of those are rather enjoyable as far as I'm concerned, and there are those who enjoy the rest.

All of this is already compulary in Livereaew. We have 200% of our population in agreement.

I've posted many a time in this forum that good laws should follow accepted axioms of arithmetic.

This one really is living a sheltered life. I pitty your (future?) wife/husband.

We in the Kingdom allow others to express love( and lust) however they see fit. You should be hanged by your fingernails for even thinking you can control people in such a manner. It is NOT the governments place to tell people what religion to be or who the can do WHATEVER with behind closed doors(or designated public places).




HRH King Bearhunter

Frankly, your proposal might interfere with our proposal for a statue of a girl with a small waist and huge butt in a thong.

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Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and big butts!
Letilan moths! Yay!
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:TEA1WL6tIGQC:w1.150.telia.com/~u15008589 :lol: :lol: :)

I believe the representative from Livereaew is having a bit of fun at the expense of us more serious-minded delegates.

Sincerely,
Miranda Googleplex
United Nations Ambassador
Community of Gurthark

Save you childern.

so how exactly does gay/animal sex harm children?

Animals bite...

I believe the representative from Livereaew is having a bit of fun at the expense of us more serious-minded delegates.

Sincerely,
Miranda Googleplex
United Nations Ambassador
Community of Gurthark

*tries to get Enodia's attention*

Sex is for whatever the hell you want it to be for.

Does that mean it could be an Olympic sport?

I refuse to believe he is serious about this.

This one really is living a sheltered life. I pitty your (future?) wife/husband.

If he is serious, you won't have anyone to pity

Laugh all you want to. The people of my nation are moral and chaste. When your homsexual feces urine filled sex with corpses of your loved ones and your family pets causes your societies to crumble and fall, I will stand in judgement and I will rule!

Thank you for supporting our cause.

If indeed you are being serious on the topic then I agree with you to some extent. My society is based around the foundations of logic and scientific research - we do not believe that religious doctrines should be used to govern our laws.

Therefore, we are against your clearly homophobic views on the topic. Numerous psychology departments (almost all) are united on the fact that homosexuality is not a choice and the practice of it is a healthy alternative lifestyle, which is acceptable so long as sexual expression of said lifestyle is done in a safe, undamaging way. It's also clear that with the excessive rate of growth of our populations due to promiscuity and careless sex, homosexuals are a good source of population control.

Masterbation has also been proven to have sexual benefits, reducing sexual frustration and causing people to live longer. These are clearly positive effects and so our society is not against this either.

However, we are against promiscuity, prostitution, necrophilia and paedophilia. These and other types of deviant sexual behaviour ARE choices and there is strong psychological evidence, which says that people can be psychologized out of such harmful behaviour. We agree that new legislation should be developed, which takes a harsh attitude towards these types of lifestyles. The law should state that sexual activities should be between two consenting human beings of mature age and either gender.

Perhaps you would gain more support if you matured your ideas a little more and were a LITTLE softer in your attitude.

Save you childern.

so how exactly does gay/animal sex harm children?

Animals bite...

the children? :shock:

Again...sex is not a moral issue. There is nothing "right" or "wrong" about butt-fucking versus pussy-fucking. The only way morality comes into play is the issue of consent vs. force.

Sex can be a moral problem, but not the state defines the moral of its citizens, they are free to decide their own moral rules.

You like a Junior Anti-Sex League activist, and a member of Thinkpol. Where's that scarlet sash, anti-sexcrimer!

Must stop thinking of 1984...

When Ithuania and the Commies agree, then you know we're on to something.

Sex can be a moral problem, but not the state defines the moral of its citizens, they are free to decide their own moral rules.

The citizens in our country elect me every six months to be their President for Life. I alone must make the decision as to what they are free to make their own decisions on. Without this, there would be chaos and anarchy.

Because of this, Livereaew is the happiest place on Earth!

Sex can be a moral problem, but not the state defines the moral of its citizens, they are free to decide their own moral rules.

That is not true - if you let people decide what is right and wrong, what will we get next? Murder and rape?

This is why people are elected - to make rightful decisions on behalf of the people. Politicians are chosen because they are trusted to be responsible leaders...

although in practice of course, this does not work! ;)

Sex can be a moral problem, but not the state defines the moral of its citizens, they are free to decide their own moral rules.

That is not true - if you let people decide what is right and wrong, what will we get next? Murder and rape?

