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To all United Nations delegates:

I am seeking approval for my UN resolution. You may find it by searching for the word

affirming

Thank you for your support in affirming a fundamental human right.

Its already been done. Same-sex marriage is permitted in all UN countries.

The way I figure, you can marry your pets for all I care.

Never!

Except this has already been passed before I could fight it.

The wierdest thing I tell ya. As a member of the UN, Carpage has to allow same-sex marriages. Those homosexuals must be pretty mean people, though. So far, everytime a man married a man or a woman a woman, one partner has flipped out and killed the other one. The killer is then subsequently tried and sentenced to death by the government.

Recognizing a trend and not being able to outlaw same sex marriages, Carpage has put them on hold indefinitely until funding is approved for an extensive study of why gays and lesbians are so violent.

One thing about Carpage... they always work within the UN rules.

Never!

Except this has already been passed before I could fight it.
That is so morally right.
It's sick.

Responding to Carpage: First of all it's WEIRD. Secondly, as far as people "flipping out" and killing their partners. Gee, I guess something like that NEVER, EVER happens in the straight world, huh?

Responding to Carpage: First of all it's WEIRD. Secondly, as far as people "flipping out" and killing their partners. Gee, I guess something like that NEVER, EVER happens in the straight world, huh?

He's just looking for a loophole so he doesn't have to allow same-sex marriage.

Yeah, yer U.N. rules say folks can go into "unproductive" marriages.

But there ain't nothin' there that says we has to make it EASY for 'em!

-Prez Billy Bob Hicklee

Who knows, maybe there is a man out there for him - i'm sure there must be one out there with my name written on it. and i know just where it will be written too :oops: :wink:

Bio - a bit off topic, but can you get into the CACE forum?

I can't get in either. :?

The wierdest thing I tell ya. As a member of the UN, Carpage has to allow same-sex marriages. Those homosexuals must be pretty mean people, though. So far, everytime a man married a man or a woman a woman, one partner has flipped out and killed the other one. The killer is then subsequently tried and sentenced to death by the government.

Recognizing a trend and not being able to outlaw same sex marriages, Carpage has put them on hold indefinitely until funding is approved for an extensive study of why gays and lesbians are so violent.

One thing about Carpage... they always work within the UN rules.

You're a very disturbed child....

But if you wanna roleplay that all your gays in your country are insane, fine by me, If you didn't like them you could have just as easily roleplayed that they spontaniously combusted.

I just don't see why you insist on wasting our time with it. :roll:

The wierdest thing I tell ya. As a member of the UN, Carpage has to allow same-sex marriages. Those homosexuals must be pretty mean people, though. So far, everytime a man married a man or a woman a woman, one partner has flipped out and killed the other one. The killer is then subsequently tried and sentenced to death by the government.

Recognizing a trend and not being able to outlaw same sex marriages, Carpage has put them on hold indefinitely until funding is approved for an extensive study of why gays and lesbians are so violent.

One thing about Carpage... they always work within the UN rules.

We have intelligence that you are hypnotizing your homosexual population.

The wierdest thing I tell ya. As a member of the UN, Carpage has to allow same-sex marriages. Those homosexuals must be pretty mean people, though. So far, everytime a man married a man or a woman a woman, one partner has flipped out and killed the other one. The killer is then subsequently tried and sentenced to death by the government.

Recognizing a trend and not being able to outlaw same sex marriages, Carpage has put them on hold indefinitely until funding is approved for an extensive study of why gays and lesbians are so violent.

One thing about Carpage... they always work within the UN rules.

Umm... off the record here, so we don't make any international accusations against the state of Carpage, but we'd like to suggest that neither hypnotism nor disturbed role-playing is involved in Carpage's crime... The most probable explanation is that the Carpagean government systematically assasinates homosexuals, and then blames their spouses for the crime, using a rigged criminal system to condemn thousands of men and women of crimes they are entirely innocent of so that they may be executed. Such a conspiracy would be rather simpler than hypnotizing the Carpagean population... it would also make the Carpagean government guilty of mass murder.

Office of the Governor

Yeah, yer U.N. rules say folks can go into "unproductive" marriages.

But there ain't nothin' there that says we has to make it EASY for 'em!

-Prez Billy Bob Hicklee

So, does this mean that marriages that consist of a man and a woman who decide not to have children in your view is also an "unproductive" marriage?

Has any one ever heard of getting married for love? :roll:

Peace,
Stephanie.

Same-sex marriages are disgusting and I hate it, but it's not a good thing to outlaw it because they may complain that they're being oppressed.

Yeah, yer U.N. rules say folks can go into "unproductive" marriages.

But there ain't nothin' there that says we has to make it EASY for 'em!

-Prez Billy Bob Hicklee

So, does this mean that marriages that consist of a man and a woman who decide not to have children in your view is also an "unproductive" marriage?

Has any one ever heard of getting married for love? :roll:

Peace,
Stephanie.

