NationStates Jolt Archive

A UN-style effort to explore space as a collective unit.

THis can be a golden opportunity for those nations that want to explore space and can afford only one component of a very expensive endeavor.

The inherent system is one of shared expense and reward. The greatest reward being the opportunity to explore space and, if the futre bears fruit, to visit other planets int eh solar system to further explore democracy.

Discuss.

It your resolution, you state that this will eliminate the "space race" as though that were a negative.

Is that your view?

The proposal goes far beyond space exploration - it proposes a universal collective for manufacturing, defense, and science. This would deprive all UN member states of their sovereignty! The so-called Space Initiative is really a subterfuge to establish global Communism.

The TNWSPITPATONDOSOTLian people take issue with this proposal due to its classification.
While we realise that there is no scientific classification available, we do not believe that a proposed space initiative should be a strong furtherment of democracy issue.

Furthermore, the people want to know whether or not any issue ever makes it to voting that is not submitted as 'strong'.

James John Jonston the Fifth
TNWSPITPATONDOSOTLian ambassador to the UN by right of bribery.

The proposal goes far beyond space exploration - it proposes a universal collective for manufacturing, defense, and science. This would deprive all UN member states of their sovereignty! The so-called Space Initiative is really a subterfuge to establish global Communism.

Lost Wages has similar concerns, who is being defended against and by whom?

I am not certain that a committee is the best way to explore space. Specifically a committee the size of the UN. I can see this resolution creating another buerrocracy that will spend more money on itself than the actual exploration of space.

Also I have concerns on the education that would be given to my children. Who decides the curriculum. Who decides the slant to take when teaching about space. What other items of education would be added to the space agenda.

I have not yet voted on this resolution, but I have grave concerns.

The Republic of Nolanavia would be more than happy, thrilled, even, to participate in an international space agency whose goal was the exploration of space, not the co-option of our education system and national defense. This resolution may be more indious than previous resolutions, like the Cato Acts or the Bill of No Rights (which was just rejected days ago).

A vote against this resolution is a vote for national soveriegnty.

Boudreaux Roux, Secretary of Education for File Gumbo, wonders about the effects of this act on education. First: the focus in education is already on science and math. What would a push like this do to our language and arts education programs, which are already on the back burner? Second: What does this "cradle to grave" imply? Will the government now be responsible for paying for the education of citizens for their entire lives? If so, who will be the teachers? Should the government truly be responsible for such a large amount of education, which should be the prerogative of the citizens?

What would a push like this do to our language and arts education programs, which are already on the back burner?

The ISI would in no way interfere with existing educational policies. Of any country.

Second: What does this "cradle to grave" imply?

As it stands now, space exploration is misshapen and not viewed as any one ideal. A cradle-to-grave education simply put would acknowledge space exploration as a serious venture that can be understood by all. A one-year old can be just as informed as an 80-year old on the ISI. A child might grow up to join ISI, a retiree might have some unforseen skill to offer the ISI. The ISI will not impose limits on whom it intends to reach.

Rigsmania is of the position that the members of the UN should not look outward when we are drowning in problems right here on Earth. These require our attention, effort, and money far more than the search for little green men. We believe that a consolidation of our technological and scientific communities would be laudable but more wisely used to fight poverty, disease, and environmental concerns. What should a child care about moonrocks when it has no food or father present?

The Principality of Puffinstuff cannot vote for the resolution because the resolution does not clarify whether participation with the ISI is mandatory or by choice. Furthermore, the resolution states that its purpose is "for better of democracy", yet it does not explain exactly how it betters democracy.

In addition, who will be paying for this "cradle-to-grave" education? Certainly not the UN, due to its inability to collect taxes per the "UN Taxation Ban" resolution passed in January. My assumption, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that all nations within the UN are required to place a space education curriculum within their schools at the nation's cost. This is hardly for the betterment of democracy, especially if the nation is a theocracy within the UN that does not approve of space exploration.

Gabriel Fitzgerald
Prime Minister of Puffinstuff

The People's Republic of Schim votes against this resolution.