This is why people are elected - to make rightful decisions on behalf of the people. Politicians are chosen because they are trusted to be responsible leaders...

although in practice of course, this does not work! ;)

Sex can be a moral problem, but not the state defines the moral of its citizens, they are free to decide their own moral rules.

The citizens in our country elect me every six months to be their President for Life. I alone must make the decision as to what they are free to make their own decisions on. Without this, there would be chaos and anarchy.

Because of this, Livereaew is the happiest place on Earth!Your people are also sexually and politically repressed.

That is not true - if you let people decide what is right and wrong, what will we get next? Murder and rape?

This is why people are elected - to make rightful decisions on behalf of the people. Politicians are chosen because they are trusted to be responsible leaders...

although in practice of course, this does not work! ;)

Ok, I should have added that the moral rules have to be compatible to the basic norms of society. But in sexual matters, everything is all right, as long as the participating persons are adult and consent.

The easiest way to understand civil rights is that your rights leave off where others begin. And it is the governments responsibility to maintain this.

Sex can be a moral problem, but not the state defines the moral of its citizens, they are free to decide their own moral rules.

The citizens in our country elect me every six months to be their President for Life. I alone must make the decision as to what they are free to make their own decisions on. Without this, there would be chaos and anarchy.

Because of this, Livereaew is the happiest place on Earth!

I thought Jumalavori (sp?) was ranked happiest citizens...?

You're too worried about Chaos and Anarchy. The Yoke of Tyranny is a much more realistic threat to your citizens' well-being.

Sex is for PROcreation not RECreation! The morality of decent folks needs to be protected. Sex after marriage between a man and a woman human and for reproduction ONLY!



Save you childern, protect society.

Who are you to tell me why humans have sex? In actuality, sex can be for whatever you want it to be. There are only two problems... Unwatned pregnancies (use protection) and STDs (Know your partner)

I want to have sex.

I wonder why people are always so hung up on order anyway. It's not that great after all. :wink:

Anyway on to the more sensible portion of my post.

A. We agree that you are far too harsh. You may do what you wish in your own country but we doubt that many people in the UN approve of your views.

B. Pedophillia has already been banned in all UN Nations.

C. Sex also tends to have a bonding effect. If it were simply for procreation then would'nt it make sense for All unions to end in pregnency.

Thank you for reading our viewpoint.

Sex is for PROcreation not RECreation!

Gosh, thanks for informing me. I've been recreating a lot lately without knowing it was wrong!!! :D

I would like to hearily congratulate the author of the decent sexuality reform act, for having learnt to construct sentences grammatically (for the most part), and having learnt to use a computer. Being taught new things must be very difficult when you have as closed and petty a mind as you do - and whilst I'm happily confident that your act will never reach quorum or concensus - I would like to thank you for sharing your new skills with us.

it would be scary if it did come to quorum, however.

Sex is there to remind us what filthy disgusting creatures we are. The guilt after sex that we all have is to remind us how unworthy and perverted we are.

Only if you're a Catholic Priest.

it would be scary if it did come to quorum, however.Who would vote for it?

B. Pedophillia has already been banned in all UN Nations.

I wasn't in the UN when that passed. Pedophilia is a state of mind, therefore it is legal. Abolishing it goes against the freedom of thought.

I assume you mean pedophilic actions such as actually having sex with a minor. Wanting to have sex with a minor and actually doing it is different. In either case, as long as both parties consent, my government sees nothing wrong with it.

B. Pedophillia has already been banned in all UN Nations.

I wasn't in the UN when that passed. Pedophilia is a state of mind, therefore it is legal. Abolishing it goes against the freedom of thought.

I assume you mean pedophilic actions such as actually having sex with a minor. Wanting to have sex with a minor and actually doing it is different. In either case, as long as both parties consent, my government sees nothing wrong with it.

Ok sorry, child molestation is already illegal.

Does it include homosexuality? Banning that will gain you little support.

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Mliêstôlkakûmek(Love all as you love yourself)
Racism-the other stupid ideology
Peace, love, and girls with small waists and big butts!
Letilan moths! Yay!
http://images.google.com/images?q=tbn:TEA1WL6tIGQC:w1.150.telia.com/~u15008589

I'm all for that.

Too many leftist fundaloonies have Internet access :x

The Holy Empire of Pantocratoria has put its support behind this proposal in the interests of moral decency. Unlike the opposition, the Imperial Government has a spine, and will stand up for what is right, even if what is right is unpopular.