I have...but of course Goobergunchia legalized gay marriage even before joining the UN.

Same-sex marriages are disgusting and I hate it, but it's not a good thing to outlaw it because they may complain that they're being oppressed.

Care to tell me why it's disgusting, you hate it, and you would outlaw it if people didn't "complain"?

Never!

Except this has already been passed before I could fight it.
That is so morally right.
It's sick.

What's so "sick" about a couple where both partners are the same gender? I think the morals of not harming others, not stealing, and keeping this chunk o' dirt we call earth in one piece are more important than who should get to marry who, personally.

To: The Nutopian Dream

It is morally wrong and I hate it because of that. I just hate the idea of homosexuality (nothing against the people), but I wouldn't outlaw it because it is technically oppressing and it is their right to decide, not mine. Besides, how would people not complain?

I expect a friendly answer, not an angry one, as your past post has suggested.

To: The Nutopian Dream

It is morally wrong and I hate it because of that. I just hate the idea of homosexuality (nothing against the people), but I wouldn't outlaw it because it is technically oppressing and it is their right to decide, not mine. Besides, how would people not complain?

I expect a friendly answer, not an angry one, as your past post has suggested.

Many people hate the concept of eating meat and find it morally wrong, just because some people find it wrong and don't like it doesn't mean it's bad.

For the record, Carpage abides by all UN laws, even ones we don't agree with. It must just be a coincidence that our homosexuals are so violent. We have our special police force on top of it, however. We just do not wish to give the UN a bad name by allowing these crimes to continue. Thus, the investigation.

OOC: For those who guessed loophole... congratulations. And yes, it's RP. Deal with it.

If the actions of consenting adults do not have an adverse effect on others then why forbid it in law? Why do people or governments have to intrude in matters that concern individuals only and not society as a whole? Why are people intolerant those who are different?

Homosexuality is a vile, disgusting act and it is not tolerated in Isochronous. Since it never was from the start our population hasn't been contaminated by the disease, which originated from hippy airy fairy tree-hugging leftists and thus there is no problem in our country.

If the actions of consenting adults do not have an adverse effect on others then why forbid it in law? Why do people or governments have to intrude in matters that concern individuals only and not society as a whole? Why are people intolerant those who are different?

Carpage is not intolerant of the sick and demen... exscuse me... we are not intolerant of homosexuality. We are in full compliance with the UN laws. We merely have temporarily suspended gay marriages indefinitely until we find a way to stop their murderous acts.

Homosexuality is a vile, disgusting act and it is not tolerated in Isochronous. Since it never was from the start our population hasn't been contaminated by the disease, which originated from hippy airy fairy tree-hugging leftists and thus there is no problem in our country.

Actually - gay marrage is legal in your country. Read the UN FAQ.

I'm gay.

I enjoy fantasising about gay sex; I look at porn, have gay cyber and plan to loose my virginity soon to another male. And I have ALWAYS felt the way I do about my sexuality.

I have never felt there is something 'un-natural' about the way I am and I have never believed those who do. I'm deeply offended by anybody who imagines that I am a sexual 'deviant' a 'paedophile' or do no not have the right to raise a child with another man. One day I’m going to get married too - and there is nothing you can say to stop me.

I would like to here your arguments about why gay marriage is moral corrupt. In the end I’ve decided there are only three things that stop 90% of men from having gay relations [aka: sex]
] They’re afraid it will hurt. Grow up boys! Do you really imagine it feels any better for the preachers’ wife when she gets it done doggy style? Gay sex is more then ‘taking it like a man’ so to speak. It’s about being sensitive, gentle and experiencing an intimacy only men can have [besides the colon is a g-spot]
2] That they’ll be laughed at for being ‘less then adequate’ again – deal with it. It takes all sorts and if that ever happens to you then the person laughing isn’t worth your lovemaking.
3] That some one will find out. And this is probably the biggest – the social conditioning, the passive-aggressive sexual energy from home, their friends. Most men are afraid to experience their full sexuality because it will trap them as being a ‘poofter’.

*sorry this is a bit off topic but I just had to get it off my chest.

I'm gay.

I enjoy fantasising about gay sex; I look at porn, have gay cyber and plan to loose my virginity soon to another male. And I have ALWAYS felt the way I do about my sexuality.

I have never felt there is something 'un-natural' about the way I am and I have never believed those who do. I'm deeply offended by anybody who imagines that I am a sexual 'deviant' a 'paedophile' or do no not have the right to raise a child with another man. One day I’m going to get married too - and there is nothing you can say to stop me.

