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Support the Anti-Racism Act

Letila
01-10-2003, 03:06
Support the Anti-Racism Act and oppose hatred. We need your vote.
Oppressed Possums
01-10-2003, 03:09
How can you promote equality if you continually raise barriers?
01-10-2003, 03:19
Is this a proposal to abolish ALL racism, or is this a proposal to rehash the same 'white culture can't be racist, but when it comes to other races we'll turn a blind eye because they aren't afraid to pull the racist card' deal? It's a two way street.
01-10-2003, 03:30
Anti-Racism Act
A resolution to improve worldwide human and civil rights.


Category: Human Rights Strength: Significant Proposed by: Letila
Description: We have seen how much suffering racism can cause and believe it should be delt with by the UN.

1. No one shall be denied a job simply because of race.
2. No one shall be kicked out of a country simply because of race.
3. No on shall be killed simply because of race.
4. No one shall be kept from marrying who they want simply because of race.
5. No one shall be denied education simply because of race.

Approvals: 0

That's fair enough. Just as long as, say, "No one shall be denied education simply because of race" doesn't get changed to "Some blacks shall not be denied admittence to MSU, and in fact will be chosen over whites with better qualifications all in the name of diversification". Equal rights is equal for ALL.
Letila
01-10-2003, 03:37
Is this a proposal to abolish ALL racism, or is this a proposal to rehash the same 'white culture can't be racist, but when it comes to other races we'll turn a blind eye because they aren't afraid to pull the racist card' deal? It's a two way street.

While abolishing all racism is a goal, this is really just to address the lack of anti-racism resolutions.

How can you promote equality if you continually raise barriers?

What barriers?
01-10-2003, 03:45
We've read your proposal and we support it. The world has suffered enough because of racism, and it's time we ended officially-sanctioned discrimination worldwide. We could not support a restriction on free speech in the name of combatting racism, but your proposal doesn't do that.
Oppressed Possums
01-10-2003, 03:54
How can you promote equality if you continually raise barriers?

What barriers?

By drawing lines, you are saying that people are not equal, therefore, they NEED to be protected.
Letila
01-10-2003, 04:07
By drawing lines, you are saying that people are not equal, therefore, they NEED to be protected.

I'm not saying that at all. I am merely saying that people shouldn't be discriminated on the basis of race.
01-10-2003, 04:09
How can you promote equality if you continually raise barriers?

What barriers?

By drawing lines, you are saying that people are not equal, therefore, they NEED to be protected.

That's too technical. You know as well as I do that some people feel that others are inferior. You need to address that issue. Ignoring it isn't going to solve the problem. Calling it a problem that others would call someone else inferior affirms that you believe that they are equal. Besides, this doesn't make any mention of WHAT race is being protected. It's open enough to apply to yourself too. Being racist against yourself is something that only happens in Dave Chapelle stand up comedy.

While abolishing all racism is a goal, this is really just to address the lack of anti-racism resolutions.

It's best to do the job right the first time here. You may never get a second chance. Being white, I feel that it'd be good to make sure I am not oppressed because 'it's not kosher to claim that others can be racist against you if you're white'.
Oppressed Possums
01-10-2003, 04:11
How can you promote equality if you continually raise barriers?

What barriers?

By drawing lines, you are saying that people are not equal, therefore, they NEED to be protected.

That's too technical. You know as well as I do that some people feel that others are inferior. You need to address that issue. Ignoring it isn't going to solve the problem. Calling it a problem that others would call someone else inferior affirms that you believe that they are equal. Besides, this doesn't make any mention of WHAT race is being protected. It's open enough to apply to yourself too. Being racist against yourself is something that only happens in Dave Chapelle stand up comedy.

While abolishing all racism is a goal, this is really just to address the lack of anti-racism resolutions.

It's best to do the job right the first time here. You may never get a second chance. Being white, I feel that it'd be good to make sure I am not oppressed because 'it's not kosher to claim that others can be racist against you if you're white'.

Haven't you heard of reverse discrimination?

That's like "we're going to protect you because we say that you need protecting" or "because you are inferior"

I don't know about you but I'm of the "human race."
Letila
01-10-2003, 04:31
I hope this passes.
01-10-2003, 04:33
How can you promote equality if you continually raise barriers?

What barriers?

By drawing lines, you are saying that people are not equal, therefore, they NEED to be protected.

That's too technical. You know as well as I do that some people feel that others are inferior. You need to address that issue. Ignoring it isn't going to solve the problem. Calling it a problem that others would call someone else inferior affirms that you believe that they are equal. Besides, this doesn't make any mention of WHAT race is being protected. It's open enough to apply to yourself too. Being racist against yourself is something that only happens in Dave Chapelle stand up comedy.

While abolishing all racism is a goal, this is really just to address the lack of anti-racism resolutions.

It's best to do the job right the first time here. You may never get a second chance. Being white, I feel that it'd be good to make sure I am not oppressed because 'it's not kosher to claim that others can be racist against you if you're white'.

Haven't you heard of reverse discrimination?

That's like "we're going to protect you because we say that you need protecting" or "because you are inferior"

I don't know about you but I'm of the "human race."

I know what you mean, but there are people who will be racist. Is it bad to stop them from being racist? We're all part of the human race after all. All anti-racism would do is oppress free thinking and free speech by shoving one view point, that we are all equal, on those who might not agree. Which ruins the whole point of THAT argument. Nevermind.

If we're all part of the human race, and some people don't want to accept it, then let them not accept it. But if the majority agrees that ALL people should have equality regardless of their looks, then you need laws to stop the minority from acting on their thoughts. If they want their thoughts to be adopted, then they can convince the majority that theirs is the right opinion.

