NationStates Jolt Archive

Almost every single proposal that has come up lately has threatened national sovereignty. It seems that no one cares about sovereignty, unless UN resolutions are suggested that countries disagree with, and then they argue sovereignty while creating their own proposals...forcing their religion upon people, forming "unions", banning/legalising abortion, banning cloning, demilitarizing or militarizing countries. Being a UN member shouldn't mean that you have to give up your sovereignty.

Therefore, all regional delegates/nations wishing to prevent the UN from futher infringing on their sovereignty should endorse "A Sovereign Nation's Rights"

We do notice a trend, but one must also note that the last few proposals have been defeated.

Almost every single proposal that has come up lately has threatened national sovereignty. It seems that no one cares about sovereignty, unless UN resolutions are suggested that countries disagree with, and then they argue sovereignty while creating their own proposals...forcing their religion upon people, forming "unions", banning/legalising abortion, banning cloning, demilitarizing or militarizing countries. Being a UN member shouldn't mean that you have to give up your sovereignty.

Therefore, all regional delegates/nations wishing to prevent the UN from futher infringing on their sovereignty should endorse "A Sovereign Nation's Rights"

Bill of No Rights didn't infringe on sovereignty, but most people don't seem to be willing to realize that.

I think it was voted down in the proposal process.

I think it got lost when the Bill of No Rights was voted down.

Let's be serious though everyone. The UN is supposed to be the majority's way to shape the world to their liking. Don't just complain when things don't go your way. Leave if you don't like it. Just stick to your guns. If you put up a big enough fight here on the boards, things might not pass. These boards get a lot of viewers.

What ever happened to soveriegnty?

You joined the UN and forfeited it.

What ever happened to soveriegnty?

You joined the UN and forfeited it.

Well said.

You didn't forfeit it all, you can still leave.

Callum
Today's spokesman for Nebbyland

Hello, I am from the Joingoistic States of Rooster Teeth, the very nation that proposed A Nation's Sovereignty. I have a question "Where did it go?" Seriously, I can't find it. If anyone has seen it, please let me know and if it got deleted, Why and How?

Sovereignty?if you DECIDE to join the UN, you reduce voluntarily your sovereignty by accepting to comply with resoltuions.if you disagree, you can LEAVE the UN.

you can LEAVE the UN.

Make us.

Anyhow, it ain't the place of the U.N. to take the runnin' of countries away from their rightful leaders. The place of the U.N. is to keep them leaders from goin' out and gunnin' down leaders of the other countries. The place of the U.N. is to KEEP THE PEACE.

Once y'all figure that out, we'll be able to get stuff done 'round here.

-Prez Billy Bob Hicklee

I agree with Alabammy on this issue. The United Nations was developed to keep international peace a constant. In no way should the UN be considered a governing body. For example, if the UN passed a resolution that contridicted the national laws of 90% of the worlds dictators, those dictatorial nations have no choice but to leave the UN and take up an opposing stance. It seems to me that this would be a blatant contradiction with the UN founding principle, preventing world-wide conflicts.

OOC: Aren't these our nations to govern how we wish? Why would it be neccassary to let a thousand other people govern your nation for you, just so you can speak you piece on a world platform?

Who taught that big words to these people?

I agree with Alabammy on this issue. The United Nations was developed to keep international peace a constant. In no way should the UN be considered a governing body. For example, if the UN passed a resolution that contridicted the national laws of 90% of the worlds dictators, those dictatorial nations have no choice but to leave the UN and take up an opposing stance. It seems to me that this would be a blatant contradiction with the UN founding principle, preventing world-wide conflicts.

OOC: Aren't these our nations to govern how we wish? Why would it be neccassary to let a thousand other people govern your nation for you, just so you can speak you piece on a world platform?

If you are in the UN, then your nation is not yours alone. The UN is considered the world governing body. In theory if enough resolutions pass, all the nations will move toward becoming identical...

What ever happened to soveriegnty?

You joined the UN and forfeited it.

Well said.