I would like to here your arguments about why gay marriage is moral corrupt. In the end I’ve decided there are only three things that stop 90% of men from having gay relations [aka: sex]
] They’re afraid it will hurt. Grow up boys! Do you really imagine it feels any better for the preachers’ wife when she gets it done doggy style? Gay sex is more then ‘taking it like a man’ so to speak. It’s about being sensitive, gentle and experiencing an intimacy only men can have [besides the colon is a g-spot]
2] That they’ll be laughed at for being ‘less then adequate’ again – deal with it. It takes all sorts and if that ever happens to you then the person laughing isn’t worth your lovemaking.
3] That some one will find out. And this is probably the biggest – the social conditioning, the passive-aggressive sexual energy from home, their friends. Most men are afraid to experience their full sexuality because it will trap them as being a ‘poofter’.

*sorry this is a bit off topic but I just had to get it off my chest.
Eew!

And Wolfish, I defy that pathetic law. The UN is an organisation of airy fairies, by airy fairies for airy fairies.

I'm gay.

I enjoy fantasising about gay sex; I look at porn, have gay cyber and plan to loose my virginity soon to another male. And I have ALWAYS felt the way I do about my sexuality.

I have never felt there is something 'un-natural' about the way I am and I have never believed those who do. I'm deeply offended by anybody who imagines that I am a sexual 'deviant' a 'paedophile' or do no not have the right to raise a child with another man. One day I’m going to get married too - and there is nothing you can say to stop me.

I would like to here your arguments about why gay marriage is moral corrupt. In the end I’ve decided there are only three things that stop 90% of men from having gay relations [aka: sex]
] They’re afraid it will hurt. Grow up boys! Do you really imagine it feels any better for the preachers’ wife when she gets it done doggy style? Gay sex is more then ‘taking it like a man’ so to speak. It’s about being sensitive, gentle and experiencing an intimacy only men can have [besides the colon is a g-spot]
2] That they’ll be laughed at for being ‘less then adequate’ again – deal with it. It takes all sorts and if that ever happens to you then the person laughing isn’t worth your lovemaking.
3] That some one will find out. And this is probably the biggest – the social conditioning, the passive-aggressive sexual energy from home, their friends. Most men are afraid to experience their full sexuality because it will trap them as being a ‘poofter’.

*sorry this is a bit off topic but I just had to get it off my chest.
Eew!

And Wolfish, I defy that pathetic law. The UN is an organisation of airy fairies, by airy fairies for airy fairies.

In that case you are in violation of the UN Charter [ooc: the FAQ]. I will be contacting the President directly to decide on an appropriate course of action.

Lord Evif, Goobergunchian UN Ambassador
DU Regional Delegate

Carpage is not intolerant of the sick and demen... exscuse me... we are not intolerant of homosexuality. We are in full compliance with the UN laws. We merely have temporarily suspended gay marriages indefinitely until we find a way to stop their murderous acts.

How can you indefinitaly suspend something temporarily??

The state of Zoglet101 dosn't mind if there are homosexual marrages. In fact a law was past in Zoglet101 that homosexuals could could marry and even marry there pets if they so pleased. I might add that this was before Zoglet101 joinded the UN.

Hih. :) And how much this discussion relates to real life. This is exactly the discussion a lot of people in my country had when the government was thinking of allowing same-sex marriages. Lots of homophobic people talked of how "unethical" and "sick" it would be, and some stupid fundamentalists even crawled around the parliament house in a prayer to God so He would make the parliament vote against the resolution.

Looks like God didn't agree with his worshippers. The resolution passed, and now a friend of mine is happily married to a same-sex partner.

Hih. :) And how much this discussion relates to real life. This is exactly the discussion a lot of people in my country had when the government was thinking of allowing same-sex marriages. Lots of homophobic people talked of how "unethical" and "sick" it would be, and some stupid fundamentalists even crawled around the parliament house in a prayer to God so He would make the parliament vote against the resolution.

Looks like God didn't agree with his worshippers. The resolution passed, and now a friend of mine is happily married to a same-sex partner.
Hell yes!

Catholic Europe does not agree with the concept of 'same sex marriages'. We believe that marriage means a union, before the eyes of God, between a man and a woman.

On this respect, Catholic Europe rejects all proposals that try to bring about same sex marriages. However, Catholic Europe is open to the discussion of unions between homosexual couples and the creation, in the eyes of the law, of 'partnerships' between two people of the same sex.

Its already been done. Same-sex marriage is permitted in all UN countries.

Thank God i didnt join the UN. Im not opposed to homosexuals being permitted to have 'Civil Unions', however I am opposed to homosexuals making a travesty of the institution of Marriage. This is just another reason why I'll never join the UN.

"Catholic Europe does not agree with the concept of 'same sex marriages'. We believe that marriage means a union, before the eyes of God, between a man and a woman."

And whom are you to say what God does and doesn't see?
If you beleave that there is a difference between the marrage of a man and a woman or a man and a man or a woman and a woman then it demonstrates you do not beleave marrage is about uniting two people in love. That is what marrage is supposed to be about, right? - love. If you think having kinky butt sex destroys what marrage is then just what was Jesus talking about when he mentioned the importance of love?