The people of the Earth cannot afford the cost of space exploration while people are starving, and the Earth's natrual envronment is being destroyed. These issues must be completely dealt with by the UN before space exploration should even be concidered.

Der neue Weltordnung kommt!

Thats so true...

I change my vote!

The Free Land of Insomnomania wishes it be known that they will support the ISI provided that there are provisions for the sleepless nature of Insomnomaniacs as they may or may not be involved.

Insomnomania: If you want to participate,t hen there will be room. The ISI is for EVERYBODY who wishes to join.

This is a collective effort with no burden on a participating country's government.

Eli will vote against it. But of course Eli votes against anything being a curmudgeon of the most excellent vintage.

Competition makes the world go 'round, ya know. Ya puts all yer eggs in one basket like this and yer gonna end up with a whole lotta stale eggs. Ya keep the eggs in their diff'rent nests, then pretty soon ya gets a whole new flock of chickens. Follow?

'Sides, if'n man were meant to fly, God'd given us wings, or booster rockets, or whatever. Y'all wanna explore space, fine. But Alabammy's keepin' her feet firmly on the ground.

-Prez Billy Bob Hicklee

This is a collective effort with no burden on a participating country's government.

So who's footin' the bill?

I swear, a lotta ya folks is livin' in some sorta fairyland world where rules don't apply or somethin'.

-Prez Billy Bob Hicklee (again)

The nation of Mighty Hunters Packers is proud to vote for this resolution. One nation alone, no matter how large, powerful or rich can mount a total dedication to the conquest of space. It must be a unified planetary venture. Ex Astra Sciencia!

"2. Cradle-to-grave education for all to ensure future generations that space is no longer regarded as a folly, but as a serious opportunity to utilize. "

This is very confusing; why is it included and what does it have to do with the rest of the proposal?

I'm voting for the resolution as it will put forth a great future for mankind by being able to explore space.

The proposal goes far beyond space exploration - it proposes a universal collective for manufacturing, defense, and science. This would deprive all UN member states of their sovereignty! The so-called Space Initiative is really a subterfuge to establish global Communism.

How on Earth did you come to that conclusion, Mr. McCarthy?
What obvious right-wing propaganda. :roll:

"2. Cradle-to-grave education for all to ensure future generations that space is no longer regarded as a folly, but as a serious opportunity to utilize. "

This is very confusing; why is it included and what does it have to do with the rest of the proposal?

It was included so that people would be able to be educated about space so they know the benefits of it and so people would be educated enough to pass it down through generations.

The Un sucks and is inneficient. Why do I want my money wasted on another stupid UN program. The space race made it a compitition. Those of you who know something about the way of the world know that compitition makes things speed up.

The Un sucks and is inneficient. Why do I want my money wasted on another stupid UN program. The space race made it a compitition. Those of you who know something about the way of the world know that compitition makes things speed up.

Please reject the lastest proposal!

This proposal helps almost no one... for example, whatever space program you have now, including anything that may be used for defense ( :wink: :wink: Space based nuclear weapons...) or just a civilian program, will have to be placed under the evil control of the United Nations, in which every little member, including those who do not have space programs, will be able to run it as they please! You must vote against it!

As for those who do not have a space program, you should still vote against, as the costs of making a new space program are enormous, and you should instead focus on a national space program, making bilateral or poly-lateral agreements with other nations if you feel them necessary.

The proposal has no worth, is of little value, and is only proposed by someone who has dreams of a Star Trek based universe coming out of this... not going to happen!

The Empire of Smaptania already has a thriving space program and plans to establish a base on the Moon (or as we call it, Smaptania-2) by 2007. We have no need for this ISI.

This is a fine example of an effort which should be accomplished by voluntary international accord, like the Ariane. Make a public/private cooperative venture, an alliance, or a private corporation with shares sold internationally.

There is no need for the UN to shoulder this burden, especially the newer, weaker nations.

This is a collective effort with no burden on a participating country's government.

So who's footin' the bill?