Her Imperial Highness the Chancellor the Princess Irene

The Holy Empire of Pantocratoria has put its support behind this proposal in the interests of moral decency. Unlike the opposition, the Imperial Government has a spine, and will stand up for what is right, even if what is right is unpopular.

Her Imperial Highness the Chancellor the Princess Irene

But while you're supporting this resolution, I'm going to start drafting a proposal that keeps cocaine and crystal meth out of the hands of pregnant mothers, it's too late for you but there's still hope for those yet to be born.

The Holy Empire of Pantocratoria has put its support behind this proposal in the interests of moral decency. Unlike the opposition, the Imperial Government has a spine, and will stand up for what is right, even if what is right is unpopular.

Her Imperial Highness the Chancellor the Princess Irene

But while you're supporting this resolution, I'm going to start drafting a proposal that keeps cocaine and crystal meth out of the hands of pregnant mothers, it's too late for you but there's still hope for those yet to be born.

The Imperial Government will certainly support that resolution as well.

HIH the Chancellor the Princess Irene

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The Holy Empire of Pantocratoria has put its support behind this proposal in the interests of moral decency. Unlike the opposition, the Imperial Government has a spine, and will stand up for what is right, even if what is right is unpopular.

Her Imperial Highness the Chancellor the Princess Irene

It is obvious that you do not know right from wrong.

No moral nation would tell its citizens who they can or cannot fuck and for what reasons (assuming all parties involved consent, of course).

As I said earlier in this thread, sex is not a moral issue. It is a dick-going-into-a-pussy issue.

In the interest of suppressing sexual indecency, Ursoria has decided to submit the following proposal:

SEXUAL DECENCY INSPECTION ACT

WHEREAS numerous instances have been reported of ladies flagrantly abusing their sexuality by committing indecent acts; and

WHEREAS there is no way to determine if a woman is capable of decent sexuality without conducting an in-depth personal investigation;

THEREFORE be it resolved that all female members of NationStates must demonstrate their favourite sexual activities in person to a representative of the Kingdom of Ursoria, which has selflessly agreed to contribute its time and labour for the moral betterment of humanity.

can i watch ursoria? for umm... greater acurracy in the findings?

In the interest of suppressing sexual indecency, Ursoria has decided to submit the following proposal:

SEXUAL DECENCY INSPECTION ACT

WHEREAS numerous instances have been reported of ladies flagrantly abusing their sexuality by committing indecent acts; and

WHEREAS there is no way to determine if a woman is capable of decent sexuality without conducting an in-depth personal investigation;

THEREFORE be it resolved that all female members of NationStates must demonstrate their favourite sexual activities in person to a representative of the Kingdom of Ursoria, which has selflessly agreed to contribute its time and labour for the moral betterment of humanity.

lol... :lol:

It is obvious that you do not know right from wrong.

No moral nation would tell its citizens who they can or cannot f--- and for what reasons (assuming all parties involved consent, of course).

As I said earlier in this thread, sex is not a moral issue. It is a dick-going-into-a-pussy issue.

OOC: As should be pretty obvious, whenever I sign a post from a member of my government, I'm in-character as a representative of the highly religious totalitarian near-dictatorship that is the Holy Empire of Pantocratoria. Given your language, I wasn't sure whether or not you were aware of that fact.

And while I'm OOC, what is and isn't a moral issue is in the eye of the beholder. You can't say "sex isn't a moral issue" and pretend it is definitive. You can say "sex should/shouldn't be a moral issue".

The other problem you fail to take into account is the effect it will have on individual freedoms. It will breach people's human rights. Just because you disagree with something doesn't mean it should be banned. For example homosexuality is wrong and immoral however it shouldn’t be completely banned, as the people who take part in it are consenting and by banning it completely you are removing their human rights. Thus it should be restricted rather than banned whereas something like bestiality or paedophilia should be completely banned because the people/animals who the acts are performed cannot give their consent.


I have to admit to a sort of morbid curiosity here. How do you propose to "restrict" homosexuality? Allow homosexual sex only on alternate Thursdays? Require a government-issued license? Allow it only in self-defense? Allow it (but not hererosexual sex) only within the confines of marriage?

Sincerely,
Miranda Googleplex
United Nations Ambassador
Community of Gurthark

Keep the U.N. Out of Calamshan's bedrooms. Really folks the U.N. has NO RIGHT WHAT SO EVER to make laws concerning sex. Come on you pervs, move along, move along....