Craznovia: "Im not opposed to homosexuals being permitted to have 'Civil Unions', however I am opposed to homosexuals making a travesty of the institution of Marriage"

How can a marrage of love be a travesty? So im guessing that you must background every marrage that occurs then? To make sure it's not a marrage for money, convience, forced. That the marrrage doesn't become one of abuse, that marrital rape doesn't occur. somehow i doubt you do, to ensure that the 'institution of marrage' isn't violated. Which is what happens everytime poeple marry outside of love.

Homosexuality is a vile, disgusting act and it is not tolerated in Isochronous. Since it never was from the start our population hasn't been contaminated by the disease, which originated from hippy airy fairy tree-hugging leftists and thus there is no problem in our country.
More vile and disgusting is bigotry executed in such manners.

"Catholic Europe does not agree with the concept of 'same sex marriages'. We believe that marriage means a union, before the eyes of God, between a man and a woman."

And whom are you to say what God does and doesn't see?
If you beleave that there is a difference between the marrage of a man and a woman or a man and a man or a woman and a woman then it demonstrates you do not beleave marrage is about uniting two people in love. That is what marrage is supposed to be about, right? - love. If you think having kinky butt sex destroys what marrage is then just what was Jesus talking about when he mentioned the importance of love?

I don't know what God does and doesn't see - but I believe that God sees everything.

I never said anything about kinky butt sex destroying what marriage is/means. I said, in my post, that unions can be established between homosexual couples, that are seen as valid in the eyes of the law. What I do not think is possible is for the word marriage to be used when 'unionising' a gay couple. Marriage means, to me, union between a man and a woman . This is the only problem that I have with resolutions like this.

Well I mentioned the kinky butt sex because that’s about the only difference between a married gay and a married strait couple.
I don’t understand we homosexuals have to be excluded and involved only in 'unions'. Why does marriage have to apply exclusively to a union only between a man and a woman? Maybe you don't have problem with gays but that kind of thinking still acts to exclude and isolate gays.

Well I mentioned the kinky butt sex because that’s about the only difference between a married gay and a married strait couple.
I don’t understand we homosexuals have to be excluded and involved only in 'unions'. Why does marriage have to apply exclusively to a union only between a man and a woman? Maybe you don't have problem with gays but that kind of thinking still acts to exclude and isolate gays.

The problem here is not the exclusion and isolation of gay couples but the use of the word marriage (and union). I'm sorry if I believe the word marriage to mean a union between a man and a woman, but that is the word that has been used a long time, and that is what it means.

I am willing to accept gay couples having the same rights as hetro couples, you should be thankful that I'm not a traditional Catholic (although on some issues I am extremely traditional). I will never accpet the use of the word marriage for a gay couple but I would accpet gay couples with the same rights, privelages etc as a hetro couple. If that isn't good enough for you then I don't know what is.

So, does this mean that marriages that consist of a man and a woman who decide not to have children in your view is also an "unproductive" marriage?

Well, yeah, I reckon so.

Guess we'll have to start checkin folks to make sure they's not barren or don't has a narrow urethra or somethin' before allowin' 'em to get hitched.

Yup! Thank ya kindly fer pointin' that out, ma'am!

-Prez Billy Bob Hicklee (what's this thing called "love"?)

Dear Catholic Europe

Of cause i am happy that i have a rational and intelligent person to debate against and that your only issue on gay rights seems to be the technical term of the use of the word 'marrage'. However i'm disturbed by what you meant in "you should be thankful". Who you are is not my responcibility.

anyway if your argument is that marrage is an old word, then i would say that the argument is rather devoid of strong negatives to including 'marrage' as the act of nion between gays. If we didn't adapt our language for new circumstances we would still be speaking in cae grunts and yelps.

Hmm should i botehr bringing up the issue of gay adoption and the gay afterlife with you?

Homosexuality is a vile, disgusting act and it is not tolerated in Isochronous. Since it never was from the start our population hasn't been contaminated by the disease, which originated from hippy airy fairy tree-hugging leftists and thus there is no problem in our country.

What disease? Homosexuality is a disease? And what on Earth is a "hippy airy fairy tree-hugging leftist"? Is it a lyric from a song, like "itsy bitsy teeny weeny yellow polka-dot bikini"?

And Wolfish, if s/he's RPing that there are no gays in his nation (hehe, well, that s/he doesn't know about :wink: ), then it gay marriage would still be legal, but inconsequential

Thank God i didnt join the UN. Im not opposed to homosexuals being permitted to have 'Civil Unions', however I am opposed to homosexuals making a travesty of the institution of Marriage. This is just another reason why I'll never join the UN.

Travesty (def.) - An exaggerated or grotesque imitation. A debased or grotesque likeness.

Gay marriage is the same as straight marriage, therefore it wouldn't be an imitation. A civil union would me, I'd presume.