I swear, a lotta ya folks is livin' in some sorta fairyland world where rules don't apply or somethin'.

-Prez Billy Bob Hicklee (again)

Your right Prezzy Bill,it will take billions of dollars to set it up on the ground before you even start to get off it.

RODIAN OF ORMROD.

We of the ARoM refuse to give our best and brightest over to a "New and Improved" version of the UN (in space).
If we are to explore and reach out into the stars it must be for economicly sound reasons or it must be a matter of survival. As is neither of these is true and therefore we of ARoM do not wish to put a single Gold Note into space for our childrens children or our children or anybody elses children.

The basic facts come down to this: Multi-Nation anythings cobled together out of Nations that do not agree on even basic principles of how to run things CANNOT work together for a larger project without undo friction and therefore undo waste of time, money, and man-power.

We urge to anybody who hears our call to not only vote NO on this but to also spread the word of the evils of the UN and all its Socialist ideals.

This has been an address from the High Lord Mongor XXIII

I'm all for space exploration. What's to lose except a couple of dollars?? If each nation in the U.N. contributes just a little of the money, we could have this ready soon.

I'm all for space exploration. What's to lose except a couple of dollars?? If each nation in the U.N. contributes just a little of the money, we could have this ready soon.

I'm all for space exploration. What's to lose except a couple of dollars?? If each nation in the U.N. contributes just a little of the money, we could have this ready soon.

The People's Republic of Schim votes against this resolution.

The people of the Earth cannot afford the cost of space exploration while people are starving, and the Earth's natrual envronment is being destroyed. These issues must be completely dealt with by the UN before space exploration should even be concidered.

Der neue Weltordnung kommt!

We cannot spend all of our money on getting a space exploraton started. If we go that our nations will die as no one will work to grow crops or fish or raise farm animals for food nor will anyone work on trying to fix the polution problems in areas as they will be studing or working for the space programs. The kingdom of Elmithra will not take part in this.

Yohoki, king of Elmithra

I'm all for space exploration. What's to lose except a couple of dollars?? If each nation in the U.N. contributes just a little of the money, we could have this ready soon.

A COUPLE OF DOLLARS? Some nations barely have money for food. Try to think of the other nations before your own.

Yohoki, King of Elmithra.

((btw please try not to spam XD))

We the people of Ghurkezie support the space exploration
Before we explore we should first build up a space defence program
who knows what we encounter and who says that all aliens are friendly.
Lets start by building a large defence station before we start exploring

We certainly hope that the nations of the world will cooperate to explore outer space, and feel that such exploration might get us to think of something larger than our own petty quarrels here on earth. However, we have some concerns about the resolution.

Most importantly, we are worried about the provision that mandates "cradle-to-grave education" to ensure that future generations regard space exploration not as a "folly" but as "a serious opportunity to utilize."

Ursoria already provides teaching in math, science, computer programming, and other fields associated with space exploration. But we feel that the purpose of education is to teach people HOW to think--not WHAT to think.

If we give our people critical skills needed to think rationally, logically and independently, they will be able to decide for themselves whether or not space exploration is a good idea, and (if they decide it is a good idea) how it can best be pursued.

The People's Republic of Pogue Mahone, which carries the votes of the great and free members of the Snopesian Archipelago, remains undecided. The people favor the spirit of the resolution, but have not yet been persuaded to vote either way.

As an aside, the people also do not favor resolutions that contain multiple misspellings and use of the word "utilize."

The Rogue Nation of Ravnoria is concerned about this ISI proposal.

The shared burden of the expense of the ISI is not acceptable to us. The proposal does not say how this expense will be shared. I do not want to see the smaller countries, such as ours, get shafted with a large bill for services that mean to advance the larger nations.

And this IS a means for larger nations to steal money from the smaller nations. Large nations can support their own space program. Why tap the entire UN for the money? So they can spend their money on something else!

The Nation of Ravnoria has NO interest in space exploration. DO NOT FOOT US WITH THE BILL!

