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The United Nations Libertarian Caucus is designed to allow libertarian nations in the United Nations to band together to get worthy legislation passed and resist the clique of socialist wanna-be despots and fascist actual despots who seem to rule the UN. It is open to all United Nations members who consider themself libertarian. Simply post here to join.

Libertarianism is a political philosophy about minimizing the role of government to that of a "night watchman", thus securing the rights of the people from oppression and maxmizing individual liberties.

Civil freedoms are the most important to us. Economic freedoms are also extremely important because they are the tool by which civil freedoms are secured. Political freedoms, while also important, are more prone to abuse... nations with corrupted political freedoms may vote away their rights and digress into a statist and authoritarian tyranny of the majority.

We also believe in rule of law, extensive due process, free trade, Western values, inalienable rights, non-aggression, open borders, and toleration.

In the game, the three true libertarian nation categories are Anarchy, Capitalizt, and Civil Rights Lovefest, though nations in other categories can also be considered libertarian to a slightly lesser degree.

"The trouble with fighting for human liberty is that one spends most of his time defending scoundrels, for it is against scoundrels that oppression is first targeted, and oppression must be stopped at its source if it is to be stopped at all."
--HL Mencken

I consider myself libertarian but disagree with your definitions, am I allowed to join?

sign me up! i've been waiting for this :D

Libertarians unite!

You support restricting free speech, prostitution, gambling, and enterprise.

What definition are you using?

You support restricting free speech, prostitution, gambling, and enterprise.

What definition are you using?


LIBERTARIAN: one who believes in freedom of action and thought; one who believes in free will.

SOCIALISM: a social system in which the producers possess both political power and the means of producing and distributing goods.

Just taking those two first definitions and fusing them yields:

LIBERTARIAN SOCIALISM: a social system which believes in freedom of action and thought and free will, in which the producers possess both political power and the means of producing and distributing goods.

As for prostitution, in exploiting the prostitute you are infringing on their rights/freedom from exploitation. Where have I said I support restricting free speech? You have made this claim before I believe.

You support restricting free speech, prostitution, gambling, and enterprise.

What definition are you using?


LIBERTARIAN: one who believes in freedom of action and thought; one who believes in free will.

SOCIALISM: a social system in which the producers possess both political power and the means of producing and distributing goods.

Just taking those two first definitions and fusing them yields:

LIBERTARIAN SOCIALISM: a social system which believes in freedom of action and thought and free will, in which the producers possess both political power and the means of producing and distributing goods.

As for prostitution, in exploiting the prostitute you are infringing on their rights/freedom from exploitation. Where have I said I support restricting free speech? You have made this claim before I believe.

Or you could use an actual dictionary that isn't affiliated with a political ideology. Dictionary.com:

"One who advocates maximizing individual rights and minimizing the role of the state."

You support restricting free speech, prostitution, gambling, and enterprise.

What definition are you using?


LIBERTARIAN: one who believes in freedom of action and thought; one who believes in free will.

SOCIALISM: a social system in which the producers possess both political power and the means of producing and distributing goods.

Just taking those two first definitions and fusing them yields:

LIBERTARIAN SOCIALISM: a social system which believes in freedom of action and thought and free will, in which the producers possess both political power and the means of producing and distributing goods.

As for prostitution, in exploiting the prostitute you are infringing on their rights/freedom from exploitation. Where have I said I support restricting free speech? You have made this claim before I believe.

Or you could use an actual dictionary that isn't affiliated with a political ideology. Dictionary.com:

"One who advocates maximizing individual rights and minimizing the role of the state."

That one will do too, anarchists aren't generally too keen on the state and tend to like the individual rights thing. Doesn't say anything about capitalism or the "right" to private property does it?

edit: is the American Heritage Dictionary (where anarchist faq gets its definitions) affiliated with any ideology?

Well since you have to use state power to get rid of private property and property if the maximization of rights, I think it's implied...

Well since you have to use state power to get rid of private property and property if the maximization of rights, I think it's implied...

Anarchists don't like any state. I believe the idea is to take power by means of violent revolution and destroy capitalism somehow, I am not sure on the specifics because I am tired and my eye is bleeding.

I still rather like the democratic socilism thing anyway, though it is slightly less libertarian, the end result is stateless so more libertarian than the crap you support. Now I think I shall sleep or get new eyes perhaps. If I remember I may post a proper response tomorrow but bleh.

socialism... Where did you get the definition for that one? According to Marx, socialism is teh step of change to communism; in which there is a dictator and the state starts to take the products of all the people and distribute them (in ways such as health care, welfare, and social security... all of these are in a way distributing the productivity of the people)... i don't see the angle which your definition comes from...

Wolomy, why don't you just start your own Impoverished Totalitarian Collectivist Caucus? You're no more Libertarian than you are Martian.

Wolomy, why don't you just start your own Impoverished Totalitarian Collectivist Caucus? You're no more Libertarian than you are Martian.

The ITCC.... that does have a nice ring to it. :)