Dear Catholic Europe

Of cause i am happy that i have a rational and intelligent person to debate against and that your only issue on gay rights seems to be the technical term of the use of the word 'marrage'. However i'm disturbed by what you meant in "you should be thankful". Who you are is not my responcibility.

anyway if your argument is that marrage is an old word, then i would say that the argument is rather devoid of strong negatives to including 'marrage' as the act of nion between gays. If we didn't adapt our language for new circumstances we would still be speaking in cae grunts and yelps.

Hmm should i botehr bringing up the issue of gay adoption and the gay afterlife with you?

1) What I meant by 'you should be thankful', is that you're lucky I'm not a Catholic who totally persecutes gays.

2) I still think that the word marriage is not the right word to use and will keep this opinion.

3) Gay adoption - no, except for when a person has left a house because of their sexuality, i.e: they are gay (this is perhaps a more traditional Catholic view).

4) Of course gays go to heaven, and hell. They have souls and are human beings and so they too 'experience' these things liek all other human beings, at least in my opinion.

What is marriage? Why do two homosexuals have to get married to know they love each other? Why cant they just live together indefinately? Here is the problem with homosexual marriage:

The state grants a man and a woman marriage status, recognizing the union as a legal unit. The state also gives married couples certain benefits. Now, Government is interested in promoting marriage for two reasons: -security of person and property in the present
-survival in future = procreation and education

In other words, government is interested in marriage because marriage provides a stable environment for a child to be, first of all born, but secondly educated to become a responsible citizen.

Now, if marriage status is granted to homosexuals they would recieve all of these benefits that hetero couples do, but they would not be fulfilling the same purpose.

I dont think homosexuality should be banned, but marriage serves a particular purpose, and is, by definition, the union of a man and a woman.

So, if you want, come up with a new term like Bonding, and have the homosexuals get Bonded. It will amount to the same thing. But homosexual couples should not recieve the same benefits as hetero couples do because then that is discrimination against heterosexuals.

Here is how: Assume, you have a hetero married couple, you have a homo couple, and you have two guys that live together but are not gay.

If the homo couple get married, they recieve special benefits from the state, but the two straight guys don't. They live their lives in the same way. Even if the gays adopt, if the 2 guy friends adopted they wouldnt recieve the same benefits.

Lastly: I dont see how you can say parents gender doesnt matter. Wouldnt you agree that, in gerenal, having one father and one mother provides a child with the best environment? That way they learn to associate and relate with members of both genders.

What is marriage? Why do two homosexuals have to get married to know they love each other? Why cant they just live together indefinitely?

- Because they do not receive the same rights as hetero couples do and cannot even receive the same amount of rights family members or such. This has all sorts of nasty problems such as when a loved one becomes sick or dies their ‘partner’ can be stopped from receiving anything in the will, or having a say over what happens to the person in hospital. Also legal issues for gays who adopt occur. Why do strait people need to get married to show they love each other?

The state grants a man and a woman marriage status, recognizing the union as a legal unit. The state also gives married couples certain benefits. Now, Government is interested in promoting marriage for two reasons: -security of person and property in the present
-Survival in future = procreation and education

- And what the heck do you think IVF is? Gays are not murderous communists. Gay marriage provides both those things and more so then ‘indefinitely living together’ would.

In other words, government is interested in marriage because marriage provides a stable environment for a child to be, first of all born, but secondly educated to become a responsible citizen.

- Strait parental relationships are just as abusive as any gay one could be.

Now, if marriage status is granted to homosexuals they would receive all of these benefits that hetero couples do, but they would not be fulfilling the same purpose.

- so gay people who are married and raise a well balanced, educated child are still not the same as a strait couple who raise a well balanced, educated child.

So, if you want, come up with a new term like Bonding, and have the homosexuals get Bonded. It will amount to the same thing. But homosexual couples should not receive the same benefits as hetero couples do because then that is discrimination against heterosexuals.

- Umm… How the heck did you work that one out? Stop trying to exclude gays from getting married. A Wife in strait marriage and a husband in a gay one both suck on cock, both of the couples can be parents and a child in a same-sex family would be more likely to be exposed to a well balanced life then that in a strait one.

If the homo couple get married, they receive special benefits from the state, but the two straight guys don't. They live their lives in the same way. Even if the gays adopt, if the 2 guy friends adopted they wouldn’t receive the same benefits.

-No, of cause not. [2 strait guys] Why should they? They are raising their children separately. There is nothing stopping them from living apart and rasing their kids in different countries if they wanted. But if two men or women are married they are covered by such laws.

Lastly: I don’t see how you can say parent’s gender doesn’t matter. Wouldn’t you agree that, in general, having one father and one mother provides a child with the best environment? That way they learn to associate and relate with members of both genders.

- Only if the kid lives the first 21 years of their life locked in their room with only exposure to their mother and father.