I'm voting AGAINST... because I don't like the topic it falls under.

Had it been under something like "education," I would vote for it. But WHY is it for "the furtherment of democracy?" I don't want a democracy. Change the subject and I'll vote for it.

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I'm voting AGAINST... because I don't like the topic it falls under.

Had it been under something like "education," I would vote for it. But WHY is it for "the furtherment of democracy?" I don't want a democracy. Change the subject and I'll vote for it.

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With all the issues there are on earth you are seeking space exploration?! lok, we all know that the UN is a good space for debate and discussion of world issues but this is no enterprise to cheap in and get together and say "hey if all givea little money, Mars is right around the corner". I'm voting No on this resolution...there no point to entitle the UN on this issues. If countries want to get associated in some way for economic goals in space exploration good, that way count us in....but this endorsement won't see the Kindom of Ocatarinetavelachichix in.

The dinosaurs died out because they didn't have a space program.

The Theocracy of Bob the Most High is most distressed by this current proposal. As a relatively new nation we have not yet looked toward space. However at that predestined time during which we shall, it will be done on our terms, not in the way that other larger "secular" nations feel we should.

Also the people are happy with our current educational system and the freedoms it provides them. There would be a great outpouring of anger on the local level should the UN dictate to them any educational rules or subject matter. Especially subject matter that may be formed by nations that do not share our religious values and priorities.

In conclusion, The Theocracy of Bob the Most High will not support this, or any other proposal, that serves only expand the reaches of the UN into their everyday lives. Even more so when said proposal does nothing for our nation or our people.

Bob the Most High

As long as it is nor mandatory then vote for it. If its mandatory, don't.

I vote against it. We havent fixed that coffee machine in the lobby yet, why go to space under circumstances like that?

The "Space Race" as you so bluntly put it isnt really a race anymore because A) People are losing intrest in it except for the few who actually work for NASA or other fields of science B) The space race was to expensive for goverment funding to ever cover now and thats why you maybe see one important thing per decade. C) The "Space Race" speeds things up because nothing like a competition to get to so and so planet first to build morale. (Meaning they work faster to take victory over other countries) D) There technically isnt really any problem with sharing info now because scientist of today arent petty like politicians. I am going to vote against this because it has nothing to do with democracy and it wont do anything my country hasnt already done.

The Way of Ad-adabib does not condone space travel, to quote our Holy Scripture:
"It [space travel] is more trouble than it is profitable and it gives you bad gas." (Mohammed 23:2)

Therefore we must ask our delegate to vote no on ISI.

Akmed Teriff

Aooogah's Ambassador to the UN

:evil: The Holy Empire of North Freelandia can see no merits on favor of the insane ISI. If we are all forced to share information on space, what's next? Are we to be forced to share Nuclear technology or Our secret recipe for the world's best hamburgers? The only sensible vote is a no vote! This is the first step to total universal anarchy!

The ISI is for homosexuals, if you are a homosexual vote for this.....if you are heterosexual, vote against it. Space Exploration has been banned from Coleand and will never exist in the Continent of Clark County

Yes get some real coffe too.......come on this is the United Nations....we should get good beans from Colombia and Brasil and all we drink is crap from who knows where

The Empire of Treznor has recently entered space, and therefore recognises the need to push for space travel. However, we feel that this resolution pushes the boundaries too far, as seems typical of Global Markets' work. We take issue with two items in particular:

1. A universal collective of science, manufacturing and defense.
We feel that a "universal collective" as described here is tantamount to a communist state, something we are not interested in. A global pool of resources toward space research and exploration is one thing, but this resolution doesn't limit itself to that.

Furthermore, we feel that collective research in defence will lead to exploitation and abuse by untrustworthy nations. The fruits of our defence research is not open to public scrutiny.

2. Cradle-to-grave education for all to ensure future generations that space is no longer regarded as a folly, but as a serious opportunity to utilize.
This sounds like an admirable goal for a nanny-style government, one that spends all of its funds on pie-in-the-sky schemes and devotes very little funding toward practical investment. We have heard through the efforts of Fortunado that this is meant as opportunities for people of all age groups to be able to learn and participate in the space project. However, this is not how it reads. The potential for abuse in the wording of this resolution is extraordinary.