Human rights consist of obedience and procreation. Anything else is a threat to the state and population. NO HUMANS SHOULD HAVE ANY RIGHTS. PERIOD!

Most definitely sounds like someone has issues with their own sexuality and thoughts of perversion. It is, to put it bluntly, none of anyone's damn business who I sleep with. Worry about your own bedroom and sexuality before you go legislating to others. As long as no one is forced to have sex with anyone else, then stay out of it. It in no way infringes on anyone else's rights, so let it go already. Geez. :evil:

Human rights consist of obedience and procreation. Anything else is a threat to the state and population. NO HUMANS SHOULD HAVE ANY RIGHTS. PERIOD!

What is the state? It exists to serve the individual, am I correct? Or would you perfer everyone be mindless drones so you can have more power?

While we support regulations which promote public health, and while this includes (but is not limited to) reproductive health, we prefer to let each ethnic group determine their own standards in the arena of sexual conduct. Our laws are limited to preventing seriously violence, any actions in which onw of the parties does not freely consent, and sexual relations involving children.

I hate to say this, but have we lost all morality here??? I strongly support this proposal. Not only does gay/animal sex have no relevant impact biologically, but it is potentially harmful to you and is morally wrong, at least to me. (Oh, and did I mention that it's a sin for all of you who are Christian?)

I hate to say this, but have we lost all morality here??? I strongly support this proposal. Not only does gay/animal sex have no relevant impact biologically, but it is potentially harmful to you and is morally wrong, at least to me. (Oh, and did I mention that it's a sin for all of you who are Christian?)

You... are... crazy. Sex isn't a moral issue.

When did sex NOT become a moral issue?

While sex is a moral issue Griff, I believe that individual nations must decide what that morality is. Aside from thing like sex slaves and the sexual abuse of children, (which go into crimes against humanity) the UN should not be allowed to dictate an individula nations right to sex. As a christian I believe, for example, the homosexuality is wrong. However i also believe that I do not have the right to force others to share my deeply held religious views. It a national debate, not a global one.

It is obvious that you do not know right from wrong.

No moral nation would tell its citizens who they can or cannot f--- and for what reasons (assuming all parties involved consent, of course).

As I said earlier in this thread, sex is not a moral issue. It is a dick-going-into-a-pussy issue.

And while I'm OOC, what is and isn't a moral issue is in the eye of the beholder.

That is false.

Morality is absolute, and the same for all. Whether individuals choose to accept that or not is, of course, a different question altogether.

When did sex NOT become a moral issue?

It never was.

Sex is indeed a moral issue. Whether say, homesuality is good or bad depends on your point of view. In other words your own definition of morality. I personally think it's immoral. YOu may think it's moral. Either way moral's do come into play. Very few things in life are free of morality. In deed laws are based on what is or is not moral. A society without morals is impossible. Even anarchy's have morals. The judge morals to be immoral. Like it or not morals are part of what make us human. Even liberals like you:D

I don't believe there are moral absolutes, what is moral to some people may not be moral to others. I have a strong moral objection to murder and rape, some people don't. I have no moral objection to homosexuality, some people do. Sex is an issue of morality to some people. I think bestiality, child molestation, rape and necrophelia should be illegal because both parties don't or can't consent. I have no problem with any sexual activity between two or more consenting adults though and i will not support this proposal. I am very liberal and i hold people's individual rights in very high esteem.

Rangerville, except those who disagree with you of course. Or make alot of money. Or support thier country etc. etc.

Excuse me, i respect all people's beliefs and opinions. If you want to outlaw homosexuality in your nation, go ahead, i won't stop you, i have never made a resolution or anything saying you should legalize it. You don't however have the right to tell me i have to make it illegal. I don't expect everyone to agree with my morality, that is what happens when you grow up and have been out in the world. I'm not saying you haven't, i'm just making a point. I don't even make UN resolutions because i am not going to force my morality on other people. I also don't care how much money someone makes, or how much they love their country. My only problem with people is hatred. If you want to disagree with homosexuals, or black people, or jews, that's fine, but you don't have to hate them. Even hatred isn't illegal though and i can't stop you from hating, and i wouldn't. Imo the only limit to freedom of speech and expression is that it shouldn't be allowed to incite violence. I don't agree with people discriminating against others because of who they are, but if you want to do that, you're entitled. Please don't presume to know me when you don't. Thanks:)

Rangerville, dont even try to play the race card. The liberal voting record speaks for its self. And if youll look at my previous post you'll see i said this was a national issue. I do respect that you advertised you are a liberal, most dont have the conviction. But saying Im agaist blacks jews etc it out there man. I belive in personal responsibility, the rights of the unborn, equal tax burdens (not more on the rich) and national pride. Go look at the liberal platform then tell me your party believes in the same.