For the record, Carpage abides by all UN laws, even ones we don't agree with. It must just be a coincidence that our homosexuals are so violent. We have our special police force on top of it, however. We just do not wish to give the UN a bad name by allowing these crimes to continue. Thus, the investigation.

OOC: For those who guessed loophole... congratulations. And yes, it's RP. Deal with it.

First of all, why do you keep talking?

Second, it's not a loophole or RP, it's just basic godmoding. If you wanna be a crappy RPer though, be my guest. Somehow (judging from your personality) I doubt you get too many RP wars anyways.

Just don't go around bragging about how much of a genius you are for finding a loophole, it's incredibly annoying.

And Wolfish, I defy that pathetic law. The UN is an organisation of airy fairies, by airy fairies for airy fairies.

Ha ha, your funny...

You can defy that law all you want, but you still have to obey it, you don't have a choice. Unless you develope a way to change the programming of the game to stop the UN's magic law changing rays then your screwed, too bad eh?

Thank God i didnt join the UN. Im not opposed to homosexuals being permitted to have 'Civil Unions', however I am opposed to homosexuals making a travesty of the institution of Marriage. This is just another reason why I'll never join the UN.

Travesty (def.) - An exaggerated or grotesque imitation. A debased or grotesque likeness.

Gay marriage is the same as straight marriage, therefore it wouldn't be an imitation. A civil union would me, I'd presume.

Not everyone believes that an Gay Marriage is the same as a Straight Marriage - Im one of those people. I feel that Gay Marriage is a grotesque debased imitation of an Marriage. Thats why in Craznovia there are Civil Unions, and Marriages.

Marriage should be abolished as a legal institution.

Biotopia is out of charactor! Woops, so am I. Actually, I really don't mind if homosexuals want to be homosexual.

If ya want to call it something other than marriage, go ahead. I don't care. Just as long as this "something else" works the EXACT same way as marriage.

As for me, I will continue to call it marriage, and so will other people. If you want to call it something different, you can go ahead and do so, but it will not change what many believe it is. And that is marriage.

And whoever said homosexual marriage was made up by "hippie fairies," you are wrong. Homosexuals are only generally liberal because only liberals support homosexual marriage. Not vice-versa. It is not that some liberals are homosexual because they are liberal. It is THE OTHER WAY! In fact, I'm sure some homosexuals are conservative in most subjects, just like some heterosexuals are.

I am a liberal, and yet I do not care for abortion. I am even agnostic, and yet somehow killing babies that are already concieved seems wrong. In the same way, somebody coud be conservative, and support homosexual marriage, and even be a homosexual themself.

Don't automatically assume all homosexuals are left-wing hippies. In my opinion, the only reason more are liberal is because more liberals support homosexual marriage. If it was not an issue, I would guess that homosexuals would be divided on the political spectrum just like other heterosexuals.

<( .'. )>

I am a liberal, and yet I do not care for abortion. I am even agnostic, and yet somehow killing babies that are already concieved seems wrong. In the same way, somebody coud be conservative, and support homosexual marriage, and even be a homosexual themself

I thought I was the only liberal who didn't like abortion.

If ya want to call it something other than marriage, go ahead. I don't care. Just as long as this "something else" works the EXACT same way as marriage.

I dont recognize Homosexual Marriage. I do not believe that Homosexual Civil Unions and Heterosexual Marriages should work in exactly the same way. They are not the same thing, and they should not work in exactly the same way. I support the decision that the US-INS made in denying entry to the couple from Canada. Your nation may recognize it, mine dosent (and wont).

Personaly, I think marriage is a declaration of love, therefor you should be allowed to marry any living creature that you feel so inclined to marry. As long as you both love eachother, I see nothing wrong with this. :shock: *Quickly hides while being chased by angry mob*

If ya want to call it something other than marriage, go ahead. I don't care. Just as long as this "something else" works the EXACT same way as marriage.

I dont recognize Homosexual Marriage. I do not believe that Homosexual Civil Unions and Heterosexual Marriages should work in exactly the same way. They are not the same thing, and they should not work in exactly the same way. I support the decision that the US-INS made in denying entry to the couple from Canada. Your nation may recognize it, mine dosent (and wont).

I think people shouldn't be looked at any different just because of there sexual preference, we are all humans here people. Just because some people may not be used to gay marriages, that's no reason not to allow them to have it, if they both love eachother, I see nothing wrong with that. Its basically prejudiced, If we any respect for one another we wouldn't make decisoons such as that not allowing to people of the same sex to get married.

So, does this mean that marriages that consist of a man and a woman who decide not to have children in your view is also an "unproductive" marriage?

Well, yeah, I reckon so.

Guess we'll have to start checkin folks to make sure they's not barren or don't has a narrow urethra or somethin' before allowin' 'em to get hitched.

Yup! Thank ya kindly fer pointin' that out, ma'am!

-Prez Billy Bob Hicklee (what's this thing called "love"?)