We vote against this resolution for its poorly stated goals and potential consequences.

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The ISI is for homosexuals, if you are a homosexual vote for this.....if you are heterosexual, vote against it. Space Exploration has been banned from Coleand and will never exist in the Continent of Clark County

Well, maybe because you made such a stupid comment, I should vote for it to prove heterosexuals CAN vote for it.

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The Principality of Puffinstuff cannot vote for the resolution because the resolution does not clarify whether participation with the ISI is mandatory or by choice. Furthermore, the resolution states that its purpose is "for better of democracy", yet it does not explain exactly how it betters democracy.

The inherent system is one of shared expense and reward. The greatest reward being the opportunity to explore space and, if the futre bears fruit, to visit other planets int eh solar system to further explore democracy

We the People's Republic Of Amyth believe the answer to the categorization question lies within this post. We believe that the pro-democracy movement within the NSun is not longer happy just silencing the voices of the non-democratic nations on Earth they must now expande their preachings to the intergalactic community as well. We can only hope that our Alien Comrades have as much antipathy towards these democratic tyrants as we ourselves do and chase them all back to earth...maybe they can keep 'em?

In addition, who will be paying for this "cradle-to-grave" education? Certainly not the UN, due to its inability to collect taxes per the "UN Taxation Ban" resolution passed in January. My assumption, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that all nations within the UN are required to place a space education curriculum within their schools at the nation's cost. This is hardly for the betterment of democracy, especially if the nation is a theocracy within the UN that does not approve of space exploration.

A cradle-to-grave education simply put would acknowledge space exploration as a serious venture that can be understood by all. A one-year old can be just as informed as an 80-year old on the ISI. A child might grow up to join ISI, a retiree might have some unforseen skill to offer the ISI. The ISI will not impose limits on whom it intends to reach.

We the PROA are completley baffled by their response to this question. Does this mean the the NSun mandates that we all limit our understanding of space exploration to that of a one year old child? We have absolutely no idea where the education part comes into this response and can only assume that if this passes, by law, we must take our babies away at birth and start educating them until they die, when they can go spread democracy through space. We are also a little disturbed by the implications that this space agency can conscript our retired senoir citizens and force them to work for their space program, they've done their time.

Aside from this we oppose this resolution for giving the NSun the power to 'cull' our population (our dictonary defines cull as "to pick out in order to discard or destroy") and we will viscously defend ourselves from any NSun army who attempt to 'cull' our best and brightest minds. Any 'cull'ing within our Nation will be done by ourselves.

We hope this rant exposes this inititave as the insane democracy-tyrant, stealing the best and brightest minds, nation stupidefying money pit that it is and encourages at least one (1) nation to vote against...

The dinosaurs died out because they didn't have a space program.

Our bible teaches us the the dinosaurs had no space program because they died out. Please do not confuse our children...

The proposal goes far beyond space exploration - it proposes a universal collective for manufacturing, defense, and science. This would deprive all UN member states of their sovereignty! The so-called Space Initiative is really a subterfuge to establish global Communism.

How on Earth did you come to that conclusion, Mr. McCarthy?
What obvious right-wing propaganda. :roll:

Here it is, directly from the proposal, Mr. McIlliteracy:

As a bare bones plan, herewith are basic ideology for the ISI:

1. A universal collective of science, manufacturing and defense.

2. Cradle-to-grave education for all to ensure future generations that space is no longer regarded as a folly, but as a serious opportunity to utilize.

The principality of Taka, under extreme debate has decided that we will vote against this bill. . . we can not accept that our nation's space program be put under UN jurisdiction, or that we will foot the bill for smaller nations when our own people's blood, sweat, tears and toil have brought us to the far courners of the galaxy and beyond. Also, the catagory that it falls under threatens the supreme power of the High Prince, and as such, this proposal is unacceptable. We encourge all nations who have already devleloped a space program to vote against this, and let those who do not collaborate without sucking our coffers dry.