We're talking about sex. How did race get into it?

One of the things I dislike most about liberals is how a lot of them often tie race into things that have nothing to do with race.

That said, sex is NOT a moral issue becuase it doesn't violate anyone's rights.

I belive in personal responsibility,

Me too! Yet you want to draft people and make them responsible for strangers they don't even know.

the rights of the unborn,

And the rights of E. Coli by extension?

equal tax burdens (not more on the rich)

I'm assuming you mean an equal PERCENTAGE. That's called a "flat tax." I support it wholeheartedly.

and national pride.

That's only killed what? 200 million people in the last hundred years? That's not THAT bad. [sarcasm]

"National pride" is collectivist bullshit. To quote Arthur Schopenhauer: "National character is only another name for the baseness, littleness, and perversity that mankind takes in every nation. Each nation mocks its neighbors, and all are correct."

Look I think liberals are whiners, un patriotic. As for national pride, maybe. But I'll bet Europe was gladwhen America showed National pride during WW2. And if you support the killing of innocent unborn children, your sicker than I thought. As far as a "flat tax" that is what I mean. That was proposed by Forbes. A REPUBLICAN and got attacked visciously by left

Look I think liberals are whiners, un patriotic. As for national pride, maybe. But I'll bet Europe was gladwhen America showed National pride during WW2. And if you support the killing of innocent unborn children, your sicker than I thought. As far as a "flat tax" that is what I mean. That was proposed by Forbes. A REPUBLICAN and got attacked visciously by left

Excess national pride is what CAUSED WWII in the first place.

Healthy patriotism is when you love your country because it's an objectively good country.
Unhealthy patriotism is when you love your country because ... it's your country.

Patriotism in real life is a combination of both. Either way you have to remember that no matter how good a system is it can always get better.

And also, the way you said it made it sound like absolutely equal tax, like everyone pays $5,000 no matter what instead of what I support which is like everyone pays 5% no matter what.

And also your blanket accusation against "liberals" doesn't help your credibility. There are some liberals who deserve what you say, but most liberals aren't whiners or hate successful people or anything like that.

I didn't say you hate black people or jews, don't put words in my mouth. I simply said that when it comes to someone's personal beliefs, all that bothers me is when hatred comes into it. Believe whatever you want, i honestly don't care. If you think it is national issue, then why are you trying to pass a bill that outlaws it everywhere? It's just a question, not an attack. I would think that if you really believed it was a national issue you would outlaw it in your nation and let us do the same rather than trying to pass this law. Thank you for appreciating the fact that i stand up for my convictions. By the way, i'm not American, i am Canadian, so when you were telling me to look at the liberal voting record, if you meant the democrats, that does not apply to me. I am more liberal than they are anyway. The democrats are not as liberal as everyone would like to make them out to be. They and republicans are not that different. I love my country, that does not mean i believe in everything my government does. I have no problem with sucessful people. Hell, i recently published a book and it is on sale now, i would like it if it became successful, though it is not the end of the world if it doesn't.

My apolgies Calamshan, i thought you were the one who made up the proposal, i forgot that it was someone else. Just ignore that part of my post...lol.

Im not trying to pass this bill read back a few pages. I said it is a national issue. But i feel you should support your country in it's defense. If your like global and cant tell what is or is not national defense, then I cant help you.

I just apologised to you for mistaking you for the other person, did you read my post? I'm sorry, there have been so many posts that i forgot it wasn't you. As for defense, i am anti-war in most circumstances so i wouldn't support my government if they brought us into a war i don't believe in. I always support the military though. You are definitely entitled to your opinion though, and i have no problem with it. Most of my friends have political beliefs the complete opposite of mine, but we are still friends because we respect eachother. That is all i ask of people. I enjoy a good debate and discussion, if everyone agreed with me this world would be very boring indeed. I only have a problem with people who take a snotty attitude because they disagree with me or if they call me names. You didn't do that so don't think i am accusing you. If i ever come across as insulting, i sincerely apologize, that is not my intention. I only ever intend that for people who insult me first. Even then i do it without cursing and name calling. As one of my friends put it, i tell you to go fuck yourself with a smile, and without actually saying "go fuck yourself...lol."

