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The Read a Book Act
A resolution to reduce income inequality and increase basic welfare.


Category: Social Justice
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Free Outer Eugenia

Description: We the United Nations of Nationstates strongly encourage the authors of ignorant and bigoted proposals such as "The Bill of No Rights" and "The Socializm Acts" to find another source of information about political philosophy and the world at large other than right-wing talk radio indoctrination.

That's putting the cart before the horse....

First we need to establish an UN councel to determine whether they can read and at what levels.

Once we establish that, we need to determine what, if any, needs to be taught to them.

Then, implementation need be established as well as a system of rewards and punishments.

On the other hand, I doubt some people even bother to read the proposals before they vote for or against them.

As a noted Bureaucrat i would happily sit on the board of said commitee to determine the literacy rates of these people.

I liked the Bill of No Rights... I even explained how everyone could still have their stupid little socialist nations under it, but no one EVER listens to logic. It wasn't an opinion, it was fact. All the Bill of No Rights does is declair that you are not BORN with those right. That does not mean that you can't be GIVEN those rights. It's a bill where everyone wins. But no one read that, and I doubt anyone will read this.

Maybe some people should look for a self-help book that will teach them how to not be such an asshole. Maybe some people should learn to read. Maybe some people should adopt critical thinking skills.

Somehow I feel any council is to firmly prejudiced against the nations in questions to make a fair investigation. :lol:

The Read a Book Act
A resolution to reduce income inequality and increase basic welfare.


Category: Social Justice
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Free Outer Eugenia

Description: We the United Nations of Nationstates strongly encourage the authors of ignorant and bigoted proposals such as "The Bill of No Rights" and "The Socializm Acts" to find another source of information about political philosophy and the world at large other than right-wing talk radio indoctrination.


THIS IS AN OUTRAGEOUS ACT!!! I may not allow pollitical freedoms in my region, but im a Monarchy, but the UN should allow all political acts to go be proposed as a resolution. My country and its right-wing beliefs I based on the History of the UK, other countries' ideas and reading Mein Kampth - For you uneducated lot that means 'My Struggle' in German and it is Hitler's autobiography written while he was in prison (though im not sure of the spelling.)

The Read a Book Act
A resolution to reduce income inequality and increase basic welfare.


Category: Social Justice
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Free Outer Eugenia

Description: We the United Nations of Nationstates strongly encourage the authors of ignorant and bigoted proposals such as "The Bill of No Rights" and "The Socializm Acts" to find another source of information about political philosophy and the world at large other than right-wing talk radio indoctrination.


THIS IS AN OUTRAGEOUS ACT!!! I may not allow pollitical freedoms in my region, but im a Monarchy, but the UN should allow all political acts to go be proposed as a resolution. My country and its right-wing beliefs I based on the History of the UK, other countries' ideas and reading Mein Kampth - For you uneducated lot that means 'My Struggle' in German and it is Hitler's autobiography written while he was in prison (though im not sure of the spelling.) You misunderstand the "Read a Book" Act. It does not ban any sort of resolution, nor does it require you to read a book. It merely encourages certain people (such as yourself) to broaden their horizons. But then I can't expect someone who bases his ideology on a madman's nonsensical gibberish to understand such a simple concept.

All the Bill of No Rights does is declair that you are not BORN with those right. That does not mean that you can't be GIVEN those rights.

I believe that people ARE born with those rights. Therefore I voted against.

Lord Evif, Goobergunchian UN Ambassador
DU Regional Delegate

All the Bill of No Rights does is declair that you are not BORN with those right. That does not mean that you can't be GIVEN those rights.

I believe that people ARE born with those rights. Therefore I voted against.

Lord Evif, Goobergunchian UN Ambassador
DU Regional Delegate

You honsestly believe that people are born with the right to own a big screen TV? Try telling that to your nation's taxpayers (or better yet, to U.S. taxpayers)

Well, Free Outer Eugenia, I never made an attack on anyone PERSONALLY...