The peoples of Gonuts cannot vote for such a vague resolution. We are happy and willing to particitpate in an international space program. However, the bill as it stands does not limit itself to space exploration. We will vote against it, but will consider a revised proposal that includes the following:

1) An explanation of "collective of science, manufacturing, and defence," meaning how much of each nations' resources will be pooled into this collective. As the language now says "universal," we assume that our resources will be completely subverted by this provision. No nation can abide that and remain sovereign. The international scientific community as it now stands is a self-correcting body that shares scientific resources as freely as possible without endangering security. How this provision will improve the dialogue already in place is unclear.

2) An explanation of "cradle-to-the-grave education." More details on whether or not the space program will dictate the curriculum, how much money will be put into this prgram by the international community, and how much each nation is expected to pay for such a program need to be stated. Gonuts will not allow intrusion on its already extensive education system, but will consider adjunct supplementary education for individuals who express interest in space science at any age.

3) A provision for the creation of a multi-lateral commitee to decide policy for the space program and ensure all UN member nations will be represented in its actions.

Perhaps calling a commitee of volunteer nations to write the revised bill will be a helpful step in making a more complete proposal. As it stands now, Gonuts is regretfully unable to give it confident support.

The ISI is in no way a PART of the United Nations. It is an independent boy of thinkers and doers. It is a group of people working together in a similar manner to that of the United Nations. people participate and have a say, exactly the way you have a say now as to whether or not you wish this proposal to go forward.

The ISI is INDEPENDENT of the United Nations.

There will be working coffee machines at ISI headquarters.

Homosexuals and Heterosexuals will work in harmony.

The ISI is in no way a PART of the United Nations. It is an independent boy of thinkers and doers. It is a group of people working together in a similar manner to that of the United Nations. people participate and have a say, exactly the way you have a say now as to whether or not you wish this proposal to go forward.

The ISI is INDEPENDENT of the United Nations.
This is all well and good, but this is not how the proposal actually reads. We maintain our stance against the resolution in its current format.

If you want people to support it, take it down and re-submit it to more accurately reflect your intentions. We will not support sloppy work that can be so easily abused and exploited.

Mankind is, of course, already in space, and we are making rapid progress! We hardly need to turn over our manufacturing, defense, and education to a new super-organization, outside the UN and of unknown structure. This proposal, as written, really has nothing to do with space exploration, and everything to do with allowing an unknown agency complete control over our nations.
We support space exploration and voluntary collaboration among nations to that end, but we must oppose this proposition as written.

I can't support this proposal either--it's just too vague and can is guaranteed to have unintended consequences. More detail in the proposals people!!!

I refuse to vote for this proposal because the technology I have, refuse to share, I am only in the UN for the interest of the Sebeceans, and no one else. I did and I refuse to chage my vote AGAINST it.

:D We of the Catholic Church think any movement into unexplored space is a wonderful idea. The scripture says that Christ will return once every living thing hears the message of God. Considering the spread of missionaries and televangelism there is no way possible the word hasn't covered the earth. Take also into account Christ is not here yet (the one on South Park does not count), and the urge to leave our planet and we have to assume there is intelligent life out waiting to hear the Revelation and the Truth about our great God! :o Think of it this way, the sooner we preach to them the sooner the Tribulation can begin. :wink:

The Holy Empire of Pantocratoria has voted against this proposal because it doesn't intend to teach its subjects "from cradle to grave" that they should waste their time worrying about the folly that is space travel.

I refuse to support this project in anyway.Why?Because don't you think the universe has had enough of us already.I mean,first we fuck up our planet,now we have to go do it to other planets,and eventually we'll encounter aliens and will make war with them,enslave them,and mine their planets resources.Trust me,just like in those movies where aliens from another planet have wasted the resources on their planets,they have to go planet to planet for more.Funny,that's just like us.

right... well anyway theres nations that alright are in space and have been to other planets, even Colonized, why would they want the UN and its incompadence geting involed.