Im not trying to pass this bill read back a few pages. I said it is a national issue. But i feel you should support your country in it's defense. If your like global and cant tell what is or is not national defense, then I cant help you.

Look people much smarter than you and I feel for the kind of BS that the Nazis were spewing okay? Propaganda can be extremely powerful when directed properly. Governments have historically been very capable at convincing citizens that an aggressive war was a defensive one.

Im not trying to pass this bill read back a few pages. I said it is a national issue. But i feel you should support your country in it's defense. If your like global and cant tell what is or is not national defense, then I cant help you.

Look people much smarter than you and I feel for the kind of BS that the Nazis were spewing okay? Propaganda can be extremely powerful when directed properly. Governments have historically been very capable at convincing citizens that an aggressive war was a defensive one.

off-topic: wasnt it bismark who said that the victor writes the history books?

Im not trying to pass this bill read back a few pages. I said it is a national issue. But i feel you should support your country in it's defense. If your like global and cant tell what is or is not national defense, then I cant help you.

Look people much smarter than you and I feel for the kind of BS that the Nazis were spewing okay? Propaganda can be extremely powerful when directed properly. Governments have historically been very capable at convincing citizens that an aggressive war was a defensive one.

off-topic: wasnt it bismark who said that the victor writes the history books?

Hmm... I love Bismarck quotes, but I don't think it was him, no.

I love this one though: "To retain respect for sausages and laws, one must never see them being made."

War criminals always seem to have the best quotes ;).

Good quote, TGM.

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That said, sex is NOT a moral issue becuase it doesn't violate anyone's rights.

While we agree with TGM (our proposal notwithstanding) that government should not regulate sexual activities between consenting adults (in fact, our Constitution is quite specific on the point), we do not think it follows that sexuality has no ethical dimension whatever. Not every ethical question is a matter for government to decide (we tend to think that the vast majority are not).

The quotation demonstrates, I believe, the vast difference between TGM's view of the world and our own. We see freedom, ethics, and life itself as much broader than a collection of individual "rights". For example, it is easy to conceive of a situation where property rights are maximised, and yet freedom is constricted. Suppose that all of the streets and highways are privately owned, and that we have to go through 10 or 20 toll booths on our way to work. Even though individual rights might be maximised under such a system, most of us would feel LESS free, rather than MORE free as a consequence. Similarly if all of the beaches were owned by a few individuals, most of us would be a lot LESS free. Freedom is an existential state rather than a mere collection of "rights". The Lockean-Jeffersonian view is a real trap, and leads to a diminution of human freedom.

Sex, in our view, has ethical consequences because it is primarily a spiritual rather than a physical activity. For that very reason, government should stay out of the business of controlling sexual behaviour. As Edith Stein argued, governments cannot embody--and therefore cannot properly enforce--spiritual values.

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The major restrictions in Raging Lunatics are:

Open homosexuals cannot obtain Government jobs.
Homosexual acts of any kind are banned in public.
Gay Bars and Gay pride marches are banned.
Homosexual media is banned e.g. gay papers and TV programmes.
Homosexuals can be discriminated against on the basis of their orientation by Employers and Landlords.
The state does not provide basic healthcare for homosexual citizens.

It should be noted these things are only restrictions as homosexual acts are legal between consenting individuals in PRIVATE.

Why does it matter what people are doing in their bedrooms, if they want a job in the government, why do gays and lesbians not deserve healthcare? They are, slani-ji-slani, people like you and I! There is no reason for discriminate anyhow between them and heterosexuals.

The other problem you fail to take into account is the effect it will have on individual freedoms. It will breach people's human rights. Just because you disagree with something doesn't mean it should be banned....

By restrictions I mean they do not have the same rights as heterosexuals in most areas.

The major restrictions in Raging Lunatics are:

Open homosexuals cannot obtain Government jobs.
Homosexual acts of any kind are banned in public.
Gay Bars and Gay pride marches are banned.
Homosexual media is banned e.g. gay papers and TV programmes.
Homosexuals can be discriminated against on the basis of their orientation by Employers and Landlords.
The state does not provide basic healthcare for homosexual citizens.

It should be noted these things are only restrictions as homosexual acts are legal between consenting individuals in PRIVATE.
Ah, I see. You don't wish to have a chilling effect people's freedoms or breach human rights, so you're willing to let people do whatever they want in the privacy of their own homes, as long as they're willing to accept second-class citizenship with lowered employment prospects, no healthcare, poor housing, and laws against their social life.