I'm sensing definite hostility.

Two rulers enter the ring; one leaves.

I can see where you're coming from on this...

However, I think this is an invasion of the right that gives us the freedom of opinion. I do not think it's fair to tell others to believe in certain things on such a broad and open scale, even if they are the right things to do. Just try your best and ignore them.... or argue your point. We shouldn't outlaw other's beliefs.

That is, if I understood the proposal correctly.

I can see where you're coming from on this...

However, I think this is an invasion of the right that gives us the freedom of opinion. I do not think it's fair to tell others to believe in certain things on such a broad and open scale, even if they are the right things to do. Just try your best and ignore them.... or argue your point. We shouldn't outlaw other's beliefs.

That is, if I understood the proposal correctly.Please note the languege of the proposal:

We the United Nations of Nationstates strongly encourage the authors of ignorant and bigoted proposals such as "The Bill of No Rights" and "The Socializm Acts" to find another source of information about political philosophy and the world at large other than right-wing talk radio indoctrination. It does not require or enforce educated opinions, it merely strongly encourages them. It is one of those ineffective resolutions that the RL UN passes every day and comes down to nothing more than a statement of the collective opinion of the UN. Can someone please point out a single word that outlaws anything?I'm sensing definite hostility.

Two rulers enter the ring; one leaves. Free Outer Eugenia has aproximatly 856 million rulers at the moment actually.Well, Free Outer Eugenia, I never made an attack on anyone PERSONALLY...*pats TGM on the head and gives him a cookie*

Free Outer Eugenia has aproximatly 856 million rulers at the moment actually.

How does that work... exactly? What if 429 million decide to kill the other 427 million?

*pats TGM on the head and gives him a cookie*

Thanks!

Tempted as we are to support the "Read a Book Act" (and we are indeed VERY sorely tempted), we will not do so. Nations that get their political philosophy from Rush Limbaugh and other right-wing talk show hosts have the same right to pollute their "minds" as we have to create a free and compassionate society. We do sometimes wish the world wasn't filled with quite so many morons, but even the morons have rights.

Tempted as we are to support the "Read a Book Act" (and we are indeed VERY sorely tempted), we will not do so. Nations that get their political philosophy from Rush Limbaugh and other right-wing talk show hosts have the same right to pollute their "minds" as we have to create a free and compassionate society. We do sometimes wish the world wasn't filled with quite so many morons, but even the morons have rights.

I'm not a fan of Rush Limbaugh. I find him a bit too fascist for my tastes.

Tempted as we are to support the "Read a Book Act" (and we are indeed VERY sorely tempted), we will not do so. Nations that get their political philosophy from Rush Limbaugh and other right-wing talk show hosts have the same right to pollute their "minds" as we have to create a free and compassionate society. We do sometimes wish the world wasn't filled with quite so many morons, but even the morons have rights.

I'm not a fan of Rush Limbaugh. I find him a bit too fascist for my tastes.

Neil Bortz (sp?), now he's good :lol:

Furthermore, not only am I Libertarian (which i would think you assume to be "right-winged"), but i 'have' broadened my horizons with readings of books. I've also had many good discussions with liberals and socialists. Free Outer Eugenia, your resolution not only proves that you believe freedom of speech should be limited ("strongly encourage" may be a suggestion, but then why should it be a proposal if it isn't going to be enforced. I'm assuming you have it as a proposal so it CAN be enforced) but you show that you wish to eliminate any opposition posed by the right-wingers, thus creating a dictatorial society much like China. (where the communist party rules w/o opposition)

What type of books will we, the government, have to provide our citizens? I would not allow books that go against Catholicism in the nation.

The Read a Book Act
A resolution to reduce income inequality and increase basic welfare.


Category: Social Justice
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Free Outer Eugenia

Description: We the United Nations of Nationstates strongly encourage the authors of ignorant and bigoted proposals such as "The Bill of No Rights" and "The Socializm Acts" to find another source of information about political philosophy and the world at large other than right-wing talk radio indoctrination.