Please now, you don't have to have sex in order to be married. Unless of course you can't love someone if they don't have sex with you, then you might not want to get married.

As far as same sex marraiges go, I don't see why you people (I'm not talking to all of you) have a problem with them. It's their life, let them do what they want with it. Marry whoever you want yourself and keep out of their personal lives.

Thank God i didnt join the UN. Im not opposed to homosexuals being permitted to have 'Civil Unions', however I am opposed to homosexuals making a travesty of the institution of Marriage. This is just another reason why I'll never join the UN.

Travesty (def.) - An exaggerated or grotesque imitation. A debased or grotesque likeness.

Gay marriage is the same as straight marriage, therefore it wouldn't be an imitation. A civil union would be, I'd presume. (italics indicate correction)

Not everyone believes that an Gay Marriage is the same as a Straight Marriage - Im one of those people. I feel that Gay Marriage is a grotesque debased imitation of an Marriage. Thats why in Craznovia there are Civil Unions, and Marriages.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant that because they are both called marriage, the legal differences between a gay marriage and a straight marriage don't exist. However, by calling it a civil union, it would inherently be different. Does that make sense, or am I rambling?

This discussion makes me sick.

This is not flame-bait, but rather a tool to help open closed minds

When discussing gay rights - take out the word "gay" and replace it with "black" and see if you still feel the same way.

Example

ALL CAPS ARE EDITS BY WOLFISH
The problem here is not the exclusion and isolation of BLACK couples but the use of the word marriage (and union). I'm sorry if I believe the word marriage to mean a union between WHITE PEOPLE but that is the word that has been used a long time, and that is what it means.

I am willing to accept BLACK couples having the same rights as WHITE couples, you should be thankful that I'm not a traditional Catholic (although on some issues I am extremely traditional). I will never accpet the use of the word marriage for a BLACK couple but I would accept BLACK couples with the same rights, privelages etc as a WHITE couple. If that isn't good enough for you then I don't know what is.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. I meant that because they are both called marriage, the legal differences between a gay marriage and a straight marriage don't exist. However, by calling it a civil union, it would inherently be different. Does that make sense, or am I rambling?

You're not rambling. By permitting same-sex couples to form a "civil union" and permitting straight couples to "marry", there is still discrimination present.

Marriage MUST be extended to all couples, regardless of gender and sexual orientation. How can we, as a human race, call ourselves "for equality" when we still discriminate against particular groups? We've extended the vote to women, visible minories (in most societies anyway); in many countries there are clauses in Constitutions forbidding discrimination. And yet, this obvious, rampant form of discrimination - impeding the ability of homosexual couples to do something as simple as officially express their life-long committment to each other - is unbelievable.

Marriage is, in my interpretation, the symbolic joining of two people in a ceremony that expresses their love for each other, and the hope that they spend their lives bound together, for richer or for poorer, in sickness and in health, till death do they part. Moreover, this ceremony gives the couple certain rights, which are recognized at all levels of government. Anyone who claims that a homosexual couple should be denied the right to express themselves in the same fashion as heterosexual couples, simply because they are a homosexual couple, is being discriminatory, PERIOD. There is no end run around it.

For those who favor a "civil union" or some other such nonsense, three words describe your approach - "separate but equal." Ring a bell?

And, lastly, for those who feel that homosexual marriage would be some sort of "travesty" for the institution of marriage, I suggest you get off your high horse. The second half of the twentieth century has pretty much made a mockery of the institution of marriage without the help of homosexuals.

The position of the Protectorate of Grotia is...

Whatever gets you through the night.

Ich Dien!!!

Sticky Wicket
Minister of Sexuality, the Sport of Cricket and Industrial Waste

First of all, why do you keep talking?

Second, it's not a loophole or RP, it's just basic godmoding. If you wanna be a crappy RPer though, be my guest. Somehow (judging from your personality) I doubt you get too many RP wars anyways.

Just don't go around bragging about how much of a genius you are for finding a loophole, it's incredibly annoying.

OOC:
I keep talking because nothing is stopping me from doing so and I have something to say. Furthermore, you are an arrogant ass.

And for any mods who may see this, don't expect a better reply than the one I gave when Tisonica jumps on his soapbox and that kind of horse shit spews from his mouth.

It seems like you disagree with someone on these forums, even through RP and the pricks who live here 24/7 get a burr up their butt and go mental. Take some ritalin and calm the hell down. If you can't RP, go to the General forum.

First of all, why do you keep talking?

Second, it's not a loophole or RP, it's just basic godmoding. If you wanna be a crappy RPer though, be my guest. Somehow (judging from your personality) I doubt you get too many RP wars anyways.

Just don't go around bragging about how much of a genius you are for finding a loophole, it's incredibly annoying.

OOC:
I keep talking because nothing is stopping me from doing so and I have something to say. Furthermore, you are an arrogant ass.

So, you keep talking cause you can. And you already said what you had to say, now you are just repeating it, and being annoying in doing so.