If you treated your political opposition this way, would you not feel that that chilled freedoms and breached human rights?

Sincerely,
Miranda Googleplex
United Nations Ambassador
Community of Gurthark

The Government should not have a say in this matter

It's rather odd, isn't it, that most of the posting on the topic of "Decent Sexuality" seem to relate to homosexuality in one form or another? Aren't there other forms of sexuality to consider as well? What about bestiality, or necrophilia, or just plan old-fashioned adultery?

It seems to us that most of the proponents of "sexual morality" are really just on an anti-gay kick. The best way to demonstrate one's heterosexuality is not to bash gays, but simply to practise it as often as possible.

It's rather odd, isn't it, that most of the posting on the topic of "Decent Sexuality" seem to relate to homosexuality in one form or another? Aren't there other forms of sexuality to consider as well? What about bestiality, or necrophilia, or just plan old-fashioned adultery?

It seems to us that most of the proponents of "sexual morality" are really just on an anti-gay kick. The best way to demonstrate one's heterosexuality is not to bash gays, but simply to practise it as often as possible.

It's homosexuals that start the decent folks down the road to perversion. Gays started porongraphy. There was once only one hetro act an then the homos introudced oral and anal sodomy which no God fearing man and woman would have ever thought of on their own. Gays can't marry, so the live together in sin and that caused many unmarried men and women to do the same. Sex toys were designed for queer men to use on themselves, then while using them to convert straight men, passed on the idea for use in women too, which is disgusting to use anything in man/woman intercourse other then the designated parts.

Gays have corruped the innocents of the world by making sex the priority! They also cause diseases which can only be caught by sex like aids/herpes (which are the same thing) cancer and can be caught just by breathin the same air they have.

So stop being so ignorant and naieve, people.
Sex only in marriage and only for reproduction.

It's homosexuals that start the decent folks down the road to perversion. Gays started porongraphy. There was once only one hetro act an then the homos introudced oral and anal sodomy which no God fearing man and woman would have ever thought of on their own. Gays can't marry, so the live together in sin and that caused many unmarried men and women to do the same. Sex toys were designed for queer men to use on themselves, then while using them to convert straight men, passed on the idea for use in women too, which is disgusting to use anything in man/woman intercourse other then the designated parts.

So stop being so ignorant and naieve, people.
Sex only in marriage and only for reproduction.

okay , Pornography is as old as humanity, so is homosexuality that dosent mean one started the other.

second Whats with God fearing men? god is not something you fear, God is something you love (well if you beleive in god anyway)

Gay's cant marry because you dont let em, i Canada (the real nation) Gay marriages have been permitted as a consequence Gay married (or engaged) couples now proportionaly outnumber Hetero married couples

As for sex being only for reproduction, well okay if thats what you want but dont impose your beleifs on other people

-Pascal Leduc

Help stop illicit sexual activity and support the Decent Sexuality Reform Act. This outlaws deviant behaviour and will protect the youth of our world. Do not let the left wing perverts rape and corrupt our young. Sex is for PROcreation not RECreation! The morality of decent folks needs to be protected. Sex after marriage between a man and a woman human and for reproduction ONLY!

Support the Decent Sexuality Reform Act

Save you childern, protect society.


The Great Nation of Putergeeks stands firmly against this Act.

Poor you not understanding the joy of life and sex being a lovely part thereof. Sexual liberation does not mean that you can hurt anyone, child or adult unless that adult wants to be hurt.

:wink: Don't need to say much more do I except that such proposals should be deleted directly and not discussed

It's rather odd, isn't it, that most of the posting on the topic of "Decent Sexuality" seem to relate to homosexuality in one form or another? Aren't there other forms of sexuality to consider as well? What about bestiality, or necrophilia, or just plan old-fashioned adultery?

It seems to us that most of the proponents of "sexual morality" are really just on an anti-gay kick. The best way to demonstrate one's heterosexuality is not to bash gays, but simply to practise it as often as possible.

It's homosexuals that start the decent folks down the road to perversion. Gays started porongraphy. There was once only one hetro act an then the homos introudced oral and anal sodomy which no God fearing man and woman would have ever thought of on their own. Gays can't marry, so the live together in sin and that caused many unmarried men and women to do the same. Sex toys were designed for queer men to use on themselves, then while using them to convert straight men, passed on the idea for use in women too, which is disgusting to use anything in man/woman intercourse other then the designated parts.