Awwww. Poor little socialist can't stand that someone is standing up for his rights and not letting the silly leftists have their way.

You need to find another source of information besides Hegel, Marx and Keynes.

And stop whining. It's unbecoming.

All the Bill of No Rights does is declair that you are not BORN with those right. That does not mean that you can't be GIVEN those rights.

I believe that people ARE born with those rights. Therefore I voted against.

Lord Evif, Goobergunchian UN Ambassador
DU Regional Delegate

You honsestly believe that people are born with the right to own a big screen TV? Try telling that to your nation's taxpayers (or better yet, to U.S. taxpayers)

I don't believe in that one. But I do believe in free health care.

Lord Evif, Goobergunchian President
DU Regional Delegate

Free Outer Eugenia has aproximatly 856 million rulers at the moment actually.

How does that work... exactly? What if 429 million decide to kill the other 427 million?

*pats TGM on the head and gives him a cookie*

Thanks!The same thing that would happen if half of your country's population decided to kill the other half.
And stop whining. I'm not whining. The sounds of the outside world must have a whole different dimension for you. The acoustics of having your head so far up your rectum must be very interesting.

The same thing that would happen if half of your country's population decided to kill the other half.

No because our citizens aren't allowed to make decisions like that.

Commonwealth charter specifically prevents the government from doing certain things such as kill people arbitrarily.

Free Outer Eugenia, your resolution not only proves that you believe freedom of speech should be limited ("strongly encourage" may be a suggestion, but then why should it be a proposal if it isn't going to be enforced.What exactly would be 'enforced'? Please point out a single line that states any action that might be enforced. This resolution is a feeble plea for sanity, not an iron-fisted imposition of it. As to 'why it is a proposal': for the stated reason: to collectively ask the unnamed party to broaden his or her horizons.


Tempted as we are to support the "Read a Book Act" (and we are indeed VERY sorely tempted), we will not do so. Nations that get their political philosophy from Rush Limbaugh and other right-wing talk show hosts have the same right to pollute their "minds" as we have to create a free and compassionate society. We do sometimes wish the world wasn't filled with quite so many morons, but even the morons have rights.
No one has the 'right' not to be asked to do something, but everyone has the right to refuse once asked. Please note the languege of the proposal:

We the United Nations of Nationstates strongly encourage the authors of ignorant and bigoted proposals such as "The Bill of No Rights" and "The Socializm Acts" to find another source of information about political philosophy and the world at large other than right-wing talk radio indoctrination. It does not require or enforce educated opinions, it merely strongly encourages them. It is one of those ineffective resolutions that the RL UN passes every day and comes down to nothing more than a statement of the collective opinion of the UN. Can someone please point out a single word that outlaws anything?

The same thing that would happen if half of your country's population decided to kill the other half.

No because our citizens aren't allowed to make decisions like that.

Commonwealth charter specifically prevents the government from doing certain things such as kill people arbitrarily. If half of your population decides to kill the other half, your government will not be able to do much about it :roll:

The same thing that would happen if half of your country's population decided to kill the other half.

No because our citizens aren't allowed to make decisions like that.

Commonwealth charter specifically prevents the government from doing certain things such as kill people arbitrarily. If half of your population decides to kill the other half, your government will not be able to do much about it :roll:

The government controls the military and police...

If they kill themselves, can I have their stuff?

The same thing that would happen if half of your country's population decided to kill the other half.

No because our citizens aren't allowed to make decisions like that.

Commonwealth charter specifically prevents the government from doing certain things such as kill people arbitrarily. If half of your population decides to kill the other half, your government will not be able to do much about it :roll:

The government controls the military and police... Ha! Your military and police seem to be rather impotent in the face of everyday crime. If half a billion people decide to go on a genocidal rampage, your governmet would collapse.

The same thing that would happen if half of your country's population decided to kill the other half.