They wouldn't.But some how the UN always get involve in to things that isn't their business,and in the end even if they help out,they still didn't do any great deal of help.If you ask me I think that the UN is completely usless,it's only use is humanitarian aids and bringing world leaders together to bicker and argue.

This bill is very stupid. The space race shouldn't end because it is pushing technology beyond its assumed limit. If everyone shares their information other countries know all of their weaknesses. There is no point of cradle-grave education. and some countries already inhabit other planets. Plus, not all want peace

Greets, world denizens.

Regarding this proposal, we have these comments and queries:

OOC: The idea of the ISI reminds us somewhat of the International Fleet, in Orson Scott Card's "Ender's Game".

BIC: It's hard to tell from an admittedly barebones proposal how this will work in the NationStates world. We consider its wording too vague, and prefer a more precisely-worded document. Alternately, we might vote for it if somewhere in this resolution, it stipulated that other, more concrete proposals or further resolutions would be required to nail down particulars.

Parts of the proposal strike us as problematic, and were we a Terran UN nation, we would not accept the proposal unless it were presented as a resolution of intent, or these points addressed and amended:


on a committee basis

Although it's fun to bash committees just on principle, with our extensive experience of committee work (paid and volunteer), they often are the core power structure of an organization. Meaning, where the politics takes place. In this case, which is clearly a Planetary initiative rather than an international one, a collective seems far preferable to us as power structure -- immediately cutting out some of the structural and international politics of who-serves-when, and who's-more-deserving-of-special-status. Maybe a Planetary mentality and collective structure would be an improvement on the current UN, emphasizing collective importance, responsibility and participation, rather than the international economic and military rankings that seem to automatically skew countries into the do-alls, and attempt-nothings.


1. A universal collective of science, manufacturing and defense.


Again, we prefer "Planetary" to "Universal", which can be reinterpreted to mean many things. Also, the notion of defense, one very worthy and necessary to consider, as a planet looking outward, but as for the power above our stratosphere looking inward, is this in actuality another step toward the Reaganesque StarWars? Surely that requires more precision. Who would really be in control?

We are also concerned that this proposal is merely setting up a rival UN, except with space-based weapons. We cannot stress enough how dangerous this is if carried through with such a naive proposal.

2. Cradle-to-grave education for all to ensure future generations that space is no longer regarded as a folly, but as a serious opportunity to utilize.


Finally, Reiki Practitioners sees a need for more work on this concept. What is meant by cradle-to-grave education? Lifetime propaganda? Re-education camps for the apathetic or doubters? Where is free choice in education, for those who prefer other curricula? It makes one speculate that this proposal is mainly a plea from the heart that has turned dictatorial and desperate to convince a planet whether they like it or not, that it will spend money on space.

We applaud the proposal's noble utopian ideals -- we wish we'd thought of it ourselves. We just aren't keen on how it's worded, because we think that matters.

We believe therrefore that democracies especially should vote against the proposal because of its flaws, and send it back to the drawing board for refinement. We say nay.

Freelander
Free Land of Reiki Practitioners

The people of the Federation of Isla Saudade have voted and announce that by 96% of the population's votes, the Isla Saudade vote FOR the International Space Initiative (ISI) as they believe that such project can create a much better exploration, research and occupation of outer space, and with this project we announce that our Secretary of Research and Technology (SRT) starts working for this project.

The decision was already sent to the delegate in the UN who has announced that we vote for it.

We also announce that with this we will start cooperating with other nations to research space and start analysing how to reduce costs for it and organise different projects.

We believe that anyone who opposes this project only cares about the money, and believes that this will cost much more than what it is meant to cost. This people, the representatives of different countries (which are usually capitalists), are exaggerating with the belief that this is a "Socialist trick"). They aren't supporting peace either.

However we think that it should be a secondary issue until we can really start thinking seriously about it. We also think that the education concerning space and this project should be regulated by each nation, to avoid brainwash.

