NationStates Jolt Archive

Most excellent, another resolution fails!

12-10-2003, 01:54
"Out of the last four proposals that have reached a quorum, three have failed. This brings us great pleasure as it emphasizes the need for two things:

1. Higher percentage of endorsements, perhaps all the way up to the original 10%, since many of the previous resolutions have been liked only by a few delegates, and have wasted much time and debate and ultimately FAILED: If more endorsements are necessary, then resolutions that come to a vote have a greater chance of passing and all irrelevant proposals can never waste time and space by being brought to a vote by the whole UN.

2. Less time for proposals to get endorsements: This is necessary because so many proposals are often put before the UN Delegates, and with pages and pages of special interest/frivilous/impossible to pass resolutions, any good proposals become lost in the chaos. I remember from my days as UN Delegate of "Elitist Disdain" that I never had the time nor the inclination of reading so many proposals and I doubt that other delegates care as well. If we limit the time, there would be less proposals to consider, and the diamond shine of good resolutions would be bright enough for all to endorse!

3. Increasing the number of endorsements necessary for a UN proposal, or perhaps even forcing all proposals to be made by the UN regional delegate:
This is necessary since any nation, with two other UN members in the region, can spew out a large supply of useless resolutions, taking up space and burying good proposals! If more endorsements were needed, or if only the delegate got to submit proposals (any good delegate would forward her region's proposals,) then it would show that the nation is involved enough to either get many endorsements or the Delegate's help in a resolution. With fewer resolutions, those that are good get more coverage, and we all win!

Please consider these ideas and make comments!
12-10-2003, 02:46
I would have supported the last one if it wasn't free trade. Sadly for now at least TGM will not be able to submit any more poorly disguised neo-liberal propaganda to the UN. Isn't that a shame?
The Global Market
12-10-2003, 02:47
I would have supported the last one if it wasn't free trade. Sadly for now at least TGM will not be able to submit any more poorly disguised neo-liberal propaganda to the UN. Isn't that a shame?

You know I'm rejoining the UN....
12-10-2003, 04:58
Wolomy has hit on the right note TGM.

Some of your recent proposals may have been passed were it not for your constant attempt to couch each in the rather nitpicking form of anarchy (analchy?) that seems to turn you on.

Hint: try and get the initial crux of the idea through (ie, support for Genetic Remodeling) then fight to identify it's use and governance, or lack of. That is, find some common ground first then argue the detail.

The desparate attempt to push the looney-right barrow all the time only serves to marginalise what would otherwise have been quite acceptable proposals.

Perhaps this is a failing of the proposal system (I'm really not sure here) but compromise and amendments at the endorsement stage may see a lot more reasonable proposals being passed with bipartisan support.
12-10-2003, 05:08
I guess I don't understand why every proposal that comes before the UN needs to pass. If the UN becomes a body that passes any legislation that comes before it, then it becomes no better than a puppet enslaved to the 6% percent of delegates that put that legislation in front of the UN.
Please correct me if i'm wrong...
12-10-2003, 06:54
Not every proposal needs to pass... that is true, but the fact that so many have recently failed underlines the points I described above... remember also that I have asked that the proposal endorsements increase to 10%.
12-10-2003, 07:17
12-10-2003, 07:18
I understand your point...

Consider me the Devil's Advocate. It would make sense if more often than not the propositions that went before the UN were to pass. The UN then would be better able to govern its member nations.

However, I am of the opinion that increasing the percentage needed to bring a proposition to a vote before the UN would increase the chance that there will never be any legislation presented that would fail. With a constituency as large as NS's is, noone will always be happy with legislation that comes to the board. Sometimes, proposals brought up are just plain unpopular. These proposals should be voted down, as a testament to democracy.

The fact that so many recently have failed is not a testament to the fact that the system doesn't work.

Completely the opposite is true: the system is working as it should. If a minority of people manage to get a proposition into the voting docket, and it gets voted down by the majority, that is not wasted time, it is democracy in action.
12-10-2003, 07:19
double post, but gone now
12-10-2003, 07:20
(aarrrrg....double post)
(sorry all, *kicks computer*)
12-10-2003, 07:31
I would have supported the last one if it wasn't free trade. Sadly for now at least TGM will not be able to submit any more poorly disguised neo-liberal propaganda to the UN. Isn't that a shame?

You know I'm rejoining the UN....

Since many whole regions just vote « no » when a proposal is from you, that would be a waste of time. In Roilwachhs we have Communists, Capitalists, Anarchists, Theologists ... And surprisingly enough all of then DO agree on a point : all of your proposals have proven to be severely flawed, unsure or ridiculous, and thus now are to be denied just in a mesure of safety. Seems your obsolescence have began.
12-10-2003, 10:57
It's worth remembering that proposals can only be made my delegates with at least 3 endorsements, thus effectively barring all the single nations or 2-country regions from making proposals or doing very anything interesting at all, really.

Thus, they're not nearly as likely to even SEE an endorsement until it's up for vote, at which point I suspect most people resort to the idiom of "When in doubt, say NO."

Since most of the people playing this game AREN'T RPing, they don't understand that 90% of the UN's resolutions don't apply anyway.

What bothers me is logging in and seeing "There are no resolutions currently at vote." Come on, you guys can do better than that- the next proposal should be up the minute the last one is decided.
12-10-2003, 18:07
The UN is overregulated now, and needs legislation to decrease the volume of laws now on the books. A "Sunset Law" would help.