Soverign Rights
The Belmore Family
09-10-2003, 16:02
It reads...
The title is soverign Rights
Description: QUESTION OF:SOVERIGN RIGHTS
SUBMITTED BY:THE BELMORE FAMILY
CO-SUBMITTED BY:
THE GENERAL ASSEMBALLY
Defines soverign rights as "the rights that nations should have and that can not be tampered on by any nation",
Realising that the UN must be a force to be reconed with
Defiant that there are some principles should not be tampered with,
Worried how some nations abuse Soverign rights
1. Affriming that all nations have the right to,
a. The government of every nation has the responsibility to act in a manner that does not harm its people and protects them from oppression from itself or any other body,
b. Use their land to anyway they deem fit,
c. Control their finance in anyway they deem fit,
d. Hold elections if they wish,
e. Defend themselves against invaders,
f. Promote any religion,
g. Control their military,
h. Run any education system they want;
2.Suggests that the soverign rights are limited to
a. A nation may not, without reasonable cause kill or seriously injure any person in their nation without cause say that they are running their government in the way they deem fit,
b. Nations may not use their land to kill or seriously injure people,
c. Nations may not remove individuals money without reasonable cause,
d. If a nation holds elections they must not be tampered with,
e. A nation does not have the soverign right to attack another nation,
f. A religion must not be forced, it must only be promoted,
g. The military must not kill or seriously injure an individual without cause,
h. The education system must not include an individual getting seriously injured or killed;
Approvals: 3 (Meallan, Boudica, Pauli Arabia)
Status: Lacking Support (requires 117 more approvals)
Voting Ends: Sun Oct 12 2003
The Belmore Family
09-10-2003, 16:02
Forgot to mention that it is on page 7.
The United Nations cannot pass a resolution limiting its own power--this counds as a "rule change" resolution.
See the thread, Before you make a proposal... (http://www.phpbb.com/)
Sincerely,
Javier Hootenany
Undersecretary to the United Nations Ambassador for NationStates Rules and Regulations
Community of Gurthark
The Belmore Family
09-10-2003, 16:32
The United Nations cannot pass a resolution limiting its own power--this counds as a "rule change" resolution.
See the thread, Before you make a proposal... (http://www.phpbb.com/)
Sincerely,
Javier Hootenany
Undersecretary to the United Nations Ambassador for NationStates Rules and Regulations
Community of Gurthark
I am mearly giving national rights.
The United Nations cannot pass a resolution limiting its own power--this counds as a "rule change" resolution.
See the thread, Before you make a proposal... (http://www.phpbb.com/)
Sincerely,
Javier Hootenany
Undersecretary to the United Nations Ambassador for NationStates Rules and Regulations
Community of Gurthark
I am mearly giving national rights.
When you grant rights to A, you are denying B the right to infrige upon them. Currently the United Nations has the power, for example, to prevent governments from "Us[ing] their land to anyway they deem fit" by passing Environmental resolutions. This resolution would deny the UN that power. Therefore, it attempts to limit the power of the UN.
Sincerely,
Javier Hootenany
Undersecretary to the United Nations Ambassador for NationStates Rules and Regulations
Community of Gurthark
The Belmore Family
09-10-2003, 16:52
The United Nations cannot pass a resolution limiting its own power--this counds as a "rule change" resolution.
See the thread, Before you make a proposal... (http://www.phpbb.com/)
Sincerely,
Javier Hootenany
Undersecretary to the United Nations Ambassador for NationStates Rules and Regulations
Community of Gurthark
I am mearly giving national rights.
When you grant rights to A, you are denying B the right to infrige upon them. Currently the United Nations has the power, for example, to prevent governments from "Us[ing] their land to anyway they deem fit" by passing Environmental resolutions. This resolution would deny the UN that power. Therefore, it attempts to limit the power of the UN.
Sincerely,
Javier Hootenany
Undersecretary to the United Nations Ambassador for NationStates Rules and Regulations
Community of Gurthark
Just to inform you, I took most of this of official UN charter and Nations must have rights aswell as people.
Actually by specifying the rights of nations you also are defining what sovereignty is. As such you are giving the UN the power to act within nations which are not meeting the pre-requisite for sovereignty.
In other words, A nation in violation of human rights, oppression and corruption may be acted upon.
This defines the the boundaries of sovereignty.
Although we in Gurthark have some issues with the UN Charter as applied to the NS-UN (see our responses in that thread), that is not the point. The UN Charter (as it applies to NationStates) is a document in the forum, not a UN proposition. People in the forum may make whatever requests or arguments about UN power that they please; however, the NS-UN is powerless to enforce these arguments. Enforcing them would amount to a rule change, and as specified in the FAQ, the NS-UN cannot change the rules of NationStates.
This effectively means that the United Nations cannot make declarations about its own scope. It cannot limit its power (by granting particular rights to sovreign nations), nor can it positively affirm powers to override sovreignity that it does not already have. Its power is fixed--it can infringe upon nations sovreignity to exactly the extent allowed by the "Resolution Categories," until such time as the moderators decide to change them.
Sincerely,
Javier Hootenany
Undersecretary to the United Nations Ambassador for NationStates Rules and Regulations
Community of Gurthark
The Belmore Family
09-10-2003, 18:05
(by granting particular rights to sovreign nations),
This bill aplies to all nations
(by granting particular rights to sovreign nations),
This bill aplies to all nations
"particular rights to sovreign nations", not "rights to particular sovreign nations."
Even if the bill applies to all nations, it grants them particular rights. It implies that the United Nations may not pass certain resolutions in the future. The United Nations cannot pass a resolution that implies that, because that would *change the game's rules*.
The Belmore Family
09-10-2003, 18:14
(by granting particular rights to sovreign nations),
This bill aplies to all nations
"particular rights to sovreign nations", not "rights to particular sovreign nations."
Even if the bill applies to all nations, it grants them particular rights. It implies that the United Nations may not pass certain resolutions in the future. The United Nations cannot pass a resolution that implies that, because that would *change the game's rules*.
No, but it is like all resolutions. Look at the tree planting resolution, It prevents you from submitting a resolution saying
"anyone may cut down as many trees as they like."
No, it does not. It enacts a law in all member countries. Future U.N. resolutions could enact contradictory laws in the same countries; generally, newer laws replace older ones.