No because our citizens aren't allowed to make decisions like that.

Commonwealth charter specifically prevents the government from doing certain things such as kill people arbitrarily. If half of your population decides to kill the other half, your government will not be able to do much about it :roll:

The government controls the military and police... Ha! Your military and police seem to be rather impotent in the face of everyday crime. If half a billion people decide to go on a genocidal rampage, your governmet would collapse.

They're too busy making money to go on genocidal rampages.

The same thing that would happen if half of your country's population decided to kill the other half.

No because our citizens aren't allowed to make decisions like that.

Commonwealth charter specifically prevents the government from doing certain things such as kill people arbitrarily. If half of your population decides to kill the other half, your government will not be able to do much about it :roll:

The government controls the military and police... Ha! Your military and police seem to be rather impotent in the face of everyday crime. If half a billion people decide to go on a genocidal rampage, your governmet would collapse.

They're too busy making money to go on genocidal rampages. And we are too busy working living and loving for such nonsense.

The Read a Book Act
A resolution to reduce income inequality and increase basic welfare.


Category: Social Justice
Strength: Strong
Proposed by: Free Outer Eugenia

Description: We the United Nations of Nationstates strongly encourage the authors of ignorant and bigoted proposals such as "The Bill of No Rights" and "The Socializm Acts" to find another source of information about political philosophy and the world at large other than right-wing talk radio indoctrination.


THIS IS AN OUTRAGEOUS ACT!!! I may not allow pollitical freedoms in my region, but im a Monarchy, but the UN should allow all political acts to go be proposed as a resolution. My country and its right-wing beliefs I based on the History of the UK, other countries' ideas and reading Mein Kampth - For you uneducated lot that means 'My Struggle' in German and it is Hitler's autobiography written while he was in prison (though im not sure of the spelling.)

You base your political ideology on Mein Kampf, yet you don't know how to spell it? And please relinquish your hold on my nation's name.

"Are we not the same as all other Germans?
Do we not all belong together? This problem began to gnaw at my little brain for the first time."

Note the word 'little'.

I don't think that any fool who bases his ideology on 'Mein Kampf' is likely to be able to spell it.

Tempted as we are to support the "Read a Book Act" (and we are indeed VERY sorely tempted), we will not do so. Nations that get their political philosophy from Rush Limbaugh and other right-wing talk show hosts have the same right to pollute their "minds" as we have to create a free and compassionate society. We do sometimes wish the world wasn't filled with quite so many morons, but even the morons have rights.

I'm wondering... you haven't had the 'limit democratic freedoms or impose the death penalty' issue yet, have you?

I tend to dimiss it as neither desecion is apropriate to the sort of government that Free Outer Eugenia has.

I tend to dimiss it as neither desecion is apropriate to the sort of government that Free Outer Eugenia has.

Indeed. My first reaction was to constitutionally outlaw the death sentence, then allow the f*cker (democratic candidate with massive support, running on a pro-death platform) to run without his key policy. Unfortunately, my government's beauracracy didn't seem to allow me that option. My nation is looking into the problem.

Our governing structure would not allow a single indavidual elected to office to wield such power. We aren't big on revenge killings either.

Free Outer Eugenia, your resolution not only proves that you believe freedom of speech should be limited ("strongly encourage" may be a suggestion, but then why should it be a proposal if it isn't going to be enforced.

What exactly would be 'enforced'? Please point out a single line that states any action that might be enforced. This resolution is a feeble plea for sanity, not an iron-fisted imposition of it. As to 'why it is a proposal': for the stated reason: to collectively ask the unnamed party to broaden his or her horizons.