The peoples republic of the collective right would be very happy to join this, and anything else that brings the world closer together and closer to a global communist government

The people of the Federation of Isla Saudade have voted and announce that by 96% of the population's votes, the Isla Saudade vote FOR the International Space Initiative (ISI) as they believe that such project can create a much better exploration, research and occupation of outer space, and with this project we announce that our Secretary of Research and Technology (SRT) starts working for this project.

The decision was already sent to the delegate in the UN who has announced that we vote for it.

We also announce that with this we will start cooperating with other nations to research space and start analysing how to reduce costs for it and organise different projects.

We believe that anyone who opposes this project only cares about the money, and believes that this will cost much more than what it is meant to cost. This people, the representatives of different countries (which are usually capitalists), are exaggerating with the belief that this is a "Socialist trick"). They aren't supporting peace either.

However we think that it should be a secondary issue until we can really start thinking seriously about it. We also think that the education concerning space and this project should be regulated by each nation, to avoid brainwash.

As I stated Teritora and other nations has alrightly been to other star systems and have colonized planets on their own, why would we want the UN with its incompetnce geting involed in our affairs.

The People's Republic of High-Druidia votes for the ISI, under the ideas of Gaia, the Earth. While we were put on this planet to protect it, it is filling up fast. The more people on this Earth, the more pollution is caused and the more Gaia is hurt because of this. If people were to find a way to colonize other worlds, this would take the current stress off of Her and give Her time to recuperate.

Also, the furtherment of science and technology is a main drive behind us. The more technology there is, the better the understanding of science. The better the understanding of science, the more people can stop their shameless pollution of our planet and the more environmentally friendly everything shall become.

Wow, my first resolution! I'm a bit psyched! :D

The Grand Duke of Greater Malekia has authorised me to announce that under no circumstances can our nation entertain the thought of support for such an ill-considered, and vexatious notion as this so-called ISI. He further advises that such announcement is made in sorrow for the basic idea of co-operation in space is in accord with his desires but the hopelessly confused and vague nature of the proposal renders it both unwise and so open ended as to be a source of inevitable chaos in the future.

It is not seen that the inclusion of cradle to the grave global education has any necessary or logical relation to the premise, and the idea is so underdeveloped as to be meaningless. Such a goal is deserving of a considered resolution of its own and should not be thrown in as what appears to be an afterthought in a package deal. We of Malekia value the education of our children too highly to see it treated in such an offhand and cavalier fashion.

Accordingly it is requested that the resolution be redrafted with the aim of focusing upon the essential aim of space co-operation with which we concur, and that there be no attempt to slip in major national changes such as international education by the back door. We urge all members to vote down this proposal while it remains in such a poorly worded and considered state.

The Principality of Puffinstuff cannot vote for the resolution because the resolution does not clarify whether participation with the ISI is mandatory or by choice. Furthermore, the resolution states that its purpose is "for better of democracy", yet it does not explain exactly how it betters democracy.

In addition, who will be paying for this "cradle-to-grave" education? Certainly not the UN, due to its inability to collect taxes per the "UN Taxation Ban" resolution passed in January. My assumption, and correct me if I'm wrong, is that all nations within the UN are required to place a space education curriculum within their schools at the nation's cost. This is hardly for the betterment of democracy, especially if the nation is a theocracy within the UN that does not approve of space exploration.

Gabriel Fitzgerald
Prime Minister of Puffinstuff

Mankind IS going to explore and colonize deep space, it is a question of WHEN not if. We'd rather have a hand in FUNDING it so that in time we can then PROFIT from it. This isn't as much a political move as it is a BUSINESS MATTER.

Given the option we will SUPPORT the space program.

We the people, of the Republic of Pepsiholics, like the idea of Space exploration. However, the proposal made is far too vague.

It would be possible for an aggressive nation to seize control of the space bound projects. It would also be more likely, that an already aggressive nation would use the new found discoveries of this project in a destructive way.

Therefore, with regrets, we vote against the proposal.

Woohoo! Death, desolation, and tyranny all the way!