You didn't forfeit it all, you can still leave.

I agrre with the above statements.

If you don't want the UN decisions affecting your nation leave it! otherwise you agree to all proposals that pass being implimented on your nation. Thats what you signed on for when you joined the UN, if it upsets you to have your main nation affected in this way...leave, then make a puppet & let it join. That way you can still take part in the UN without your pitiful precious main nation being "told what to do by the UN", and we get peace & quiet from your complaints :roll:

We would refer those complaining about the current state of the UN to the UN Charter (OOC: The game FAQ)

"What's the United Nations?
The UN is the world's governing body. It proposes and votes on resolutions, which are then binding on all member nations.
...
Your nation can join the UN, but it's not compulsory. As a non-member, you are unaffected by any UN decisions. So if you're happy looking after your nation and don't want to dabble in international politics, don't join up.

So I'm a UN member. Now what?
The UN is your chance to mold the rest of the world to your vision, by voting for resolutions you like and scuttling the rest. However, it's a double-edged sword, because your nation will also be affected by any resolutions that pass. (You can't just obey the resolutions you like and ignore the rest...)"

Hello, I am from the Joingoistic States of Rooster Teeth, the very nation that proposed A Nation's Sovereignty. I have a question "Where did it go?" Seriously, I can't find it. If anyone has seen it, please let me know and if it got deleted, Why and How?

This is a guess, but:

If it including language to the affect that "The UN shall not pass any resolution that..." or "All UN resolutions that...are hereby repealed," it got deleted because it was effectively proposing a rule change.

As Enodia states in his sticky thread, the U.N. cannot pass resolutions limiting (or extending, for that matter) its own power, since that is determied by game mechanics.

Sincerely,
Javier Hootenany
Undersecretary to the United Nations Ambassador for NationStates Rules and Regulations
Community of Gurthark

Hello, I am from the Joingoistic States of Rooster Teeth, the very nation that proposed A Nation's Sovereignty. I have a question "Where did it go?" Seriously, I can't find it. If anyone has seen it, please let me know and if it got deleted, Why and How?

This is a guess, but:

If it including language to the affect that "The UN shall not pass any resolution that..." or "All UN resolutions that...are hereby repealed," it got deleted because it was effectively proposing a rule change.

As Enodia states in his sticky thread, the U.N. cannot pass resolutions limiting (or extending, for that matter) its own power, since that is determied by game mechanics.

Sincerely,
Javier Hootenany
Undersecretary to the United Nations Ambassador for NationStates Rules and Regulations
Community of Gurthark

How is repealing a resolution contrary to game mechanics?

I don't see that anywhere.

It would be just like a referendum vote.

Because it is sort of etched in stone and the would require removing the stone...

The UN is simply not designed that way.

I believe the moderators are looking to create the ability to repeal a single resolution--it will simply undo the effects of that resolution on member countries. Currently, there's no way to "put things back the way they were"--the game doesn't have a mechanism for figuring out what needs to be done to undo a change put into effect by a particular resolution. (E.g., if you repeal an environmental resolution affecting Woodchipping, the game doesn't know that this means it should weaken everybody's environment but strengthen their Woodchipping industries). This may change in the near future, as I said above.

You'll probably never be able to repeal multiple resolutions in one fell swoop--it would be far to complicated for the game to figure out what it needed to do.

wait someone explain to me where in the most recent proposal (geneticorp) it threatens national sovreignty.

Where did the bill of no rights threaten sovereignty?

Its the problem of people immediately jumping to conclusions about the resolutions before taking the time TO FINISH READING THEM

First off to those who hate the UN resolutions governing their country then just leave. Next NS UN operates differently from RL UN because in RL the UN is designed to keep peace and stability. In NS UN it is designed to be a congress of the sorts and we are all states who are part of the UN. We can govern our states but Congress has the last say. So either put up or shut up.

Just by the nature of the UN, anything proposed has a trade off lowering something else. If you vote for it, that is kind of your problem. If you vote against it, the UN forces it upon you.