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This is a draft resolution for the UN. Please feel free to leave comments. Thank you.

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In response to a growing militarism and arming of satellites in space and encroaching encounters with belligerent air forces, we, the nations of the world, issue this declaration:

- That no nation, corporate entity, organization, or individual ("entity") shall create or send any artificial object ("satellite") capable of housing or launching any nuclear, biological, chemical, or any other weapon of mass destruction.

- That no entity may use any satellite to attack, disable, or otherwise interfere with the operation of any other satellite, unless the safety and security of the world depends on its removal from service.

- That a nation’s air defense zone be defined as any airspace that lies over a nation’s terrestrial possessions (including any overseas colonies and dependencies), plus airspace over any body of water that is up to 120 miles from the coast of that nation. If two or more nations have agreed on a maritime boundary, that shall form the boundary of the air defense zone. All air defense zones shall have an upper boundary of 75,000 feet. No nation’s aircraft may enter any other nation’s air defense zone unless:
a) Both nations have previously agreed to terms that permits a nation’s aircraft into the other nation’s zone
b) Upon reaching the boundary of the other nation’s air defense zone, the aircraft shall contact the other nation by radio or other means and request permission to enter the other nation’s air defense space and the other nation permits it.

-Should an aircraft breach a foreign nation’s air defense zone without permission by the host country, the host nation may, failing to contact the offending craft or its owner, force the craft down by any means necessary without destruction of the craft. If the offending aircraft shows clear hostile intentions, the host nation may use force to prevent the offending craft from carrying out the threat by any means necessary.

The Most Holy Republic of Eredron would not give this draft resolution its support if submitted to the United Nations.

I have not discussed this issue with the others in my region who have selected me as their UN delegate, but I as an individual nation would support this and would hope my region would allow me to endorse this as well.

Anyone know how long, after a proposal is submitted, it has to achieve quorum and be voted on by the UN?

I believe that it is four days, including the day you submited it on.

-New Clarkhall.

I no delegate but I would consider this to be a worthty proposal as it limits the possibilites of launching WMDs as well as guaranties every nations right to defend its airspace if they comes to such threats.

Armed sattelites are an integral part of our national defense, and we do not feel it would be in our best interest to dismantle them. Thus, we will never support this resolution. We suggest it should instead concentrate on ICBMs. ICBMs are more common than armed sattelites, and thus pose more of a threat to the nations of the world.

Office of the Governor

I'll consider it, but please, do not spam my inbox.

It has no effect, and when I get a spare moment I delete all "honorable delegate" telegrams without reading them anymore, so it will accomplish nothing.

- That no entity may use any satellite to attack, disable, or otherwise interfere with the operation of any other satellite, unless the safety and security of the world depends on its removal from service.


Question: who determines if "the safety and security of the world" is threatened, and are their any guidelines?

Paula Glynne
Primate for Relations
Carver States

It's an odd thought but that completely crushes any hope of a space program.

Stop this right now!!!!

WMD's need to be developed and used!!!!

Ronald Oswego
Armed President of Abkhajia

Stop this right now!!!!

WMD's need to be developed and used!!!!

Ronald Oswego
Armed President of Abkhajia

Check your nation's Telegrams, you have a message

THAT WOULD BE AN OOC.

I only can agree in part while I believe nuclear warfare is cowardly and all nuclear weapons should be dismantled and banned we should be able to have weapons in space especially if a hord of astoroids was headed for my nation I would like to be able to stop thus from a disaster. I think satellites help the planet mre then destroy it and I think many would agree with this. I do agree that nuclear weapons in space should be destroyed. So I do suggest that you revise this proposal or I will have to vote against it.

Lant Tyrantis

"That no nation, corporate entity, organization, or individual ("entity") shall create or send any artificial object ("satellite") capable of housing or launching any nuclear, biological, chemical, or any other weapon of mass destruction"

A beer can can hold a nuclear, biological OR chemical weapon... It doesn't take much.

By limiting that, NO ONE can go into space to repair their satellites. They can't even send any more into space. That is bad.

Sorry, I have to vote against this. Blamgolia's satellite network helps provide communications, both to our Space Station, and our Lunar Colony. We can't abide not being able to send out more, or being unable to repair and upgrade the ones we have.

A beercan filled with anthrax would burn up when reentering the atmosphere.
American beer would be a WMD in any case :wink:

It is not that hard to say what should be illegal and what should be, and most people with common sense would be able to tell the difference.

The goal of the proposal is admirable, but as drafted it is overbroad and would prohibit too many peaceful purposes and designs.

We, too, do not support this resolution, as even though we haven't built satellites yet, we do plan on building them soon.

