NationStates Jolt Archive

We must support the UN Resolution "Voter's Freedoms of Choice". The governments authority derives from the sacred agreements states share with the people. Governments cannot legitimately represent their citizens when there is no popularly sovereignty!

This is a Resolution that ensures that elections are not unduly intimidated by the government from threats of physical harm and mental anguish. We must all support this resolution to further better the democratic process.

States authority originates from the People, and in no way can that relationship be de-legitimized and there still be a lawful government.

The Empire of Rooman

The governments authority derives from the sacred agree states share with the people. Governments cannot legitimately represent their citizens when the people have withdrawn their popularly sovereignty!

What? The who-what on the what now? Did anyone else have no idea what this says?

In rebuttal, the Aegonian citizens have countered with, "We are what not we can or cannot be!"

When the government is no longer of the people, by the people, and for the people, the governemnt no longer has any lawful authority over the people. Demacracies are representative- remember? You are not running the country personally, you are running the country for the people in their best interests- or at least should be!! The citizens are at the core of the system! They entrust us to, the states, to make decisions in their best interest- how can they expect us to do that when they cannot have a free elections to voice their concerns.

Too many governments ignore the will of the people and pretend to be their representatives, instead acting in self interest. People must not be afraid to vote their conscience and not fear from repercussions!

Or does the Holy Republic of Aegonia not represent its people- does Aegonis make decisions based on its interests and not its citizens. The Empire of Rooman wonders how such a nation as Aegonia could not understand the fundementals of the democratic system.

The Empire of Rooman wonders how such a nation as Aegonia could not understand the fundementals of the democratic system.

Aegonia and the Aegonian people fully understand the constructs of a democratic government. The Empire of Rooman needs to learn how to construct a sentence.

When the government is no longer of the people, by the people, and for the people, the governemnt no longer has any lawful authority over the people. Demacracies are representative- remember? You are not running the country personally, you are running the country for the people in their best interests- or at least should be!!

YARRR!! SPEAK FOR YESELF, LANDLUBBER!!! I BE CAPTAIN OF ME BAND OF CUTTHROATS BECAUSE I BE A BETTER SHOT WITH A MUSKET AND BETTER AT SWINGIN' A CUTLASS!! AND BECAUSE I KNOW WHERE LOTS OF TREASURE BE!! DEMOCRACY IS FOR SCURVY DOGS, YE HEAR ME??

Rooman is ranked 1st in the region and 15,596th in the world for Most Politically Apathetic Citizens.

You've got a great "demacracy" there, Rooman... apparently all of 16 people showed up to vote in your last election. Whose government isn't representative of the people?

Good attempt. I say let it pass and see how the votes turn out. Put the chance that is passes in real on about 0% and here about the same. :D Though we are probably over represented by the richer westerns who have a computer :P. When the world is ready, the world will be ready.

Afcourse that doesn't stop all the hassle of WHAT counts as a democracy. etc. etc.

Nor that it is another attempt of dominating the world with some other fancy western ideal, which frankly sometimes can be considered quite questionable.

After all, taken over from some greek which name I don't remember,"a democracy is the worst of all good governments".

Nor the fact that every government only exists because it is supported by a large enough group of people. Afterall they as long as they don't over throw it it is still there government. You could say democracy is just a fancy and less voilent way of overthrowing the government ;).

But I say by all means throw it to a vote and see how it gets rejected.

ps. The fact that you called it only strong suggest you see accept the fact that it pretty much will only be a UN token resolution. Not much expecting anybody will follow it though :P.

I am afraid that this law will only pass (at least in real) when almost every country in the world is a proper democracy. Horse behind the car :P. Though it would have had a great impact on future states and gives strong superpowers more excuses to invade nations :P.

Rooman,
Think about it, when you force democracy on a dictatorship you become the dictator in the process. This is why the US doesn't go to war with a country just because of the type of government they have. It is against the ideals of democracy to do what you are proposing. I am a supporter of the democratic system and cannot support this type of a plan. Maybe you should consider a proposal that gaurantees fair treatment of the peoples of all Nations. It is not up to you or me how a Nation's leader comes into power.
Pops.

States authority originates from the People, and in no way can that relationship be de-legitimized and there still be a lawful government.
This is patently untrue. Since ancient times it has been recognised that sovereignty and sovereign authority is the personal perogative of princes. This abstract notion of "the people" have no role in the matter. The sovereign may devolve all or part of his authority to a body democratically elected by the people, but the fact remains that this authority is his and his alone. It originates not from his subjects, but from him, and as such, the authority of a rightful prince may never be de-legitimised.

ANDREUS I IMP. PANTOCRATORIA

Rooman,
Think about it, when you force democracy on a dictatorship you become the dictator in the process.

HEAR HEAR. While New Clarkhall supports a government of the people, for the people, and by the people, we don't require that from everyone.

Out greatest philosophers have long concluded that NO nation, no dictator, no tyrant, can reign without at least the tacit consent of his/her/their people. The simple fact is, some societies prefer greater or lesser involvement of their population in their government.

The people of Nation A might demand they they be consulted for everything, from funding weapons construction to figuriing out what constitutes a safe intake of salt. Likewise, the people of Nation B might simply not care and be completely satisfied with letting their government be in the hands of a sole monarch. The people of both nations might be incredibly happy and incredibly free (after all, democracies aren't the only governments to allow free speech).

The UN has no business dictating what government a nation can and cannot have. Is the UN going to descend into tyranny to enforce such a resolution?

There is some stuff in the subject "freedom??", that touches this subject too.