And for any mods who may see this, don't expect a better reply than the one I gave when Tisonica jumps on his soapbox and that kind of horse shit spews from his mouth.

So you are going to call all the mods arrogant asses? What a brilliant plan you have there...

It seems like you disagree with someone on these forums, even through RP and the pricks who live here 24/7 get a burr up their butt and go mental. Take some ritalin and calm the hell down. If you can't RP, go to the General forum.

What the hell did you just say? I'm sorry, I don't have a nonsensical rant decoder, so could you try and think out your words before you reply again? All I could make sense of was the last part, which is extremely ironic. I can't RP when you are claiming every homosexual in your nation kills thier spouse, that makes as much sense as a country saying every person in thier country recycles, is nice to eachother, donates any extra money they have to charity, and joins the army.

I can't RP ...

You said it best. You can't RP.

If the homo couple get married, they recieve special benefits from the state, but the two straight guys don't. They live their lives in the same way. Even if the gays adopt, if the 2 guy friends adopted they wouldnt recieve the same benefits.

Lastly: I dont see how you can say parents gender doesnt matter. Wouldnt you agree that, in gerenal, having one father and one mother provides a child with the best environment? That way they learn to associate and relate with members of both genders.

Well, for one I think marriage is a lot of rubbish and '''domestic partnership'' whether consummate or not is the only real societal unit. It can also be more than two individuals. However in the majority of cases it really is a couple...

And no, your mother doesn't represent all females and your dad hardly represents all males. In fact it is rather limiting to the child and if family is school, more than one aprent would teach them not only about males and females but also about human relations.

It's also my fervent belief that a bad family can screw a child up like nothing else. Not to mention the fact that statistically your parents are the most dangerous people to have around you until you're grown up, where your spouse takes their place.

I say abolishing marriage altogether is better than having to redefine it all the time.

For the record, Carpage abides by all UN laws, even ones we don't agree with. It must just be a coincidence that our homosexuals are so violent. We have our special police force on top of it, however. We just do not wish to give the UN a bad name by allowing these crimes to continue. Thus, the investigation.

OOC: For those who guessed loophole... congratulations. And yes, it's RP. Deal with it.

Our special investigative agency has uncovered files detailing the directions for Carpage government agents to stage gay spousal murders...We are outraged and will summarily write a report to the UN. The depths of depravity the country has sank to cannot be further tolerated. The perpetrators of the hateful propaganda and the staged murders must be imprisoned and gay marraiges legalised again if Carpage wishes to avoid being sanctioned.

How's that for RP?

Never!

Except this has already been passed before I could fight it.
That is so morally right.
It's sick.

Why is thi so sickening? Humans have developed beyond the 'animal' state as they proudly state; well then only 'animals' mate with the opposite genger, and that too only for the cintinuation of their species. A beaver doesn't give, what his 'mate' thinks about redecorating their dam!
If someone has found someone else that they like to be with, whether it be the same gender or not, what they do is nobody's problem but their own. The homosexual down the street doesn't come and check your life every week!

For the record, Carpage abides by all UN laws, even ones we don't agree with. It must just be a coincidence that our homosexuals are so violent. We have our special police force on top of it, however. We just do not wish to give the UN a bad name by allowing these crimes to continue. Thus, the investigation.

OOC: For those who guessed loophole... congratulations. And yes, it's RP. Deal with it.

Our special investigative agency has uncovered files detailing the directions for Carpage government agents to stage gay spousal murders...We are outraged and will summarily write a report to the UN. The depths of depravity the country has sank to cannot be further tolerated. The perpetrators of the hateful propaganda and the staged murders must be imprisoned and gay marraiges legalised again if Carpage wishes to avoid being sanctioned.

How's that for RP?

Not for anything, but that strikes me as a godmod. Now if you want to have the UN investigate Carpage, then that's fine. Begin the process.

Not for anything, but that strikes me as a godmod. Now if you want to have the UN investigate Carpage, then that's fine. Begin the process.

Nah, don't feel like. Just making a point.

OOC: What point? I'm serious dude... if you'd like to launch an investigation I'm all for it, but to jump OOC and blather on about the outrage of it like Tisonica is a bit ridiculous. I actually like the idea of an investigation. I like it so much I'm going to RP that we are being investigated.

OOC: What point? I'm serious dude... if you'd like to launch an investigation I'm all for it, but to jump OOC and blather on about the outrage of it like Tisonica is a bit ridiculous. I actually like the idea of an investigation. I like it so much I'm going to RP that we are being investigated.

To jump in and start saying nonsense and then say it's RP is equally ridiculous. But have fun and investigate. You're guilty btw.

I can't RP ...

You said it best. You can't RP.

Oh my, your so hysterical. My sides are bursting with laughter, your ignoring my italics and posting as if I was stating that as a fact is simply hilarious. :roll:

Very good point, wolfish