Gays have corruped the innocents of the world by making sex the priority! They also cause diseases which can only be caught by sex like aids/herpes (which are the same thing) cancer and can be caught just by breathin the same air they have.

So stop being so ignorant and naieve, people.
Sex only in marriage and only for reproduction.

...... since when was cancer a communicable disease..... and AIDS and herpes are 2 completely different diseases..... and oral sex was originated by heterosexual men to prove dominance IE: The strongest guy defeats a weaker one in battle and forces him to give a bj to prove he is the strongest.... So many false statements.... So little time to correct them all....

It's homosexuals that start the decent folks down the road to perversion. Gays started porongraphy. There was once only one hetro act an then the homos introudced oral and anal sodomy which no God fearing man and woman would have ever thought of on their own. Gays can't marry, so the live together in sin and that caused many unmarried men and women to do the same. Sex toys were designed for queer men to use on themselves, then while using them to convert straight men, passed on the idea for use in women too, which is disgusting to use anything in man/woman intercourse other then the designated parts.

Gays have corruped the innocents of the world by making sex the priority! They also cause diseases which can only be caught by sex like aids/herpes (which are the same thing) cancer and can be caught just by breathin the same air they have.

So stop being so ignorant and naieve, people.
Sex only in marriage and only for reproduction.

Homosexuals don't make sex a top-priority in general. But since sex is the only thing in which homo- and heterosexuals differ, it is just seen like this. You ar not arguing, but merely bashing on gays and lesbians.

And still I do not know, why sex should concern the state.

...Innocence is a joke. Innocence is ignorance, ignorance is stupidity. It is *NOT* something to be valued.

Anyway.

A person being gay does not affect heterosexual people, so there is no reason why it should not be allowed. The main thing here is just homophobia. Heterosexual people, especially males, often see discriminating against homosexual people as some kind of way to prove their own sexuality.

The thing is, these people are more often than not simply hypocrites, since what fuels their hatred is often denial when they in fact have gay tendancies themselves. They consciously or subconsciously try to make sure they are seen as not liking anything homosexual so that others might not see they are in fact just in denial.

Homosexuals invented sex toys, oral and anal sex? :lol: Someone is clearly very un-educated.
But then religious fundamentalists usually are, substituting facts and knowledge for blind belief in something that is not true.

Those things have been around since forever, homosexuality is nothing to do with that, the reason those exist is because of all sexualities of both sexes' desire to experiment and keep variety in the act of sex.

This proposal is a joke, any nation government with an ounce of sense should ignore it.

Gays started pornography.

Hurrah for gays! :lol:

Open homosexuals cannot obtain Government jobs.
This is evil and immoral.
Homosexual acts of any kind are banned in public.
This is evil and immoral.
Gay Bars and Gay pride marches are banned.
This is evil and immoral.
Homosexual media is banned e.g. gay papers and TV programmes.
This is evil and immoral.
Homosexuals can be discriminated against on the basis of their orientation by Employers and Landlords.
Good for you. Every other nation should follow suit on this.
The state does not provide basic healthcare for homosexual citizens.
Good for you. Now if you just got rid of state-funded healthcare for everyone else as well you'd be on the right track. Every other nation should then follow suit on this.

While our nation questions the importance of rights and freedoms as being essential to happiness and a good life, we must agree that the UN does hold certain rights to be self-evident and important. While believe most if not all sexual acts are immoral, we feel that it is the right of the individual to decide what and what is not moral as long as these acts do not incringe in other people's rights . Rape (non-consensual sex) of any kind for example is not permissible according to our system of rights but homosexuality and premarital sex is. Our nation would like people to hold the virtue of chastity in their hearts but believe it is their right to choose how they value sex.

Laugh all you want to. The people of my nation are moral and chaste. When your homsexual feces urine filled sex with corpses of your loved ones and your family pets causes your societies to crumble and fall, I will stand in judgement and I will rule!

Thank you for supporting our cause.

Um, if you really are such a religion nut, shouldn't you know better than to judge?

Also the proud workers of Stahl Vereint are proud of their complete lack of laws governing sex, and the national government brings in 20% of its forign trade through sale of space on our unregulated webservers! Our openness on the subject has led our nation to have an extremely low infidelity rate.

Lastly, our children do not engage in dangerous, unsupervised experimentation behind closed doors and without protection. Because of our openess, and our peoples tradition of swimming nude, the youth of our nation are relatively uninterested by the opposite sex, having been raised in a society that fully exposes itself.