If a racist won't let a human with black skin into a college because he has black skin, isn't it good to give that person the equality you admit he deserves? The same goes for a black man telling a white man not to enter a college just because his skin is white.
Oppressed Possums
01-10-2003, 04:35
All you have to do is create strict penalities.
Oppressed Possums
01-10-2003, 04:39
If a racist won't let a human with black skin into a college because he has black skin, isn't it good to give that person the equality you admit he deserves? The same goes for a black man telling a white man not to enter a college just because his skin is white.

Personally, if someone told me that, I don't know if I really want to go there. How many colleges do you think there are in the world?

Some people are just looking for fights. That creates a hostile environment and can completely hinder learning. It's not a pleasant feeling.
01-10-2003, 14:20
The People's republic of Schim supports this proposal.
01-10-2003, 14:50
I oppose this proposal because of the first point, which violates the right of employers to choose who they will allow on their property and to whom they will offer money and with whom they will associate, and the fifth point, which might be construed so as to restrict private schools from setting whatever criteria they wish for admittance.
Demo-Bobylon
01-10-2003, 14:59
I oppose this proposal because of the first point, which violates the right of employers to choose who they will allow on their property and to whom they will offer money and with whom they will associate, and the fifth point, which might be construed so as to restrict private schools from setting whatever criteria they wish for admittance.

What? It is not the employer's right to discriminate. It simply says that thye are not allowed to discriminate with racial reasons. If a private school says "No blacks" then it is racist, and will be made to offer equal rights. What is wrong with you? Can't you understand a simple proposal?
01-10-2003, 15:01
Yes, I can understand it, and I do. If it is my property, then I damn well can decide who I will and will not allow on it, and base that decision on whatever criteria I wish.
Demo-Bobylon
01-10-2003, 15:09
You cannot command humanity. You are therefore racist scum: how can you hold prejudices like that? You may own the land but you do not own the world!
01-10-2003, 15:14
What "prejudices"? All I'm saying is that businessmen and private schools should be left alone to run their businesses or schools as they see fit...which includes denying service or employment to anyone they wish based on whatever criteria they wish to use.
Demo-Bobylon
01-10-2003, 15:29
What "prejudices"? All I'm saying is that businessmen and private schools should be left alone to run their businesses or schools as they see fit...which includes denying service or employment to anyone they wish based on whatever criteria they wish to use.

But it is unjust to discriminate against someone on grounds of race! We are trying to acheive equal rights, and as the owner of the institutuion does not own humanity, he has to comply.
Letila
01-10-2003, 17:08
I oppose this proposal because of the first point, which violates the right of employers to choose who they will allow on their property and to whom they will offer money and with whom they will associate, and the fifth point, which might be construed so as to restrict private schools from setting whatever criteria they wish for admittance.

Whatever you say.

Also, we don't have much time. Only 3 days left, so vote if you're allowed to.
01-10-2003, 20:31
So you agree with me?
Letila
01-10-2003, 21:06
I consider your veneration of business owners a bit unwise to say the least, actually.
The Global Market
01-10-2003, 23:10
What "prejudices"? All I'm saying is that businessmen and private schools should be left alone to run their businesses or schools as they see fit...which includes denying service or employment to anyone they wish based on whatever criteria they wish to use.

It's called "property rights" and the "freedom of association".

It doesn't just apply to business owners, it applies the the owners of private schools, and ordinary citizens like you and me.

If the government steps in and FORCES a private business to hire more people based on race, WHAT IS THERE TO STOP THEM from FORCING you to have more friends of the opposite race? Or FORCING you to marry someoen you don't like... because she is an underrepresented race?

On the other hand institutions recieving public money should be MOST STRICTLY PROHIBITED FROM CONSIDERING RACE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM.

This means NO affirmative action, NO racial profiling, etc.
Futplex
01-10-2003, 23:39
If the government steps in and FORCES a private business to hire more people based on race, WHAT IS THERE TO STOP THEM from FORCING you to have more friends of the opposite race? Or FORCING you to marry someoen you don't like... because she is an underrepresented race?

The lack of any law giving it the power to do so?
02-10-2003, 00:18
What "prejudices"? All I'm saying is that businessmen and private schools should be left alone to run their businesses or schools as they see fit...which includes denying service or employment to anyone they wish based on whatever criteria they wish to use.

If the government steps in and FORCES a private business to hire more people based on race, WHAT IS THERE TO STOP THEM from FORCING you to have more friends of the opposite race? Or FORCING you to marry someoen you don't like... because she is an underrepresented race?

What the hell is "opposite race"?
The Global Market
02-10-2003, 00:21
What "prejudices"? All I'm saying is that businessmen and private schools should be left alone to run their businesses or schools as they see fit...which includes denying service or employment to anyone they wish based on whatever criteria they wish to use.

If the government steps in and FORCES a private business to hire more people based on race, WHAT IS THERE TO STOP THEM from FORCING you to have more friends of the opposite race? Or FORCING you to marry someoen you don't like... because she is an underrepresented race?

What the hell is "opposite race"?

A typo. I mean another race.

But the concept of 'race' is not acknowledged in my country. We have no laws whatsoever that deal with race in any manner.
02-10-2003, 00:26
Kick Nazis in the head until they are dead!
The Global Market
02-10-2003, 00:28
Or...not
02-10-2003, 00:40
A typo. I mean another race.

But the concept of 'race' is not acknowledged in my country. We have no laws whatsoever that deal with race in any manner.

We execute everyone the same. A white person's head splats just as easily as a black person's head. Oooh! Look at the pretty colors!
Letila
02-10-2003, 22:54
I believe today is the last day.