If it is a proposal, that would actually 'do' something, some part of it would have to set laws upon the governments of the UN, be it that they run educational videos, advertise, encourage through media/advertise, etc. The point that you make here shows it as a "feeble plea for sanity"... make your "feeble plea" a statement towards nations, not a UN proposal. As a UN proposal, it is a worthless piece of legislation, since it doesn't tell any of the nations to DO anything; just to THINK about it. I don't have my representative sending bills saying "Article I: the government should be strongly encouraged to be anti-abortion". It makes no sense, it does nothing, and this entire topic is worthless. Debating such issues which you take a different side than me and fellow libertarians/(i'm guessing democrats?) are in other threads, and this one is a mockery of the conversations had in those threads.

Free Outer Eugenia, your resolution not only proves that you believe freedom of speech should be limited ("strongly encourage" may be a suggestion, but then why should it be a proposal if it isn't going to be enforced.

What exactly would be 'enforced'? Please point out a single line that states any action that might be enforced. This resolution is a feeble plea for sanity, not an iron-fisted imposition of it. As to 'why it is a proposal': for the stated reason: to collectively ask the unnamed party to broaden his or her horizons.

your "feeble plea" a statement towards nations. Now you're begining to get the idea :roll:

There are plenty precedents of municipalities passing resolutions condemning certain policies that they have no formal power to affect.

It is a proposal that the UN send a messege to certain member nations by majority vote. Once it is passed it's mandate is complete. However, such a statement of the UN just may shame certain nations into mending their ways. But I guess that a liberterian such as yourself would prefer a heavyhanded violation of national sovereignty and an actual curtailment of freedom of speech, no?

I had thought that all of this was quite evident from the text of the proposal itself.

Awwww. Poor little socialist can't stand that someone is standing up for his rights and not letting the silly leftists have their way.

You need to find another source of information besides Hegel, Marx and Keynes.

And stop whining. It's unbecoming.

Yawn. The exact same could be said about those No Rights and Socializm bills. Stop whining. Read a book other than Hayek. Snotty wannabe.

Free Outer Eugenia, your resolution not only proves that you believe freedom of speech should be limited ("strongly encourage" may be a suggestion, but then why should it be a proposal if it isn't going to be enforced.

What exactly would be 'enforced'? Please point out a single line that states any action that might be enforced. This resolution is a feeble plea for sanity, not an iron-fisted imposition of it. As to 'why it is a proposal': for the stated reason: to collectively ask the unnamed party to broaden his or her horizons.

your "feeble plea" a statement towards nations. Now you're begining to get the idea :roll:

There are plenty precedents of municipalities passing resolutions condemning certain policies that they have no formal power to affect.

It is a proposal that the UN send a messege to certain member nations by majority vote. Once it is passed it's mandate is complete. However, such a statement of the UN just may shame certain nations into mending their ways. But I guess that a liberterian such as yourself would prefer a heavyhanded violation of national sovereignty and an actual curtailment of freedom of speech, no?

I had thought that all of this was quite evident from the text of the proposal itself.



We the United Nations of Nationstates strongly encourage the authors of ignorant and bigoted proposals such as "The Bill of No Rights" and "The Socializm Acts" to find another source of information about political philosophy and the world at large other than right-wing talk radio indoctrination.


You are quite the hypocrite. "ignorant and bigoted proposals"... well, i think THIS one fits the description quite well:

1: You target not only right-wings in general, but specifically attacked Global Market.
2: the proposal shows that you not only completely dismiss the idea that right-wing philosophy could have some truth, but then go on to say that the only reason they are right-wing is because of the media that they watch. So does that mean you think everyone is inherently left-wing?


to collectively ask the unnamed party to broaden his or her horizons.


Please, this didn't have to become a proposal. It was a blunt attack at Global Market, and all you needed to do was start a thread like this one. your proposal is useless.

You target not only right-wings in general, but specifically attacked Global Market.
Don't worry, he doesn't mind. In fact he aproved the proposal. Its a cry for help. He WANTS to be stopped :roll:
does that mean you think everyone is inherently left-wing?
No, I think that everyone is inherently ignorant. your proposal is useless. By George, he GOT IT! Give the man a round of applause!
*gives Neo Nuria a cookie*
They're all useless. And please note the title of this thread.