- That no nation, corporate entity, organization, or individual ("entity") shall create or send any artificial object ("satellite") capable of housing or launching any nuclear, biological, chemical, or any other weapon of mass destruction.
If I launch a penny into space, and it fell into the atmosphere, it might survive long enough to hit an airplane, thus making it a 'weapon of mass destruction'. :P

- That no entity may use any satellite to attack, disable, or otherwise interfere with the operation of any other satellite, unless the safety and security of the world depends on its removal from service.
So, if I'm a space nation, and I have a starship and a starbase in orbit around a planet, I can't have the starship hail the starbase, since that might interfere with the operation of the starbase (perhaps by drawing a few microwatts of power from the starbase)? :roll:

- That a nation’s air defense zone be defined as any airspace that lies over a nation’s terrestrial possessions (including any overseas colonies and dependencies), plus airspace over any body of water that is up to 120 miles from the coast of that nation. If two or more nations have agreed on a maritime boundary, that shall form the boundary of the air defense zone. All air defense zones shall have an upper boundary of 75,000 feet.
So I can't prevent my enemy from attacking me with a bomber that flys at an altitude of, say, 80,000 feet? Oh, wait a minute, I can, since I can't enforce this resolution, since it violates the Metric System resolution. ;)

No nation’s aircraft may enter any other nation’s air defense zone unless:
a) Both nations have previously agreed to terms that permits a nation’s aircraft into the other nation’s zone
b) Upon reaching the boundary of the other nation’s air defense zone, the aircraft shall contact the other nation by radio or other means and request permission to enter the other nation’s air defense space and the other nation permits it.

-Should an aircraft breach a foreign nation’s air defense zone without permission by the host country, the host nation may, failing to contact the offending craft or its owner, force the craft down by any means necessary without destruction of the craft. If the offending aircraft shows clear hostile intentions, the host nation may use force to prevent the offending craft from carrying out the threat by any means necessary.
Returning to my 'bomber-at-80,000-feet' scenario...
If the bomber that is not in my air defense zone drops a bomb into my air defense zone, I cannot destroy it, since a bomb cannot have intentions, and unless the aircraft has hostile intentions, I cannot destroy it. I can, however, force this bomb down into whoever's territory I want without violating the rest of this resolution, since I would be authorized to use 'any means necessary'. :twisted:

- That no nation, corporate entity, organization, or individual ("entity") shall create or send any artificial object ("satellite") capable of housing or launching any nuclear, biological, chemical, or any other weapon of mass destruction.
the other nation’s air defense space and the other nation permits it.



As our esteemed colleagues have also noted, this section is unacceptable. Perhaps if it was rewritten(see below) the Eredron Republic would find this proposal more acceptable:

"That no nation, corporate entity, organization, or individual ("entity") shall create or send any artificial object ("satellite") with the intent of housing or launching any nuclear, biological, chemical, or any other weapon of mass destruction from said object"

Yeah, something like that would probably work better.

From that height, a rock could wipe out huge cities...

From that height, a rock could wipe out huge cities...

If it made it through entry of the atmosphere.

From that height, a rock could wipe out huge cities...

If it made it through entry of the atmosphere.

Exactly. I think there may be enough junk orbiting to do it.

Nevertheless, what is the position of the UN body pertaining to this resolution, with the modification made by the Eredron UN envoy?

OK, so with Eredon's admendment, it now becomes this:

In response to a growing militarism and arming of satellites in space and encroaching encounters with belligerent air forces, we, the nations of the world, issue this declaration:

- That no nation, corporate entity, organization, or individual ("entity") shall create or send any artificial object ("satellite") with the intent of housing or launching any nuclear, biological, chemical, or any other weapon of mass destruction from said satellite.

- That no entity may use any satellite to attack, disable, or otherwise malevolently interfere with the operation of any other satellite, unless the safety and security of the world depends on its removal from service or the owner of the satellite gives permission.

- That a nation’s air defense zone be defined as any airspace that lies over a nation’s terrestrial possessions (including any overseas colonies and dependencies), plus airspace over any body of water that is up to 120 miles from the coast of that nation. If two or more nations have agreed on a maritime boundary, that shall form the boundary of the air defense zone. All air defense zones shall have an upper boundary of 75,000 feet. No nation’s aircraft may enter any other nation’s air defense zone unless:
a) Both nations have previously agreed to terms that permits a nation’s aircraft into the other nation’s zone
b) Upon reaching the boundary of the other nation’s air defense zone, the aircraft shall contact the other nation by radio or other means and request permission to enter the other nation’s air defense space and the other nation permits it.

-Should an aircraft breach a foreign nation’s air defense zone without permission by the host country, the host nation may, failing to contact the offending craft or its owner, force the craft down by any means necessary without destruction of the craft. If the offending aircraft shows clear hostile intentions, the host nation may use force to prevent the offending craft from carrying out the threat by any means necessary.

The Rogue Nation of Futplex strongly favors the rights of satellites to bear arms and thus must OPPOSE this resolution in the STRONGEST POSSIBLE TERMS.

Sincerely,
The Rogue Nation of Futplex

From that height, a rock could wipe out huge cities...

The Father Brown story "The Hammer of God" by G.K. Chesterton has a premise like this.

OK, I made the proposal on the presumption that the level of technology is modern day's. Once we have space colonies and such, the entire premise looks shaky at best. What do you guys propose should be done about this?

Hehehe, I read somewhere in Warhammer 40K about why using metorits to kill off a planet was a highly inefficent and expensiv method, compared to just nuke them or releasing a viral virus. :lol: